人民圣殿教909名信徒集体自杀现场，圭亚那琼斯镇，1978年
1978年，圭亚那琼斯镇，吉姆·琼斯（Jim Jones）领导的“人民圣殿教”909名信徒集体自杀及他杀惨案。(960x960)
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Handguns4Hearts3,575 赞2022/6/17
琼斯那个狗杂种连自己的鸡尾酒都没喝上，就得脑袋挨枪子儿。
ScrewAttackThis2,117 赞2022/6/17
Have you heard the audio recordings? People were dying in complete agony. So sad what happened to them.
你听过那些录音了吗？人们死的时候简直痛苦到了极点。他们遭遇的一切太让人难过了。
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Fantastic-Ad85221,150 赞2022/6/17
Yeah, I'm trying to die without hearing that shit.
是啊，我可不想在死之前听到那堆烂事儿。
siouxze184 赞2022/6/17
It's just a lot of kids crying...then not so many.
那里面就是一堆小孩子在哭……然后哭声就变少了。
Speedy_Mamales555 赞2022/6/17
I saw a lot of gore in the internet back in the day, but those audio tapes are actually more haunting than that. Keep strong and away for your mental health.
我以前在网上看过不少血腥视频，但那些录音带反而比那些玩意儿更让人毛骨悚然。大家撑住，为了心理健康还是离这些东西远点儿吧。
ReallyBadRedditName275 赞2022/6/17
Audio stuff really gets me. Idk man if you’re on the internet long enough eventually you’re gonna see some messed up shit even when you don’t want too, so I think I’ve gotten used to that, but the audio stuff is chilling.
音频类的内容真的让我受不了。我也不知道咋说，反正只要你在网上泡得够久，迟早会撞见些烂七八糟的破事儿，哪怕你根本不想看，所以我对那些视觉冲击倒是习惯了，但音频这块儿是真的让人脊背发凉。
ZeePirate154 赞2022/6/17
Your brain comes up with the worst possible scenario of an image. Basically a photo or video leaves nothing to the imagination. Audio though….
大脑会自动脑补出画面中最糟糕的恐怖场景。
毕竟照片或视频已经把一切摊开，没留下什么想象空间了。
但音频嘛……
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Because listening to it, it's like you're there amongst the chaos with your eyes closed.
因为听着这些声音，感觉就像你闭着眼亲临那场混乱之中一样。
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ReallyBadRedditName19 赞2022/6/17
Yeah that seems like a really shitty thing to expose a kid to
没错，让孩子暴露在这种环境下简直烂透了。
CornOnTheKnob562 赞2022/6/17
I'm still haunted by the sound of a little girl crying saying "I don't feel so good" probably to her parent. It made me want to cry.
那个小女孩哭着说“我感觉不太好”的声音一直在我脑海里挥之不去，她当时应该是在对她父母说。这让我听着都想哭。
hooklove-blue30 赞2022/6/18
That and the first mother wailing when her baby died haunts me.
还有那个母亲在孩子死时哀嚎的样子，一直在我脑海里挥之不去。
SomeKindOfOnionMummy144 赞2022/6/17
They killed the children first, because then the parents wouldn't have any reason to live
他们先杀了孩子，因为这样父母也就没啥活头了。
Francoberry99 赞2022/6/17
Well, also because if all the adults did it first then there'd just be a load of kids not knowing what to do.. Im sure what you said factored into it, but it sounds like a (disgusting) practicality more than specifically for leverage.
嗯，其实也是因为如果先杀光大人，那剩下的一堆孩子就会不知所措了……
我确定你说的那个因素也有影响，但听起来这更像是一种（令人作呕的）实用主义考虑，而不完全是为了胁迫。
ARM_vs_CORE110 赞2022/6/17
Yep, listened to it once on a podcast and got so viscerally angry and distraught by the sounds of the children that I had to pull over and regain my composure. 0/10, do not recommend.
没错，我在播客里听过一次，那些孩子的声音让我本能地感到极其愤怒和痛苦，我不得不把车靠边停下，平复一下心情。0/10，完全不推荐。
petty_cash324 赞2022/6/17
Damn - were they in agony from the the poison they drank? I never even thought that it must’ve been a painful way to die until now…
操——他们当时是因为喝下毒药而痛不欲生吗？我之前甚至从没想过那竟然会是一种极其痛苦的死法……
ScrewAttackThis390 赞2022/6/17
> During this time, aides prepared a large metal tub with grape Flavor Aid, poisoned with diphenhydramine, promethazine, chlorpromazine, chloroquine, chloral hydrate, valium, and cyanide. That's from the wiki. Not a fun mix of things to put into your body and it was supposedly far from instant. Some other quotes: > The poison caused death within five minutes for children, less for babies, and an estimated 20–30 minutes for adults. And here's something Jones said > I tell you, I don't care how many screams you hear, I don't care how many anguished cries ... death is a million times preferable to 10 more days of this life. If you knew what was ahead of you—if you knew what was ahead of you, you'd be glad to be stepping over tonight.
> 在此期间，助手们准备了一个巨大的金属桶，里面装满了掺入苯海拉明、异丙嗪、氯丙嗪、氯喹、水合氯醛、安定和氰化物的葡萄味“风味助剂”（Flavor Aid）。
这是维基上的内容。这玩意儿喝下去可不是什么好受的组合，而且据说死的过程一点都不快。
还有一些其他的引述：
> 毒药在五分钟内夺去了孩子们的生命，婴儿死得更快，而成年人的死亡时间估计在20到30分钟。
还有一段琼斯（琼斯镇事件主谋）说过的话：
> 我告诉你们，我不在乎你们听到了多少尖叫，我不在乎多少痛苦的哀号……死亡比在这世上再活10天要好上一百万倍。如果你们知道前面等待着你们的是什么——如果你们知道前面等待着你们的是什么，你们会为今晚能解脱而感到庆幸。
LikelyHentai294 赞2022/6/17
Something I can't get out of my mind is the children screaming and crying and that bitch on the recording saying "they're not crying from pain, it's just a little bitter tasting". It's a terrible way to die and not at all painless.
有件事我一直忘不掉，就是那些孩子们尖叫哭喊的声音，还有录音里那个臭婊子说：“他们不是因为疼才哭，只是这玩意儿有点苦。”这死法太惨了，根本一点都不无痛。
Beingabummer101 赞2022/6/17
If you wonder why cults are bad.
如果你想知道为什么邪教是垃圾。
King-Cobra-66822 赞2022/6/18
I was not wondering why they are bad
我可没在琢磨它们为什么是垃圾。
Bach-Bach93 赞2022/6/17
Jesus, that last quote is terrifying.
天哪，最后那段引语简直太恐怖了。
camdoodlebop77 赞2022/6/17
the ultimate narcissistic sociopath. he was done living so that meant hundreds of others had to die too
典型的自恋型反社会人格。他自己不想活了，就意味着成百上千的无辜者也得跟着陪葬。
whateverathrowaway00134 赞2022/6/17
https://jonestown.sdsu.edu Contains preserved and typed up records of the voices of the victims of Jonestown.
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WaluigisUnkemptBush120 赞2022/6/17
That shows just how fucked he was......mf switched to CHARLES MANSON instead goddamn lmao
这足以说明他当时是有多崩坏了……他妈的竟然转而去崇拜查尔斯·曼森，真是见鬼了，笑死我了。
cr0ss-r0ad48 赞2022/6/17
If switching to Charles Manson is the more palatable option, you fuckn know Jim Jones was one nasty piece of work
如果说转而去崇拜查尔斯·曼森都已经算是“更好接受”的选择，那你他妈的就该知道吉姆·琼斯这家伙到底有多恶心、多变态了。
gmos90515 赞2022/6/17
I would recommend a book called Chaos by Tom O'Neill about the Manson murders if you're still interested in that subject. It is one of the most riveting takes on the subject I've ever heard.
如果你对这个话题还感兴趣的话，我推荐你看一本叫《混沌》（Chaos）的书，作者是汤姆·奥尼尔（Tom O'Neill），讲的是曼森谋杀案。这是我听过的关于这个主题最引人入胜的解读之一。
MrSaturdayRight540 赞2022/6/17
Yeah it’s not just like you drink it and drop dead. It suffocates you I think. They mixed it with a bunch of tranquilizers to take the edge off but they got the mix wrong and people didn’t lose consciousness as quickly as they expected them to. Also many people were possibly forcibly injected. They don’t know for sure because they let the bodies sit in the jungle heat for days before repatriating them to the US. And I don’t think they even ID’d all the bodies.
对，这玩意儿也不是说你喝下去就立马暴毙。我觉得它是让人窒息而死。他们往里掺了一堆镇静剂想缓冲一下，结果剂量没配对，导致这些人失去意识的速度比预想的慢。
还有，很多人可能都是被强行注射的。具体情况谁也说不准，因为在把尸体运回美国之前，他们让尸体在丛林的酷热里暴晒了好几天。而且我觉得他们甚至都没把所有尸体的身份确认清楚。
IHateTheLetterF467 赞2022/6/17
This wasnt as much mass suicide as people think. You either drank the koolaid or you got shot. Some people managed to escape, but they were basically prisoners there. It was deep in the jungle.
这事儿根本没大家想的那么像集体自杀。你要么喝下那杯“毒饮料”，要么就得挨枪子儿。有些人倒是逃出去了，但他们在那儿基本就是囚犯。毕竟是在丛林深处。
LikelyHentai374 赞2022/6/17
The whole thing kicked off because one of the residents of Jonestown was passing a note to who he thought was congressman Leo Ryan saying essentially that there were people who wanted to leave. Well, he dropped the note and one of the Jonestown children saw it and started shouting "he passed a note, he passed a note!". Jim Jones had a LOT of people brainwashed that everyone was out to get them. That the government was basically going to slaughter them all en masse and the only way out was to commit "revolutionary" suicide. I don't doubt that there were a lot of people, especially those in the inner circle and in the planning commission that gratefully laid down their lives for Jim Jones. But, Jones was a mass murderer, you're right. There were a lot of bodies that were shot/had needle marks at least suggesting that they weren't all willing to die for him. Jim had a problem with people leaving him. He saw any defection as an act of ultimate betrayal, even when he was a child he saw it as such. There was no way in hell that he was going to let anybody go once he got them down to Guyana. Some people were even asking him to let the ones who want to leave go and he just couldn't/wouldn't do it.
整件事的导火索是琼斯镇的一名居民给国会议员里奥·瑞安递了一张纸条，大意是说有人想离开。结果那人手滑把纸条弄掉了，被琼斯镇的一个小孩看见，大喊“他递纸条了，他递纸条了！”。吉姆·琼斯给很多人洗脑，让他们觉得全世界都在针对他们，觉得政府迟早会把他们一锅端了，唯一的出路就是搞什么“革命性”自杀。我不怀疑确实有一大批人，特别是那些核心圈子和策划委员会成员，是心甘情愿为吉姆·琼斯卖命的。但你说得对，琼斯就是个大屠杀凶手。很多尸体上有枪伤或针眼，这至少说明并非所有人都是自愿为他去死的。
吉姆这人特别受不了有人要离开他。他把任何人的背叛都视为终极背叛，哪怕他小时候就是这么想的。一旦把人骗到圭亚那，他绝不可能放任何人走。当时甚至有人求他放那些想走的人离开，但他就是做不到，也不肯放人。
Binky18243 赞2022/6/17
Was going to say this! These people were screwed either way.
我正想说这个！这些人横竖都是死。
raltoid267 赞2022/6/17
> It suffocates you I think. It's horrible. Cyanide basically blocks the cells ability to use oxygen for energy. So even though you're breathing fine, your body is **SCREAMING** in pain, trying to get you to take in more oxygen.
> 我觉得这玩意儿会让人窒息。
太可怕了。
氰化物基本上是阻断了细胞利用氧气产生能量的功能。
所以尽管你呼吸正常，你的身体却在**歇斯底里**地尖叫求救，拼命想让你吸入更多的氧气。
Diplodocus11479 赞2022/6/17
His son survived - got the hell out of there and was in a nearby town. Lucky guy
他儿子活下来了——当时赶紧溜了，刚好在附近的小镇上。真是个幸运儿。
ToastyMustache115 赞2022/6/17
I think all of his kids survived, one was manning a radio station in California when the kill order went out and didn’t disseminate it to the followers still in the US, preventing their compliance and deaths.
我觉得他的孩子们应该都幸存下来了，其中一个当时在加州负责一个广播站，当那个杀戮指令下达时，他并没有把它传达给那些还在美国的信徒们，从而阻止了他们服毒自杀。
Diplodocus11440 赞2022/6/17
Didn't know that - only heard about the son that was away on some sports team.
我还真不知道这事儿——只听过有个儿子当时正好在某个运动队里，所以不在现场。
Bryancreates126 赞2022/6/17
Like they’d inject babies/toddlers/ young kids who couldn’t drink it, with syringes. I’ll never forgot the person in the helicopter who found them saying he thought it was a big quilt on the ground from afar, before realizing it was hundreds of dead bodies stacked against each other.
就好像他们会用注射器给那些没法喝毒药的婴儿/幼儿/小孩注射一样。我永远忘不了那个在直升机上发现他们的人说的话，他说从远处看还以为地上铺着一张大被子，后来才意识到那是成百上千具堆叠在一起的尸体。
Admiralthrawnbar53 赞2022/6/17
The children definitely didn't have a say in it
孩子们肯定根本没得选。
UnstoppableCompote65 赞2022/6/17
>It suffocates you I think Cyanides (anything with a CN- binded to it, like HCN, hydrogen cyanide) bind themselves to an iron atom in a protein in the mitochondria. That protein plays a role in producing energy from ATP in your cells, effectively disrupting the process. So, yeah, your cells become incapabale of producing energy by breathing. I hope I got that down right.
>我觉得那会让人窒息
氰化物（任何含有氰基 CN- 的物质，比如 HCN，即氰化氢）会与线粒体中蛋白质里的铁原子结合。那种蛋白质在细胞通过 ATP 产生能量的过程中起着关键作用，这一结合实际上就破坏了整个过程。
所以，没错，你的细胞会因为无法呼吸而没法再产生能量了。
我希望我没记错。
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There's a video floating around of Michael Marin - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Marin - taking cyanide in a courtroom after being found guilty of arson. It looks and sounds like an absolutely horrific way to die.
网上有个视频，讲的是迈克尔·马林 (Michael Marin) —— https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Marin —— 在被判纵火罪成立后，当庭服下氰化物。那看起来和听起来都绝对是一种极其惨烈的死法。
SussyVent19 赞2022/6/17
Cyanide has a stupidly fast onset for an orally taken poison, it starts unpowerhousing the mitochondria pretty much seconds after ingesting. Any kind of tranquilizer will have absolutely no benefit unless taken before hand as they’ll take minutes to kick in.
氰化物作为口服毒药，起效快得简直离谱，基本吃下去几秒钟就开始切断线粒体的能量供应了。任何镇静剂除非提前服用，否则根本没用，因为它们起码得几分钟才能生效。
whateverathrowaway00153 赞2022/6/17
I regret listening to that honestly. One of the few things where my curiousity was more than it should’ve been. The babies wails while jones evil drugged out ass tells the moms to give it to the kids first gave me nightmares - and I’m a fully grown adult. The voices were a shock to me. I didn’t know until I read some of the info at https://jonestown.sdsu.edu that a majority of Jonestown communists were poor black people, many of whom were drawn in by Jones’ anti-racism rhetoric and dreams of communist utopia. Reading the letters made my heart break, many of them mentioning lives in unpleasant areas of the city and you can literally hear and see why they got pulled into this nightmare - and hearing the people on the death tape who resisted using the language of the cult… just heart rending. Posting this with the link as that website is an actual preserved record of the voices of the victims of Jonestown. Reading it made me resolve to never make any “drink the kool aid” jokes again. Also learning that it was mostly a murder. Only the top tier enforcers commited suicide, and after making sure everyone else did commit suicide. It’s in the planning documents, all laid out in black and white.
说实话，我很后悔听了那个录音。这是我极少数因为好奇心太重而感到后悔的事情之一。
录音里婴儿的啼哭声，还有琼斯那个被毒品搞坏脑子的混蛋叫妈妈们先给孩子喂毒药，这些真的给我留下了心理阴影——我可是一个成年人了。
那些受害者的声音让我很震惊。在读到 https://jonestown.sdsu.edu 上的资料之前，我根本不知道琼斯镇绝大多数的共产主义者都是贫穷的黑人，他们很多人是被琼斯的反种族主义言论和共产主义乌托邦的梦想给吸引进去的。
读着那些信件，我的心都要碎了。信里很多人提到了他们在城市里那不堪的生活，你真的能听出来也看出来他们为什么会被拖进这场噩梦——而且在死亡录音里，听到那些反抗的人用着邪教的那套话术……真的太让人心酸了。
我把链接发出来，是因为那个网站是琼斯镇受害者声音的真实存档。读完这些，我暗下决心，再也不会开任何关于“喝下酷爱饮料（盲目从众/自杀）”的玩笑了。
还有，了解到那其实基本就是一场谋杀，这也让人很震惊。只有那些核心打手才是自杀的，而且他们是在确保其他人全都“被自杀”之后才动手的。这些在计划文档里写得清清楚楚，白纸黑字。
Beingabummer23 赞2022/6/17
People always think they would never get pulled into a cult. That they would see the writing on the wall and be able to avoid it. The problem is, everyone has an Achilles heel and someone will find it. It can be loneliness, poverty, feeling stupid or underappreciated, feeling ugly, etc. I realized that when I was about 20 and single and some guy selling magazine subscriptions referred to my girlfriend who would really enjoy it. I was so flattered he thought I could have a girlfriend that I signed up. It was stupid and it wouldn't work again, but he found that Achilles heel and he got the result he wanted. Everyone has something like that and the more you think you don't, the more vulnerable you are. In that case, arrogance is the weakness.
人们总觉得他们绝不会陷入邪教。觉得如果身处其中，自己肯定能看出苗头并及时避开。但问题是，每个人都有软肋，总有人能发现它。这软肋可能是孤独、贫穷、觉得自己蠢或怀才不遇、觉得自己长得丑等等。
我20岁那会儿单身，有个推销杂志订阅的家伙提起我那并不存在的女朋友，说她肯定会喜欢这杂志。当时我简直受宠若惊，觉得他居然认为我能有女朋友，结果我就买了他的订阅。这事儿挺蠢的，要是现在肯定不会上当，但他当时就是找到了我的那个软肋，并且达到了他的目的。
每个人都有类似这种软肋，而且你越是觉得自己没有，你就越容易中招。在这种情况下，傲慢就是最大的弱点。
Bryancreates41 赞2022/6/17
My aunt/uncle/cousins lived next his to residence in Redwood Valley in NoCal. One of my cousins was friends with Jim Jr. My uncle declined invites to go over and wouldn’t let my cousin play with him after awhile. Then Jim sr. took everyone south to SF. Crazy how history is so removed yet also so real. My uncle actually committed suicide on the Russian River in Ukiah, but he didn’t let his family get involved with peoples temples. But JJ jr. was pretty cool I hear.
我姑姑/叔叔/表亲们以前就住在北加州红木谷他家隔壁。我其中一个表亲当时和吉姆二世（Jim Jr.）是朋友。但我叔叔拒绝了对方的邀请，后来也不让我表亲跟他玩了。后来吉姆老头（Jim sr.）就把所有人都带去南边的旧金山了。真疯，历史明明离我们那么远，却又感觉那么真实。我叔叔后来确实是在尤奇亚的俄罗斯河自杀的，但他没让家里人卷进那个“人民圣殿教”。不过我听说吉姆二世这人其实挺酷的。
RachelPalmer79302 赞2022/6/17
And he didn’t even do it himself!
而且他甚至都不是亲手干的！
Handguns4Hearts163 赞2022/6/17
No it was his main side bitch wasn't it?
不对，那是他那个御用“小三”干的吧？
RachelPalmer79292 赞2022/6/17
His nurse I think. She shot herself after. She could have been a side bitch since he was fucking most of the women.
我觉得应该是他的护士。后来她自杀了。她当时说不定就是个炮友，毕竟他跟大部分女人都有一腿。
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He was fucking *most* of the women. The women he didn't he would have strip in front of the group while he listed all of their physical faults and describe why he would never have sex with them. It was 2-3 hours between the last and second to last shot.
他确实跟*大部分*女人都睡过。至于那些没被他睡过的，他会强迫她们在众人面前脱光，然后在那儿数落她们身体上的各种缺陷，还非要细说他为什么绝对不会跟她们上床。
最后两声枪响之间隔了大概两三个小时。
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>It was 2-3 hours between the last and second to last shot. What does that mean?
>最后两声枪响之间隔了大概两三个小时。
这话啥意思啊？
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这意味着有人转悠了好几个小时，鬼知道在干嘛，最后自杀了。
FistFullOfCash61 赞2022/6/17
护士？
witchywater11120 赞2022/6/17
没人知道。调查人员唯一找到的一点线索是，关于他那个藏了几百万美元的海外账户的信息不见了。
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他们是怎么知道最后一枪是什么时候打的？
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很有可能。她被发现死在一个小棚屋里，堵着门，旁边还有一封遗书。她极有可能是先杀了琼斯，在他头下垫了个枕头，处理完该处理的事，然后走进棚屋，写下遗书并自杀了。
信中有一句很显眼的话：
*“我们选择自杀，是因为你们不让我们活下去。”*
talto1727 赞2022/6/17
我猜是指护士开枪打死他的时候，以及护士开枪自杀的时候。
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加入邪教从来没啥好下场。
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天堂之门教派有两个成员没自杀，留下来维护网站和回复邮件。
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我倒是挺好奇他们现在还在搞这事儿没……？
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是啊，维基百科上说他们还在弄呢。路易·泰鲁（Louis Theroux）在集体自杀事件发生前不久，曾试图采访这个邪教。他们拒绝了，但据说在自杀前夕还专门给他寄了一份媒体资料包。那要真能采访到，肯定会是一期非常有意思的节目。
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我好像再也找不到那个主页了，尽管我知道几年前它还在网上。基本看起来就像九十年代末那种烂透了的个人 HTML 网页。
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哇，还是我记忆里那种感觉。
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“我们的反自杀立场”
考虑到……发生过的一切，这真的挺离谱的。
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其中一个人在某个叫《天堂之门》（Heavens Gate）的播客上接受了采访，他当时抑郁得不行，因为他遗憾自己没能跟大家一起自杀。
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不知道为什么，要把 IT 部门一直留在我们身边这件事，我觉得特好笑。*需要……提升……正常运行时间……*
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当领导确实能赚更多的钱，但当个普通成员才更有乐子。
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哇，没人能偷了克里德·布拉顿的东西还能全身而退。上一个这么干的人已经人间蒸发了。
他的名字就叫：克里德·布拉顿。
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啧，还是当老大更爽，因为他能随便睡所有人的老婆。
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可悲的是，连她们的女儿也不放过。
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我们应该把这玩意儿搞成个宗教。
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No dont
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我在Pornhub上看过关于这个主题的纪录片。讲的是个男的跟他继女那点事儿。那场面，真是乱得一塌糊涂。
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Check out 'Jonestown: Terror in the Jungle' [https://youtu.be/sApFRNXYsFQ](https://youtu.be/sApFRNXYsFQ) Absolutely terrifying....
去看看《琼斯镇：丛林中的恐怖》（Jonestown: Terror in the Jungle）吧。
[https://youtu.be/sApFRNXYsFQ](https://youtu.be/sApFRNXYsFQ)
简直吓死人……
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Like 90% murder. Those people were forced to drink poison, anyone who refused was gunned down.
基本上就是百分之九十的谋杀。那些人是被强迫喝下毒药的，谁敢拒绝就直接被乱枪打死。
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I read they did fake out runs too, where they’d drink un-poisoned liquid, with the belief that it was poisoned: >Everyone, including the children, was told to line up. As we passed through the line, we were given a small glass of red liquid to drink. We were told that the liquid contained poison and that we would die within 45 minutes. We all did as we were told. When the time came when we should have dropped dead, Rev. Jones explained that the poison was not real and that we had just been through a loyalty test. He warned us that the time was not far off when it would become necessary for us to die by our own hands. Some people may not have even realised this was the real thing.
我读过相关的资料，说他们还搞过那种“模拟演习”，让他们喝没毒的液体，但骗他们说那是毒药：
>所有人，包括小孩在内，都被要求排成一排。我们轮流走过队伍，每人领到一小杯红色液体喝下。我们被告知那液体里下了毒，四十五分钟内就会没命。我们全都照做了。等到该死的时候，琼斯牧师却解释说那毒药是假的，我们刚刚只是经历了一场忠诚度测试。他警告我们，真正需要亲手了结自己生命的那一天已经不远了。
有些人可能到最后都没意识到这次居然是来真的。
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>Some people may not have even realised this was the real thing Maybe the very first people but it would've been pretty obvious after a short while. They didn't die peacefully. E: oh also we have a good idea of what the final hours were like. They had audio recordings. It's basically a lot of crying and screaming (especially from children) with some of the leaders chastising everyone for being scared.
> 有些人可能根本没意识到这是真的。
或许最初那会儿是这样，但过不了多久就很明显了。他们走得可一点都不安详。
补充：噢对了，我们对他们最后几个小时的情况其实了解得很清楚。当时有录音。基本上全都是哭喊声（尤其是小孩子），中间还夹杂着那些头目在训斥大家，嫌他们表现得太害怕。
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It’s been a while, but I want to say it was Jim Jones himself chewing out his followers for allowing the children to cry and wail through what he was considering to be a dignified, sacred event. He wanted them to die with dignity, despite the fact they were thousands of miles away from their homeland dying a horrible death. An absolute narcissist to the very end.
隔了挺久了，但我记得当时应该是吉姆·琼斯（Jim Jones）本人在痛骂他的信徒，嫌他们任由孩子在那儿哭闹，破坏了他所谓的“庄严神圣”的仪式。
他想要他们“死得体面”，尽管事实是这些人远在数千英里外的他乡，死状极其惨烈。他到死都是个彻头彻尾的自恋狂。
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And this reinforces my main issue: children ruin absolutely everything. Can’t even die in peace.
这反而印证了我最反感的一点：小屁孩真是毁掉一切的罪魁祸首。连死都死不消停。
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孩子：没他们不行，有他们也受不了。
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我觉得大人们应该能感受到这种变化。特别是当他宣布李欧·瑞安（Leo Ryan）已死后，录音带的语气。我记得很久以前读到过，琼斯（Jones）又恢复了以前的样子。他找到了自己的舞台，趾高气扬，得意洋洋。他享受其中，乐在其中。而与此同时，你能听到人们走上讲台感谢他，称他为“爸爸”。
整件事简直令人作呕，太悲惨了。
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你听过那个磁带吗？有个女人说：“嘿……嗯……请记住，我只是随便说说……但呃，也许我们不应该都自杀？！”
然后整个房间开始嘘她，说不可能。一切都结束了。琼斯本人也开始告诉他们这是不可能的。
这太疯狂了。
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除非他们在试运行的时候往“酷爱饮料”（Kool-Aid）里加了苦味剂，否则百分之百有人在最后一次运行的时候察觉到不对劲。那种混合出来的玩意儿味道肯定重得离谱。
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>我们刚经历了一场忠诚度测试
我在想那些没通过的人都怎么了……敢打包票肯定不是每个人都认同（这事儿）。
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杰基·斯皮尔（Jackie Speier）——也就是现在的加州国会女议员，当年在近距离被开了5枪后居然活了下来。
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我们应该告诉年轻的 Reddit 用户，她是一位国会调查员，而不是某个邪教成员。
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我当时就这么想的，哈哈。
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她将在下次选举时退休：看起来凯文·马林将接管她的选区。
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Yes and no. Many (probably most) seemed to want to do it. If you listen to the “death tapes” there is one woman who comes forward to argue against doing the “revolutionary suicide” thing and she gets shouted down.
算是一半一半吧。很多人（大概是绝大多数）看起来确实是自愿的。如果你听过那些“死亡录音”，里面有个女人站出来反对搞什么“革命性自杀”，结果直接被吼声给压下去了。
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I had a college professor who was a young adult doing a summer research project near Sacramento when Jones lived there. He met Jones a number of times. Several of his peers were quite taken with Jones, and a young lady he was close with ended up full on joining the cult. She would later die at Jonestown. He went on to become a renowned sociologist who extensively studied cults and reclusive groups. His stories were fascinating.
我大学时有位教授，琼斯当年在萨克拉门托住的时候，他还是个年轻人，在那儿做暑期研究项目。他跟琼斯见过好几次面。他身边的几个同龄人当时特别迷琼斯，其中一位他走得很近的年轻女士最后彻底加入了那个邪教。她后来就死在了琼斯镇。那位教授后来成了知名的社会学家，专门研究邪教和各种封闭群体。他讲的那些往事真的特别引人入胜。
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That’s interesting. The thing about Jones is he was actually (at least partly) a force for good in the community. He would take people in and reform them and his group would go out and do all this community service stuff. But then he got more and more into drugs and power and paranoia and probably mental illness, plus law enforcement was looking at him and he was likely facing pretty serious legal charges so he absconded to the jungle in Guyana. Then when they pursued him there he decided to kill everybody and himself
这挺有意思的。琼斯这人吧，怎么说呢，他确实（至少在一定程度上）曾是社区里的一股正能量。他会收留那些走投无路的人，帮他们改过自新，他的团队也会到处去做各种社区服务。但后来他越陷越深，沉迷毒品、权力膨胀、疑神疑鬼，可能还有精神疾病，再加上执法部门盯上了他，他估计也面临着相当严重的法律指控，所以就逃到了圭亚那的丛林里。后来当人们追到那儿时，他决定把所有人都杀了，最后再自杀。
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Damn, I read this really good article laying out how tight knit that community had been (and some really good context around the racial aspect - the majority of Jonestown victims were black), but can’t find it now.
妈的，我之前读过一篇特别棒的文章，里面详细讲了这个群体当初有多么紧密（还提供了关于种族因素的绝佳背景——琼斯镇的大多数受害者都是黑人），但我现在找不到了。
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Yeah I’ve read a lot about that. It all sounds true, especially from the early days of the movement. But then it spiraled out of control for the reasons mentioned
对，关于这个我也读过不少。听起来全都属实，尤其是考虑到这个运动早期的情况。但后来出于文中提到的那些原因，事情就开始彻底失控了。
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I remember reading in a book about Jonestown where the author said that if Jim Jones had diverged from the Temple around the mid to late 60s, he probably would have been a damn good politician. Because it's true that he spent most of his early life with the temple legitimately trying to help people. He was a leading activist in Indianapolis for desegregation and ran several successful soup kitchens. All that context just makes his turn to mass murderer all the more horrible I think.
我记得在一本关于琼斯镇的书里读到过，作者说如果吉姆·琼斯在60年代中后期离开“人民圣殿教”的话，他没准儿能成为一个相当厉害的政客。毕竟，他早年大部分时间确实是在通过圣殿教真心实意地帮助别人，这点是真的。他当时在印第安纳波利斯可是废除种族隔离运动的领军人物，还开了好几家运营成功的免费食堂。正因如此，他后来变成一个大规模杀人犯的事实，才让人觉得加倍地可怕。
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琼斯刚开始的时候人还挺好的，为了争取平等权利特别拼，也确实为黑人群体做了不少贡献。
后来他简直是彻底疯了，老兄。
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我的一点小建议：千万别去听最后那天的录音。那些声音会一直缠着你，在你脑子里挥之不去。
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随着琼斯在那儿解释并替他那些扭曲的观念开脱，孩子们的哭声变得越来越小。听着特别瘆人。
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Eerie is not the right description. It's devastating to listen to.
用“诡异”来形容根本不够贴切。听着简直让人心碎。
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Appreciate the warning.
感谢提醒。
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My 5th grade teacher played some of his earlier speeches from right before they all moved for our health class, and even those were so unsettling knowing the context.
我五年级老师在他们所有人搬走前夕，给我们健康课放过他的一些早期演讲。即便只是那些片段，想到背后的背景，都让人感到无比不安。
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Fun fact: although they all took poisoned store brand Kool Aid, the poison didn’t kill most of them. A lot of people tried to back out last minute and escape and were shot down by armed guards. The ones the poison didn’t kill were also shot.
冷知识：虽然他们都喝了含毒的廉价牌果汁粉，但其实大多数人并不是被毒死的。当时有很多人临阵想反悔逃跑，结果被武装守卫给枪杀了。那些毒药没毒死的，最后也都被补了枪。
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Is this where the phrase “drank the koolaid” comes from?
“喝了果汁”（drank the kool-aid）这个短语就是这么来的吗？
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That’s exactly where it came from!
没错，就是打这儿来的！
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鉴于他们用的是自家产品，FlavorAid 能促成这种联系，简直是史上最牛的营销操作之一。
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是 Flavor-aid，不是 Kool-aid。#停止污蔑KoolAid
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Ohh yeaaa
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我知道，哈哈。我就是这么说的，“商店牌儿的Kool aid”。那不是真的Kool Aid。不过我挺欣赏你对这事的执着。
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What happened to the guards?
那些警卫到底怎么了？
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IIRC it was organized so that there were people assigned to make sure others followed through, down to one woman who was responsible for making sure even Jones died. I think there was evidence that she may have then wandered around for a while before killing herself last.
如果我没记错的话，当时的组织相当严密，有人专门负责监督其他人把事做绝，甚至还有个女的专门负责确保琼斯（Jones）本人也死掉。我觉得有证据显示，她在最后自杀前，可能还在周围晃悠了一阵子。
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It was so organized that they even had a procedure to shoot and kill the chimpanzee they kept as a mascot. It was found dead from a gunshot to the back of the head full execution style.
这组织严密到甚至有一套专门的流程，用来枪杀他们养的那个当吉祥物的黑猩猩。人们发现它的时候，后脑勺中弹，完全是行刑式的处决。
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Pretty sure the *last* thing I would want to do there is fucking wander around… not like there’s a lot of nice stuff to look at.
我敢肯定，我在那儿最不想做的事就是到处瞎逛……那地方又没什么好看的。
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I believe other people were assigned to killing them. I’m not positive on that though, I’ll have to look it up.
我记得当时是有别人被指派去杀他们的。不过我也不敢百分之百确定，我得去查查。
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Didn't they ingest cyanide? I always forget what they took to kill all those poor people.
他们不是吃了氰化物吗？我老是记不住他们到底是用了什么东西杀掉那些可怜人的。
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Yes, this is where don’t drink the koolaid comes from
没错，这就是“别喝那杯酷爱（don’t drink the koolaid）”这个梗的由来。
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I said that to a friend one time, and a person completely unrelated to the conversation interjected to tell me that is a racist comment and that I should be ashamed. I asked if they know who Jim Jones is, and, I swear to whatever god is listening, they said “I don’t listen to rap”.
有次我跟朋友说了这话，结果一个完全不相干的人插嘴说这是种族歧视，我应该感到羞愧。我问他知不知道吉姆·琼斯（Jim Jones）是谁，我发誓对着老天爷起誓，他回了一句：“我不听饶舌音乐。”
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There's a very famous rapper named Jim Jones no relation
确实有个很有名的饶舌歌手也叫吉姆·琼斯，不过他俩没啥关系。
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Oh I know, I was a youngin for the rise and fall of “We Fly High”.., BALLIN
噢我懂，那会儿“We Fly High”火起来又凉掉的时候我还是个小屁孩呢……BALLIN（灌篮/搞起）！
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I think they were trying to be edgy and came off as stupid. “Black people = drink kool-aid” and the last part is a [South Park The Movie](https://youtu.be/Pi5zxL2e27k) reference
我觉得他们本想走个前卫叛逆的路线，结果显得特蠢。“黑人 = 喝酷爱饮料（kool-aid）”，最后那部分还是个《南方公园大电影》的梗。
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True, but it was actually flavor-aid
确实，但其实那会儿（现实中）喝的是Flavor-Aid（廉价仿品）。
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Preach
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Mom can we get koolaid?
We have koolaid at home.
The koolaid at home— Flavor-aid with cyanide.
妈，我们能买点酷爱饮料（Kool-aid）吗？
家里有酷爱饮料。
家里的酷爱饮料——其实是掺了氰化物的Flavor-aid（廉价代用品）。
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600 people drank willingly, some of those 600 also injected themselves directly with the poison to prove their loyalty. 300 people refused and were murdered. 1 person walked up to the guards, asked politely to be dismissed, and they told him to have a nice life and let him go.
当时有600人是自愿喝下的，其中有些人为了证明忠诚，甚至直接给自己注射了毒药。另有300人拒绝饮用，结果遭到了谋杀。
只有一个人径直走向警卫，礼貌地请求离开，结果他们竟然祝他好运，还真把他放了。
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Man, I bet that one dude has a crazy story to tell.
天呐，我敢说那哥们儿肯定有一段离谱到家的经历可以吹一辈子。
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Yep. I bet it is also super sad and terrifying. I would give my life to see my friends and family live. In a heartbeat. I bet he feels it today.
没错。我敢打赌那肯定也超级悲惨和吓人。为了让我的朋友和家人活下去，我愿意献出生命。毫不犹豫。我敢说他现在肯定也深有体会。
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I think he unfortunately became homeless later after returning to the US.
我觉得很不幸的是，他回到美国后后来流落街头了。
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The worst part was they forced children and babies to take it. The audio of the last 45 minutes is on youtube, and it breaks my heart hearing all the children crying, saying things like, “I don’t feel good”. Just awful what they did. Jim Jones is a mass murderer.
最糟心的是他们竟然强迫小孩和婴儿也喝下那个。最后45分钟的录音在YouTube上能找到，听到那些孩子在哭，说着“我不舒服”之类的话，真的让我心碎。他们干的那些事简直太丧尽天良了。吉姆·琼斯就是个大屠杀凶手。
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>Jim Jones is a mass murderer. I think that's something we can all agree on.
>吉姆·琼斯是个大屠杀凶手。
我想这点我们都没什么异议。
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MR. CHEEKY: Eh, freedom for me. They said I hadn't done anything, so I could go free and live on an island somewhere. NISUS: Oh. Oh, well, that's jolly good. Well, off you go, then.
俏皮先生：呃，我重获自由了。他们说我没犯什么事儿，所以我可以恢复自由身，去某个岛上过日子了。
奈瑟斯：噢。噢，那太棒了。得嘞，那你就赶紧滚蛋吧。
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I'm only joking. Crucifixion.
我开玩笑的。把你钉十字架上。
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There are a couple survivors, mostly people who left before this final day or a very select group of 3 people who were sent to donate all the remaining money to the USSR (they ditched all the money when they learned what was happening).
还有那么几个幸存者，大多数是在最后一天之前就走了的人，或者是那极少数被派去把剩下的钱捐给苏联的 3 个人（他们知道发生了什么事后就把钱全给扔了）。
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whats it like dying from cyanide?
死于氰化物中毒是什么感觉？
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It prevents your cells from using oxygen. There’s a video of a guy taking cyanide in court after being convicted for arson or something like that and his face turns beat red and he begins wheezing very likely unable to breathe and collapses out of his chair. Seems pretty brutal and scary but it is only a few minutes before you’re gone.
它会阻止你的细胞利用氧气。有个视频，讲的是个家伙因为纵火还是什么罪名被判刑后，在法庭上服下了氰化物。他的脸变得通红，开始喘粗气，很明显没法呼吸了，然后就从椅子上瘫倒在地。看起来挺残忍挺吓人的，但也就几分钟你人就没了。
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Bad... I believe it paralyses you first then you die over the course of a few minutes in what I’ve heard is excruciating pain
太惨了……据我所知，这玩意儿会先让你瘫痪，然后你在接下来的几分钟里，会在极度痛苦中慢慢死去。
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According to my biology teacher, it basically stops your cells from producing energy so you get weaker and weaker until essential organs don't work anymore, like heart and lungs. This happens in a matter of minutes
我生物老师说，它基本上是阻止你的细胞产生能量，所以你会越来越虚弱，直到心脏和肺这些重要器官停止工作。这个过程也就几分钟的事。
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Yes they drank a mix of punch and cyanide. Those that refused were forcibly injected.
没错，他们喝的是混合了氰化物的果汁。那些拒绝喝的人则是被强行注射的。
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Yikes. Slap a NSFW tag on this.
哎哟喂。赶紧给这玩意儿打个NSFW（不宜工作时间观看）标签吧。
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The podcast Transmissions from Jonestown features lots of audio recordings of the peoples temple. More peoples temple stuff here. https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/
播客《琼斯镇传讯》（Transmissions from Jonestown）里收录了很多“人民圣殿教”的音频录音。更多关于人民圣殿教的资料都在这儿：https://jonestown.sdsu.edu/
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God that lady that tries to convince everyone it's bad idea and they just shit on her. Bad vibes man...😔 Edit: https://youtu.be/ofbGZDbbUsE 6:47 - Christina Miller
天呐，那个试图说服大家这是个馊主意的女士，结果大家全都反过来喷她。真是太糟心了，伙计……😔
编辑：https://youtu.be/ofbGZDbbUsE
6:47 - 克里斯蒂娜·米勒（Christina Miller）
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Christina Miller
克里斯蒂娜·米勒（Christina Miller）
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Interesting Fact: Guyana was happy to have a large community of Americans near the border with Venezuela because Venezuela was trying to annex parts of Guyana. A large group of Americans would make Venezuela think twice about invading as it would set off an international incident.
有个冷知识：圭亚那当时很乐意让一大群美国人在靠近委内瑞拉边境的地方定居，因为委内瑞拉一直想吞并圭亚那的部分领土。有大批美国人在那儿，委内瑞拉想入侵时就得三思了，毕竟这会引发国际事件。
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Why
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You’re not getting complete answers so here’s my attempt. Jim jones was a cult leader who convinced a whole bunch of Americans to set up a commune in South America. The families of his followers had been petitioning the government to do something about this guy since his Jonestown wasn’t the utopia he promised it would be and his followers weren’t allowed to leave. A congressman and maybe some reporters flew down to investigate. Jones had the congressman killed before he could get back to the states. Now, I’m not sure how he thought he could get away with killing a congressman, but after that happened he realized the jig was up and decided to take everyone down with him.
你之前的回答都不太完整，所以我来试着捋一捋。吉姆·琼斯是个邪教头子，他忽悠了一大帮美国人去南美搞了个公社。他那些追随者的家属一直在向政府请愿，要求管管这家伙，因为所谓的“琼斯镇”根本不是他承诺的乌托邦，而且那里的成员根本没法离开。后来有个国会议员带着几名记者飞过去调查。结果议员还没来得及回到美国，就被琼斯派人干掉了。
讲真，我搞不懂他当时是怎么想的，竟然觉得杀了个国会议员还能脱身。但事发之后，他自己也意识到这回彻底玩完了，于是决定拉着所有人一起陪葬。
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I think killing the congressman was part of the whole plan that would culminate with mass suicide. It had been in the works for weeks. They had been stockpiling cyanide and guns.
我觉得干掉那个国会议员是整个计划的一部分，而这个计划最终会导致集体自杀。这事儿策划了好几周了，他们一直在囤积氰化物和枪支。
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Just to add an interesting part of the psychology behind why so many did it and a large part of the motivation that people gloss over leading up to the night came from Jones setting up his followers to believe the US army or CIA were about to come crashing down on them at any moment guns blazing and kill them regardless of whether they decided to kill themselves or not because Jim claimed they hated what they stood for as spiritual revolutionaries, they (military) would shoot any of them including the kids either way, couldn't have the world see their communal utopia filled with socialist US citizens, were racist etc etc so committing their "revolutionary act of suicide" together was under the belief that they would be killed by the US military whether they took the poison or not. Jim tells them to deny the US military the opportunity to end them and commit a revolutionary act for the world to see. Killing Congressman Ryan was likely a mix of things, deliberate in order to kick off the series of events to have the US military come get them "for sure" that he'd been setting up for a long time anyway and the fact someone with actual power to do something about Jim came along and meddled to a large degree.I don't think he expected to get away with it but thought he might possibly forestall the military's arrival by not letting Ryan get back to America to grass on them, he wanted it to be the moment where he'd say "see they do want to get us and now there's no going back so do it yourself quickly before they do it for you." It's mentioned in the book Road to Jonestown and some tapes where he's basically counting down the hours until the US military arrives and pushing people on with it. He ran fake invasions where the US military were "spotted" heading towards them in the jungle around their compound by followers he had set to defensive patrols looking out for "the moment" they finally came to get them alongside his fake poison drinking sessions. Someone pointed it out but their comment is now gone but these night drills were called "White Nights", he drilled everyone on the arrival of the army, had people stationed on radio and watch towers away from the compound and warned them all that they had to kill themselves because they wouldn't just be killed when "they" arrived but the US government intended to torture all of them too, including children. Congressman Ryan's visit was like confirmation for a lot of them that the US really was preparing and watching them and would be swooping in guns blazing at any moment and that Ryan was just there to get an idea of the situation before it happened (as well as trying to take away followers and being passed secret notes), he meddled a bit too much and Jim saw it as a sure thing they'd be stopped soon one way or another so killed him as he tried to fly home, the bridges were burned and they were definitely going to be shut down now and the US army "is just a few hours away now" like Jim said. Jones is basically like "this is it, after Ryan the military is coming and they'll be here soon so let's not let them kill us or take us either" and commit a "revolutionary act" of suicide instead. Also one more thing. Jones was a fucking door to door monkey salesman at one point. What's that about haha. Also supposedly as a child in school Jones used to make the other kids play soldiers where he was the one giving the orders, **as a Nazi commander**, in between giving made up fire and brimstone sermons to the other children emulating the over the top showmen evangelists he had seen... Everyone needs to read Road to Jonestown. It's an unbelievable book.
再补充一个心理学上很有意思的点，解释为什么那么多人会照做，而且这是大众在回顾当晚时经常忽略的一个主要动机：琼斯一直在给信徒洗脑，让他们相信美国军队或中情局随时会杀过来，在那儿大开杀戒，不管他们自不自杀都难逃一死。吉姆声称，军方恨透了他们这些“精神革命者”所代表的一切，所以不管怎样，军方都会把他们全干掉，包括孩子。他还说，军方绝不能让世人看到他们这个由美国社会主义公民组成的公社乌托邦，还说军方有种族歧视等等。所以他们集体实施所谓的“革命性自杀行为”时，心里认定的就是：反正喝不喝毒药，美军都会杀了他们。吉姆告诉他们，别给美军动手的机会，要用“革命性行为”让全世界都看到（他们的决心）。
干掉瑞安议员的原因可能比较复杂，一方面是为了蓄意引发一系列连锁反应，好让美军“铁定”会来找他们——这事儿他早就在布局了；另一方面，确实是因为一个真正有实权能对付吉姆的人出现了，而且还插手了太多事。我觉得他没指望能逃脱罪责，而是想通过不让瑞安回国告密，来延缓美军的到来。他想把这变成一个节点，让他能趁机煽动说：“看吧，他们果然要来对付我们，现在没回头路了，趁他们动手前，赶紧自己了结吧。”
《通往琼斯镇之路》（Road to Jonestown）那本书和一些录音带里提到过，他当时基本上是在倒计时等着美军降临，不断催促大家赶紧动手。他搞过好几次假入侵演习，让那些负责放哨、等着“那一刻”到来的信徒在丛林里“发现”美军正在向营地靠近，同时也搞过那种假的喝毒药预演。之前有人提过，但那条评论现在没了，这种夜间演习叫“白色之夜”（White Nights）。他给所有人进行军演训练，派人在营地外的无线电站和了望塔值守，警告他们必须自杀，因为“他们”一旦到了，不仅会杀了他们，美国政府还会把他们所有人，包括小孩子，都抓去严刑拷打。
瑞安议员的造访对他们中的许多人来说，就像是确认了美国确实在暗中监视并准备收拾他们，随时都会荷枪实弹地突袭。他们觉得瑞安来就是为了在行动前摸清情况（顺便带走信徒，还收到了求救纸条）。他干涉得太多了，吉姆认为无论如何他们很快就会被彻底清算，所以就在瑞安试图飞回国时杀了他。这下梁子彻底结下了，他们肯定会被剿灭，而且就像吉姆说的，美军“只剩几个小时路程了”。琼斯基本就是那套说辞：“就是现在了，瑞安一死，军队马上就到，咱们别让他们杀过来或者把咱们抓走”，于是号召大家伙儿来一场“革命性”的自杀。
还有件事。琼斯有一阵子竟然还是个推销猴子的推销员，简直绝了，哈哈。还有，据说他小时候在学校就喜欢让其他孩子玩打仗游戏，他自己当头头，演一个**纳粹指挥官**。在这些游戏间隙，他还会模仿那些夸张的福音派传教士，给其他孩子宣讲自创的末日审判布道……每个人都该去读读《通往琼斯镇之路》。那书真的不可思议。
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Jim Jones didn't want to go back to his old life before being considered a massiah
吉姆·琼斯可不想回到他当救世主之前的破日子。
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He also killed a US Representative, Leo Ryan, not long before the mass poisoning. Had his men gun him and his entourage down at a nearby airstrip after they tried to leave with some of his followers who wanted out.
在集体服毒自尽事件发生前不久，他还杀了一名美国众议员，里奥·瑞安（Leo Ryan）。当时瑞安带着几个想跑路的信徒打算离开，结果他在附近的简易机场让人把瑞安和随行人员全都突突了。
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Actually he was facing prosecution and probably jail.
其实当时他正面临起诉，大概率得蹲大牢。
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And that's where the phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" comes from (even though they didn't use name-brand Kool-Aid).
“喝酷爱饮料”（drinking the Kool-Aid）这个梗就是这么来的（尽管他们用的其实不是酷爱牌果珍）。
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I’m from the area where Jones and his followers were living before heading down to Guyana. I’ve had to tell numerous people not to use that phrase as many people have relatives that died down there and, in fact, drank the “kool-Aid”. Pretty much there and Guyana would be the places to never use that phrase I presume.
我就是琼斯和他那帮追随者去圭亚那之前住的那片儿的人。我不得不提醒过好多人别再用那个梗了，因为很多人在那儿都有亲戚丧命，而且他们确实是喝了那杯“酷爱饮料”（kool-Aid）。我估计吧，在那片儿还有圭亚那，这两个地方最好别提这茬。
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Don’t think Guyana care that much. Weren’t any locals who perished
感觉圭亚那人根本不在乎吧。又没死什么当地人。
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Yeah lmao I know guyanese don't think I ever hear them talk about the massacre probably just looked like a whole lot of weird dumb foreigner shit to them, especially when they all went out
对啊，笑死我了。我知道圭亚那人怎么想，我都没听他们提过那场屠杀，估计在他们眼里那就是一帮怪胎老外搞出来的弱智破事儿，尤其是当他们全都挂掉的时候。
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Guess I’ll plug the Last Podcast on the Left episodes over this as they do a pretty good job of the cults beginning and what led to Jonestown. [Part I](https://open.spotify.com/episode/62eqehugfUo9mXzXypkXbU?si=9_YIiw1VQc23ti6O6XYLbg)
[Part II](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7wZZ6t5uYmC75VJn4CyRuf?si=9acZrayhQJCDGdPZUAmrkA)
[Part III](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3hNkGMa3EIY79yDIvQoWYg?si=AKXL3ITuRHq2BbWin9LQLw)
[Part IV](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7daXoCdfVA6xBUhq1tKtQK?si=Y5kDSzzDQ8-xbLtzli5ynA)
[Part V](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3OhOVb7ML3Q5DY0zq2EoGA?si=ryrl_TAVSRurUE7kqKn4bA)
看来我得安利一下《Last Podcast on the Left》关于这个案子的几期节目了，他们把邪教的起源以及琼斯镇惨案的来龙去脉讲得相当到位。
[第一部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/62eqehugfUo9mXzXypkXbU?si=9_YIiw1VQc23ti6O6XYLbg)
[第二部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7wZZ6t5uYmC75VJn4CyRuf?si=9acZrayhQJCDGdPZUAmrkA)
[第三部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3hNkGMa3EIY79yDIvQoWYg?si=AKXL3ITuRHq2BbWin9LQLw)
[第四部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7daXoCdfVA6xBUhq1tKtQK?si=Y5kDSzzDQ8-xbLtzli5ynA)
[第五部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3OhOVb7ML3Q5DY0zq2EoGA?si=ryrl_TAVSRurUE7kqKn4bA)
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Hopefully that doesn’t break any rules or anything posting the links. If so, whoopsie -my bad.
希望发这些链接没坏什么规矩。如果真违规了，哎哟不好意思——是我欠考虑了。
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I will counter with the Casefile episodes. I love their matter of fact and non-editorial coverage. [Part 1](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1m8CbI5mymEyUxpZftE1CU?si=c626e9eddadc4620) [Part 2](https://open.spotify.com/episode/16ycDsxUN2zamh2jRRSo6m?si=0894cb3588044183) [Part 3](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1XWD3VFe0gdimJ1UJsjvqb?si=445bad42228a480a)
那我反手就推一波《Casefile》的几期节目。我就爱他们那种客观叙述、不带个人偏见的报道风格。
[第一部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1m8CbI5mymEyUxpZftE1CU?si=c626e9eddadc4620)
[第二部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/16ycDsxUN2zamh2jRRSo6m?si=0894cb3588044183)
[第三部分](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1XWD3VFe0gdimJ1UJsjvqb?si=445bad42228a480a)
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Casefile is my favorite true crime. It really is so sterile and like reading a briefing. I hate hearing other people's opinions and conversations peppered into the narrative.
Casefile 是我最爱的罪案类播客。它真的非常有条理，听起来就像在读案情简报一样。我可讨厌在叙述过程中掺杂其他人那些有的没的观点和闲聊了。
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RIP Mr. Muggs
R.I.P. Mr. Muggs（安息吧，Muggs先生）。
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Thank you for calling it a mass murder not a mass Suicide small detail that people forget they were force to drink the cool aid at gun point
谢谢你把它称为集体谋杀而不是集体自杀，很多人都忽略了这个小细节，他们当时可是在枪口的逼迫下才被迫喝下毒药的。
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You can see the bodies have swollen in the heat. The stench must have been horrific.
你能看出那些尸体在高温下已经肿胀了。那股恶臭肯定恐怖到了极点。
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The documentary that has all of the tapes of him talking is so haunting. You get distracted by how nuts he is, but then by the end here, you're remembering that there are plenty of innocent people and children that are part of this. And even worse, the people who realized what was up with the drunk probably just got shot by the guards. What an awful event in human history.
那部收录了他所有谈话录音的纪录片，真是让人听了心里发毛。你起初会被他那副疯癫的样子给分散注意力，但看到最后，你就会猛然想起，这背后其实牵扯到了无数无辜的人和孩子。
更糟的是，那些看出这帮醉鬼到底在搞什么鬼的人，估计直接就被守卫给枪毙了。人类历史上真是发生了场可怕的悲剧。
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The hit squad sent by Jim Jones to assassinate congressman Leo Ryan opens fire on his plane and those waiting to board: https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/ue2aq0/the_hit_squad_sent_by_jim_jones_to_assassinate/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
吉姆·琼斯派出的刺杀国会议员利奥·瑞安的行刑队，向他的飞机以及在场等待登机的人开火：https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/ue2aq0/the_hit_squad_sent_by_jim_jones_to_assassinate/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Of those 909, 303 were children 17 and under. 100 of them weren't even 8.
在那909个人里，有303个是17岁及以下的孩子。其中100个甚至还不到8岁。
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How is this post not NSFW?
这条帖子怎么没打 NSFW（不适合工作场合）标签啊？
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It doesn’t seem like many until you realize the bodies are stacked up.
光看数字感觉没多少，但当你意识到这些尸体是堆叠在一起的时候，那感觉完全不一样了。
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If you want to know the full story, and have it told in the most compelling way, listen to the "God's Socialist" series of "The Martyrmade Podcast," by Darrel Cooper.
如果你想了解整个来龙去脉，而且想听听最扣人心弦的讲述版本，那就去听听 Darrel Cooper 在“The Martyrmade Podcast”里做的“God's Socialist”系列节目。
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The audiotapes of the suicides are bone-chilling, as people try to argue not to do it. Kids crying. Then silence.
那些自杀现场的录音真是让人听了脊背发凉，能听到人们在劝说对方别干傻事。还有孩子们的哭声。接着就是一片死寂。
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I remember this. And remember this happened long before the internet. You first saw the report in a newspaper, then the 5:30 national news. Then waited until the morning paper to learn more.
我还记得这件事。而且你要知道，那会儿互联网还没普及呢。你先是在报纸上看到了报道，然后是五点半的全国新闻。接着就得苦等第二天早上的报纸，才能知道更多细节。
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Reincarnation!
轮回！
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One of the craziest things about this tragic saga is the fact Jim Jones once had the support of leading Democratic politicians in California, appeared at an event with the First Lady (Carter's wife), and many of the leading leftist activists in the Bay Area supported him based on his social justice message. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, Jones was a narcissist involved in financial and sexual exploitation the whole time. These deaths hit the Black community of San Francisco particularly hard and I was told by a resident that during that time you couldn't find a Black family that didn't know someone who died in Jonestown.
这场悲剧性事件最荒诞的一点在于，吉姆·琼斯曾一度得到加州民主党高层的支持，还曾与第一夫人（卡特总统的妻子）同台出席活动，而湾区许多左翼领军人物也正是冲着他那套“社会正义”的说辞才支持他。然而讽刺的是，在幕后，琼斯一直是个沉迷于金钱与性剥削的自恋狂。这些死亡事件对旧金山的黑人社区打击尤为沉重，曾有当地居民告诉我，在那个时期，你根本找不到哪家黑人没有亲友死在琼斯镇。