埃里希·萨洛蒙博士(Dr. Erich Salomon)谎称手臂骨折,以便将相机藏在石膏里,从而拍摄美国最高法院——1932年。(1170x809)
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Jealous_Ad58491,510 赞2022/5/18
Pretty cool but why aren't pictures allowed?
挺酷的,但为什么不允许拍照啊?
PoshPopcorn1,656 赞2022/5/18
We still don't allow photos in *any* court in the UK, but it's a good question. Flash is distracting? Photos of witnesses could lead to problems? Those court artists have a really good union?
In the UK you can't even do the sketches in the court room, they're done from memory! But I think the supreme court here has been allowed to be filmed since its creation and they're starting to allow limited filming of important sentencing hearings in the crown court I read.
Well, even historically, Europe has made a lot of negative experiences with pillory. The main motivation is not making a spectacle out of it (See Depp vs Heard) or multigenerational drama (Most of human civilization), but it also serves the protection of everyone involved, even if that just protects their privacy. I do think that there are reasonable exceptions for those rules, but even then, it should happen in a very clear legal framework, which doesn't allow media exploitation.
Why even bother with sketches if they are done from memory? Everyone working in law enforcement should know how unreliable and easily altered memory is.
And they are lovely. It is such a distinct art style and it adds a lot to the news reports of a court case.
而且它们真的很棒。
这种艺术风格非常有辨识度,给庭审新闻报道增色不少。
Duamerthrax46 赞2022/5/19
Because an artist who's prepped to commit an image to memory, then draw it out will absolutely get better accuracy than some rando high on adrenaline who has to describe the image to another person. Edit: Also a courtroom artist can work with pictures taken from outside the courtroom for facial accuracy. It's just positioning and postures that the artist has to memorize.
Fr haha like why are you aggressive dude I was just incorrect
真实哈哈,真的,哥们儿你到底在急什么啊,我也就是搞错了而已。
IllustriousState6859407 赞2022/5/18
A . Because the whole exposure to the public concept could corrupt the motivations of the decision making process. If you know for fact it's just a job with no popular appeal, less chances of making a decision based on it being what the people want, instead of what the constitution permits/specifies. B. To prevent it from becoming a circus, ( That's actually a check on the powers of the 4th estate/press). C. I think it's more like a custom/tradition than an actual law.
A. 因为整个暴露在公众视野下的概念可能会腐化决策过程的动机。如果你明知这仅仅是一份工作,而且没什么大众吸引力,那么基于“民众想要什么”而非“宪法允许/规定什么”来做决定的可能性就会降低。
B. 为了防止它变成一场闹剧(这其实是对第四权力/媒体的一种制衡)。
C. 我觉得这更像是一种惯例/传统,而不是真正的法律。
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hunty9116 赞2022/5/19
Then why are the justices blatantly partisan and appointed by politicians?
那为什么大法官们会如此明目张胆地党派化,而且还是由政客任命的呢?
Thickensick149 赞2022/5/18
They pretend it’s so it doesn’t turn into a circus, but they just don’t want you to know that it’s a circus.
他们装模作样说是为了不让这里变成闹剧,但实际上他们只是不想让你知道,这地方早就是场闹剧了。
Andervon21 赞2022/5/19
They don’t even try to hide it. Every session is recorded and you can hear everything that happens. This website organizes years worth of cases in a good way. https://www.oyez.org Here is Bush v Gore: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2000/00-949
Oh geez...the Supreme Court is one of the key reasons our country has lasted for as long as it has...you might disagree with some of their rulings, but it doesn't change the fact that the US is only where it is because it has a balance of power...the Supreme Court being part of that balance.
While I agree with you, there have been a few egregious, shameful errors. Dred Scott, for one. But the most politically motivated, history changing SCOTUS decision was Bush v. Gore in 2000. Every time I hear MAGA outrage over 2020 “voter fraud” — backed up by zero evidence — I counter with the 2000 Election, where the brother of a candidate, the Governor of the deciding State, gets the Secy of State to stop counting the vote when — surprise — the Governor’s brother was conveniently ahead by **537 votes** When the FL Supreme Court ordered that the recount continue, SCOTUS —- by 5-4 (Conservative majority) — reversed that decision. The swing vote came from Justice O’Connor who later voiced regret for her decision. So, the 2000 Presidency, the popular vote of which Gore won by 600,000 votes, Gore lost by 537 Votes in the deciding state which then gave Bush a **one vote** Electoral College victory gave Bush the victory. And while we have no assurance that Gore would have been wonderful, we DO KNOW that Bush gave us 9/11, an endless war in the the Middle East, the 2008 Financial Crisis, extraordinary debt, etc., non of which was guaranteed under Gore. But Bush’s packing of SCOTUS was the biggest impact. Alito and Roberts, then decisions such as Citizens United, leading to the Trump debacle of three appointments, bringing a generation or more of Conservative leadership on the Court. And, to put an exclamation point on all of this, During the actual counting process in Florida during this election, once Bush was ahead by the handful of votes, Republican activists staged what became known as the Brooks brothers riot to pressure state officials to stop counting the votes. Along with Roger Stone, this pressure campaign was assisted by – – wait for it – – Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Comey Barrett, Who was rewarded for their efforts 20 years later by being appointed to the Supreme Court. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/politics/bush-v-gore-barrett-kavanaugh-roberts-supreme-court/index.html So, whenever I hear the bull$hit about the 2020 election being “stolen,“ I point out that there was indeed an election stolen in the 21st-century, and it has helped bring us to where we are today.
Its crazy teaching young people today in school and they have absolutely no idea what happened in the bush election. Like, it's a *very* important part of modern American history (and world history, if we're being honest) and it's mostly ignored.
The problem with history is that we keep making more of it, and history classes in school aren't getting any longer. Gets harder to cover the later stuff.
历史的问题在于我们一直在创造更多历史,而学校的历史课时长又没增加。想把越往后的内容讲完就越难。
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The fact is that the Bush v. Gore decision was necessary due to the state of the law. Bush challenged an order for a statewide recount because of the lack of a statewide standard in Florida for a recount. He said this violated his equal protection rights. The Court actually agreed with him 7-2 on that. The next question was the remedy and that's where the Court split...not exactly 5-4 because there were a lot of opinions and concurrences and dissents and part concurrences and part dissents...but let's say 5-4. The minority wanted Florida to create a statewide standard for a recount and conduct a recount despite the federal safe harbor deadline being the day after arguments. How would that have been possible? The majority just held that federal law dictated results must be in by the safe harbor deadline. Blame the Electoral Count Act of 1887. But if it makes you feel better, in studies done by the media and academic institutions, Bush wins most of the recounts and all of them done under any semblance of Florida law at the time. And filling two vacancies is not court packing lmao. When did "court packing" lose its meaning, which is expanding the court to get more of your people on it, and just become code for "appointing judges I don't like"? One Justice died, one Justice retired, and he replaced them both, and they were confirmed on bipartisan lines. How is that court packing?
The supreme court is filled with political actors just like the other branches, and limiting public access into their decision making processes is an unqualified bad thing.
I took a supreme court class in college. We went through every year of the court since its inception. On the whole, The decisions have held back progress and the people at nearly every turn. Obviously, there have been exceptions and court makeupups where that’s not the case. But for the most part, the decisions are made by very old white men who are way behind the times in the United States.
The fact he pulled this off in 1932, with this good of quality, when the smallest camera was still probably about the size of your fist is pretty damn impressive
Analog media is pretty impressive. Film can store a crazy dense amount of detail, we're just now getting digital cameras that compete with the quality film has had for over 150 years.
I believe I either read or watched something that basically said what your saying. Film has always been the better medium in terms of capturing details, reason why older movies can be released in 4k now with no upscaling needed. Reason being while digital cameras had barebones fidelity compared to it's film counterpart, it was simply more convenient plus you didn't have to worry about destroyed film during handling so it took off. Digital cameras have finally caught up to what film has been providing for us all this time.
Thats lots of nostalgia, imagination and out right lies from analog fans, through. You will not get 4k real resolution out of most movies shot before the 90s (and no, the pixel size on the video files do not count, you can scan any crap with 16k resolution). Film lenses were NOT sharp due to film being very dim and needing very wide apertures in addition to the fact that glass tech was much worse. Add to his generational losses and focus issues due to film motion during taking a shot, and you typcal film movie ariving in the cinemas had between 720p and 960p of real fourier limited resolution back then. 1080p digital projection was an _improvement_ in 90%+ of cases. The only thing that really was as good at people claim was large formad b/w still photography, but thats a whole different ballpark in terms of effort and just not compareable to anything we call "camera" nowadays.
Film shot in the standard 35mm size that goes back to the turn of last century will easily make 4k. Consider that movie theatres in the 1930s had a single screen and which were often more than 4 times the size of the screens of the multiplexes of today. And yet all that was needed to fill that jumbo screen was something (35mm film) that would easily fit in the palm [of] your grandmother's hand. [Sound & Vision](https://www.soundandvision.com/content/35mm-film-good-enough-4k-blu-ray)
I absolutely disagree. Older lenses absolutely WERE still quite sharp, past, say, the 1950s. The recent 4K masters are great evidence of this. Film speeds were slow but they often shot with very SMALL apertures, which is why if you look at damn near any film set photos from the time, there was a lot of lighting equipment, even on a very bright sunny day. Film also very specifically doesn't move while you're shooting. The mechanism is an intermittent movement setup, where the film stops while the shutter opens. You're not wrong about generational loss, film prints back then generally weren't very good, but given that I've got photographic lenses from the 1960s that can outresolve most modern photo sensors (far above 4K resolution), and these were *consumer* lenses, not extremely expensive cinema lenses, you're absolutely incorrect.
I think both of you are kinda missing out on the main reason for digitisation - it enabled lossless editing. It was all well and good if you could get every shot to be perfect, but god help you if you needed to do corrections.
1930s was not the stone age, its when cameras like this : became available off the shelf.
1930年代又不是石器时代,那时候像这种: 的相机都已经能在市面上买到了。
bankrobba124 赞2022/5/19
[That camera is still huge]()
[那相机还是大得离谱]()
TJeffersonsBlackKid21 赞2022/5/19
Lmaooooooooooo!
笑死我了哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈!
MiaouMiaou2743 赞2022/5/19
Yeah, I’m wondering how big that cast was.
对啊,我也在想那群演得有多大阵仗。
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There's a man leaning on a pillar behind the 3rd seated person. Almost looks like he is lighting a cigarette and his face is blurry. Do we know who he is?
第三排坐着的人后面有个男的靠在柱子上。看起来他好像在点烟,而且脸是糊的。咱们知道那是谁吗?
schmuber210 赞2022/5/19
That's the Cigarette Smoking Man, Mulder.
那是“抽烟的男人”,穆德。
tfg0at29 赞2022/5/19
Omg he's actually there
天呐,他居然真的在那儿。
gianini1023 赞2022/5/19
The truth is out there.
真相就在那儿。
TocTheElder77 赞2022/5/19
Honestly, my biggest take away from this is that a pre-1935 camera was small enough to fit inside an arm cast with enough room left over for the arm.
That is interesting. Perhaps security was a bit less tight back in that era.
这倒挺有意思的。可能那个年代的安保还没那么严吧。
StrategicBean27 赞2022/5/19
The photos are way better than that video & they were taken 3 quarters of a century earlier lol. Security has clearly gotten better or that activist didn't have the guts of the other 2 photographers lol
The camera in your phone is a lot smaller. But it is pretty small.
你手机里的摄像头要小得多。但它确实挺小的。
KingKalash8917 赞2022/5/18
Yuge
NuncErgoFacite150 赞2022/5/19
OK - I looked this up. Some funny stuff, with a dark ending. ​ The photographer died 7 years after taking this photos - he died in Auschwitz. The photo was taken in 1937 and he was not a doctor; despite the OP title. Erich is credited as one of two people to have photographed the US supreme court in session (as cameras of any kind have always been banned). ​ [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich\_Salomon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Salomon)
>Salomon fled to the Netherlands with his wife and continued his photographic career in The Hague. Salomon declined an invitation from *Life* magazine to move to the United States. He and his family were trapped in the Low Countries after Germany invaded in 1940. Yeah, that's incredibly dark.
Someone was missing I only count 8 justices and one empty chair
有个人缺席了,我只数出8位大法官,还有一把空椅子。
Petrichordates73 赞2022/5/19
The antisemite Scrooge, James Clark McReynolds.
那个反犹太主义的守财奴,詹姆斯·克拉克·麦克雷诺兹。
PM_ME_UR_TRIVIA26 赞2022/5/19
Yep, the worst of the Four Horseman. And that’s saying something. Dissented against a ruling that upheld the Social Security Act. "I can not find any authority in the Constitution for making the Federal Government the great almoner of public charity throughout the United States" Ya, that kind of asshole.
The Supreme Court pretends to be an honorable institution when in reality they are a grand council of elites debating on which human rights to curtail
最高法院装出一副德高望重的样子,但实际上他们不过是一群权贵在那儿开闭门会,商量着该剥夺哪些人权。
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Yeah. Hardly anyone is talking about the Ted Cruz case that they just came to a decision on which literally legalizes bribery. Well, legalizes it more. People are up in arms about the Roe v Wade stuff, which of course is bad, but don't realize that these people were put in court to entrench the power of those who already have it, and the culture war is flamed to distract people from what the powerful are doing to them.
没错。几乎没人讨论他们刚对泰德·克鲁兹(Ted Cruz)案作出的裁决,那玩意儿简直就是在让贿赂合法化。好吧,应该说是让它变得更“合法”了。
大家都在为“罗诉韦德案”(Roe v Wade)的事儿炸锅,这事儿当然糟糕,但人们没意识到,这些人被安插进法院就是为了巩固权贵阶层的势力,而挑起文化战争就是为了转移视线,让大家不去关注权贵们到底在对他们做什么。
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I’ll upvote for creativity but at the same time it’s a bit depressing that people hold this disgusting dookie outlook and still call themselves “informed.” Edit: couldn’t reply to a comment because I blocked someone in the thread, so just going to paste it here: That’s not “more or less” what was said in a 60 page document, and you know it (or, maybe you don’t, which is entirely possible since today’s media in general flat-out refuses to inform the populace). What was more or less said, however, is that the Supreme Court is not in the place of making laws, and that congress should get its ass in gear and do something. Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice (I’m personally pro-choice), that is an entirely legitimate viewpoint to have if you’re a member of the judiciary
bad take there's political biases in everything but the point of the supreme court is not to do what people want because they are not elected officials they have no such obligation. The point is to adhere to a particular view on interpreting the constitution, the one they claim when getting nominated, and remaining consistent to that view for the entirety of their term. This means doing only what the constitution doesn't/does allow in that interpretation and *not* what the people might want. The legislature is the place where what people want gets passed into law and court decisions are overturned.
Or maybe it is I don’t know, the fucking judiciary?
或者说,有没有可能这特么就是司法系统的锅?我哪知道。
LowerBackPain_Prod60 赞2022/5/19
Wasn't anybody suspicious when his cast would light up and explode into a cloud of gunpowder?
他那个石膏都会发光,还会炸出一团火药烟雾,难道就没人觉得不对劲吗?
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"Phil I know I've come off a bit paranoid in the past but that guy has been changing his cast's film for the last 30 minutes."
菲尔,我知道我过去表现得有点被迫害妄想症,但那个家伙过去30分钟一直在换他的镜头。
anjovis15051 赞2022/5/18
What was his motivation?
他这么做的动机是什么?
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To take a picture in the supremes court.
为了在最高法院拍照呗。
HoonArt65 赞2022/5/19
>supremes court All rise for the honorable Justice Diana Ross.
>最高法院
全体起立,有请尊贵的戴安娜·罗斯大法官(Justice Diana Ross)。
Babalugats21 赞2022/5/19
Dude was super interesting. His whole thing was capturing un-staged photos in the most hallowed halls of power. Supreme Court, League of Nations deliberations on German WW1 reparations, you name it- he was trying to get in and snap a picture. It's said he's the "father of candid photography"
Of course in 2022 is frankly ridiculous that SCOTUS sessions are not being recorded in Dolby ATMOS 10.4, at 8K/120/4:4:4 and transmitted on three different streaming services for all to see.
I’ll never forget when I visited in 2015. The usher mentioned no phones or cameras, about thirty seconds after she mentioned this all of our phones went off due to extreme storms outside. Everyone thought initially it was the government tapping into our phones or them busting someone for using it. Somewhat relieved to find it was just severe weather outside.
Cool that he was able to hide his iPhone 2G in his cast.
他居然能把 iPhone 2G 藏在石膏里,这也太牛了。
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The oldest of them was 7 years old when the American Civil War broke out lol
他们里面年纪最大的那个在美国内战爆发的时候才7岁,哈哈。
DCFinanceGuy6 赞2022/5/19
I got a chance to see a case I was familiar with being tried in the state Supreme Court. Really interesting style of argument much different that you’d expect.
我有机会在州最高法院旁听了一起我熟悉的案子。他们辩论的风格真的很有意思,跟你预想的完全不一样。
Jefe7106 赞2022/5/19
Unprecedented!
前所未有!
buttsoup244 赞2022/5/19
And those old hags are still on the bench... we need term limits!!