Names that should be remembered Cassie Bernall, 17 Steven Curnow, 14 Corey DePooter, 17 Kelly Fleming, 16 Matthew Kechter, 16 Daniel Mauser, 15 Daniel Rohrbough, 15 William "Dave" Sanders, 47 Rachel Scott, 17 Isaiah Shoels, 18 John Tomlin, 16 Lauren Townsend, 18 Kyle Velasquez, 16.
这些名字值得铭记
Cassie Bernall, 17岁
Steven Curnow, 14岁
Corey DePooter, 17岁
Kelly Fleming, 16岁
Matthew Kechter, 16岁
Daniel Mauser, 15岁
Daniel Rohrbough, 15岁
William "Dave" Sanders, 47岁
Rachel Scott, 17岁
Isaiah Shoels, 18岁
John Tomlin, 16岁
Lauren Townsend, 18岁
Kyle Velasquez, 16岁。
Lassy062,981 赞2022/2/5
Thanks for posting their names. They should be remembered. Not these two sweat stains. My first thought when I saw this post was that this happened recently enough that those poor victims all have friends and family that are still around, maybe on Reddit, and might stumble across this. I hope not.
My friend’s brother was murdered in Oxford on my birthday last year. My cousin managed to get out with his life, but he was in the line of fire. The victims are the names we need to uphold, not the terrorists who took these lives before they could begin. Thank you for thinking of them. Remember Madisyn Baldwin. Hana St. Juliana. Tate Myre. Justin Schilling. Oxford Strong. Edit: [This has a lot of likes, if you feel compelled to donate to help the families and communities in need, here is the Oxford Strong website. I don’t profit off this whatsoever](https://www.oxfordstrongcommunity.org)
I'm in Pontiac and how freaking awful. May they live on through our memory. RIP
我就在庞蒂亚克,这事儿简直太特么糟心了。愿逝者在我们的记忆中永存。安息吧。
EvilLibrarians49 赞2022/2/5
I’m down the road in Orion, on the edge of Pontiac. There’s nothing we can do but support our neighbors
我就在路那头的奥赖恩,离庞蒂亚克边缘不远。除了支持我们的邻居们,我们什么也做不了。
wizardzkauba408 赞2022/2/5
While I agree about who should be remembered, if you’re gonna post pics of any bodies from that day, it BETTER be these two and NOBODY else.
虽然我同意应该铭记那些人,但如果你非要发那天现场尸体的照片,最好只发这两个人的,别发其他任何人。
Lassy0691 赞2022/2/5
That’s a fair statement
这话没毛病。
StringOfLights116 赞2022/2/5
They are, of course, and so are all the kids who witnessed it and lived. I have a family member who was there, shot at but survived. He saw things nobody should see, let alone a kid at school. That sort of trauma cuts very, very deep.
Hell, I was born in 1980 and lived halfway across the country, and still think of that day as the day I left childhood behind. The fact that school shootings have since become almost normal is just mind numbing.
The 90's in some ways was a brief reprieve from the societal fear mongering of the 80's. It was still there in some ways, but the fear of satanic cults molesting and sacrificing children, crack cocaine panic, getting AIDS from touching a gay person...all that had really receded quite a bit. Then Columbine really felt like it started to ramp that back up some and 9/11 just killed any chance of escaping it and we've been back there ever since.
There is a brilliant episode of [The Doug Stanhope Podcast](https://youtu.be/hzkucR8FMSU) with Columbine survivor Brooks Brown that people should listen to, it pulls no punches and has some dark humour (helps cope with the horror) but it’s a story not often told about Columbine.
I’m friends with Rachel’s brother, they’ve seen it all at this point
我和雷切尔(Rachel)的哥哥是朋友,讲真,这种事他们什么大风大浪没见过。
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>In the list you intended: Names that should be remembered Cassie Bernall, 17 Steven Curnow, 14 Corey DePooter, 17 Kelly Fleming, 16 Matthew Kechter, 16 Daniel Mauser, 15 Daniel Rohrbough, 15 William "Dave" Sanders, 47 Rachel Scott, 17 Isaiah Shoels, 18 John Tomlin, 16 Lauren Townsend, 18 Kyle Velasquez, 16.
Great song, but the whole “she said yes” story was completely made up and became right wing propaganda.
歌是好歌,但整件事——也就是那个“她说愿意”的故事——完全就是编出来的,后来还成了右翼的宣传工具。
BurgerThyme15 赞2022/2/5
And the girl who actually said it was absolutely trashed by everyone who was insisting that "NO CASSIE SAID THAT THAT HAPPENED TO CASSIE IT'S IN A BOOK WE HITCHED OUR HORSE TO THIS WAGON." Shameful.
Yeah I've never seen this photo, just the grainy footage of them walking around
是啊,我之前从没见过这张照片,只看过那种画质渣到不行的监控录像,拍的是他们走来走去的样子。
MrCarnality1,144 赞2022/2/5
There must be other photographs taken at the scene by police & investigators. that day. I wonder if this is one of those and how it surfaced. And if we will see more. If so, I hope a warning is on the post. Very disturbing
There were but they weren't released. Their suicide photos were leaked and posted in a tabloid, I forget which one. Dylan mom talks about seeing it and the pain she felt from it.
Yeah I've read her book, easily the saddest thing I've ever read. I thought I would not feel bad because I think there were parental issues with E&D but she admits to them and is haunted by them. She's another victim of columbine.
There were cameras in the library that caught pretty much the entire shooting. The footage we've all seen of them walking through the cafeteria are the only ones that have been released to the public. Somewhere, locked in an FBI vault, is the full video of all of those kids getting murdered.
Yeah, no real sense keeping track of them since there's nothing vague about what happened. Wouldn't be surprised if they got destroyed after the investigation was over
I'd bet they were saved digitally once the tech really came around, and all physical evidence most likely not destroyed, in case the digital files are lost somehow, but somewhere incredibly secure
The film was destroyed in early 2000. It was destroyed at the order of the local sheriff. At the time reporters were trying to get it, a judge ordered it locked away and sheriff took it upon himself to destroy the film before it could be settled in court. Including "The Basement Tapes" that they made leading up to the shooting. There is some paperwork still locked away but likely will never be seen again
I watched the mosque shooting livestream and it still makes me ill when I think about it. Watching a woman beg for her life as he ran her over, then backed up to run back over her. The sheer terror as people tried to hide and protect loved ones. It was absolutely horrifying.
Christ that sub is all sorts of eff'd up. The post titles alone were enough for me to nope outta there. But I felt absolutely nothing other than "yup they dead, good"
You could argue they changed a lot more than schools. I think security in general in public places changed after this. People began to see just how easy it was for anybody to walk of the street and cause a lot of mayhem in a fairly short order. Of course 9/11 happened relatively soon after, so it's hard to say how much impact this event did have.
There were a lot of high profile cases around the same time that shook the country: Oklahoma City Bombing, abortion clinic shootings, unabomber, the first World Trade Center bombing, anthrax scare, Matthew Shepherd killing, plus all the serial killers… I still remember being taught in school to fear touching any blood due to the HIV risk. I think it’s impossible to say for certainty how much a single event changed us but the Colorado School shooting caused a ripple event of other schools having active shooters (but on a smaller scale). In Minnesota we had two school shootings that I know of not long after then my school actively began doing shooter drills as my school got active threats. A lot of eventual shooters idolize the fame these guys got (V Tech shooter for example)… it’s just a question of if our media didn’t actively publicize these idiots maybe the effect would have been much less significant?
Sandy Hook definitely of equal scale. Not that the others aren't impactful
桑迪胡克小学枪击案绝对是同等量级的。并不是说其他案子影响不够大。
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Sandy Hook to me was the shooting that made me lose hope in reform. If a bunch of dead small children didn’t create change I’m terrified to find out what will.
Yup. Some folks tend not to care about things until it directly affects them. Edit to correct
可不是嘛。有些人就是这样,不到火烧眉毛直接影响到自己头上,他们根本就不会在意。
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paintsmith257 赞2022/2/5
The only change it caused was the wholesale adoption of stochastic terrorism by the likes of people like Alex Jones who preemptively decided that the parents of the murdered children might possibly become powerful voices for gun reform in the future. So he targeted them immediately to destroy their credibility and lives because their very existence was potentially politically inconvenient for him.
This man is a monster, sadly he is not the only one.
这人简直是个恶魔,可悲的是,他并不是唯一一个。
k89019 赞2022/2/5
Iilluminaughtii channel makes a good summary about his [InfoWar and how it's funded](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2zDFnyBPBo). He pretty much live off via selling conspiracy theories and miracle drugs.
I’m pretty sure this shooting also changed the way police respond to shooters - the cops that showed up to columbine formed a perimeter and waited to go into the school while listening to the gunfire coming from inside (I forget why they were waiting). After Columbine, the new standard procedure for officers arriving to a shooting is to make contact with the shooters as soon as possible.
Previously a situation with gunmen inside with civilians meant it was a hostage situation, so they formed a perimeter and handled it like a hostage situation
I can't remember who, but one of the shooters was engaged by an officer who was already there. They exchanged fire, but both missed and whichever shooter retreated into the school.
also the 24/7 news cycle made people want to be infamous
还有就是 24/7 全天候滚动新闻,搞得人们都想出名想疯了,哪怕是臭名昭著也行。
greatGoD67129 赞2022/2/5
The 24/7 news cycle also normalized an avenue for revenge for a lot of outcasts or angry individuals. If it gets more people looking at erection pills or depression medication, ABC news has a place for it.
They lied about the whole trenchcoat mafia thing. There's reports that I think Harris was already dating college girls. They were certainly not outcasts or at least Eric Harris was not.
Correct. They were not the bullied outcasts people made them out to be.
没错。他们根本不像人们说的那样,是什么被霸凌的边缘人。
Snoo_6967723 赞2022/2/5
That’s why I support leaving shooters nameless and faceless. Talk about what they did, talk about the victims and the police response but don’t give them even an ounce of the attention they’re looking for.
It was mostly 9/11 that caused the staunch increase in security. You have no idea how easy it was to sneak onto a plane in pre-9/11 America. Security was virtually non-existent.
I STILL remember walking my grandma to the gate in 1999 when she took a trip to see her sister in Florida. Went on through security with my GameBoy, got a drink from Burger King, hung out with her and watched the planes from the window and hugged her goodbye when she boarded. Within two years that ended. I flew in November of 2000 and it was a breeze compared to the next time I flew in 2012. My whole family got through security faster in 2000 during a busy Friday evening at the airport than I did by myself at 6 AM on a Tuesday in 2012.
They sort of were the first school shooters from a mass-murder perspective. If you look at the list of incidents before them, it was mostly "shootings that happened at school" (usually with a targeted victim) rather than true school shootings where the aim is the indiscriminate killing of as many people as possible.
I think the[University of Texas shooting in 1968](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting) (15 victims on the day of) was the first truly random school shooting. However, it was \~30 years before the next "large scale" shooting (10+ killed, Columbine, there have been 6 in the US since Columbine), and 1968 had other events going on that it was probably easier to "write off" as "just something else that happened during that shitty year." (~~Vietnam, assassinations of RFK, and MLK Jr., protests all across the country).~~ Edit: It was in 1966 not 1968.
There is an excellent film about that shooting called *Tower* that you should check out if you're interested. It's told from the viewpoints of the survivors and people who were there. It's a terrifying story, but somehow manages to be not a sad or disturbing film since it's honestly about surviving a tragedy rather than wallowing in the horror of it all. And they never mention the shooter's name once or show a picture of him. I have to say that that particular shooter is someone whom I feel a modicum of sympathy for. His autopsy found a large brain tumor, and he had known something was wrong with him. He had been seeking help for his increasing psychotic and violent impulses, but mental health care wasn't very advanced back in those days. It obviously doesn't excuse what he did, but it seems that a part of him was at least trying to not do it, and a brain tumor is hardly something you can control. It's impossible to imagine how the tumor was making him perceive the world.
I did, thanks. I thought he was wearing a WWF RAW shirt at first.
我看了,谢了。我一开始还以为他穿的是件世界摔角娱乐(WWF)的 RAW 节目T恤。
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I thought it was a Metallica shirt or something like that
我还以为那是 Metallica 的周边T恤或者类似的玩意儿呢。
J_huze60 赞2022/2/5
Ironic. Those bitches genes aren't living on. Rot in Hell. GL HF.
真是讽刺。那群碧池的基因绝后了。下地狱烂掉吧。祝好运,下辈子再见(GL HF)。
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godisyay986 赞2022/2/5
Scary they set up bombs and propane tanks all outside throughout the parking lot and the only reason they didn't go off was due to a rubber connection on the clocks they purchased.
Funny enough they nearly disappeared after 9/11, because after that everyone pretty much assumed hijackers were going to yeet the plane into a building, whereas before they just had the pilots return to the airport, which I'm pretty sure Flight 11 was treated as a routine hijacking before the news started rolling.
Well, no. They also severely upgraded cockpit security. You used to have little barrier to getting into the cockpit, now they all have heavy reinforced doors. If you've ever noticed your pilot going into the restroom during a flight, a flight attendant now blocks the aisle while they're in there to prevent anyone from rushing to the front of the plane.
i've read for airlines the other pilot stays in the cock pit and the cockpit stays locked, so someone can't really "rush to the front of the plane". in 2015 there was plane in france where the pilot went to the bathroom and the copilot set the plane on a course to crash into a mountain. the pilot came back but it's impossible to get into the cockpit these days, he was yelling and screaming at him to not do this, futily smashing a drink cart into the door, it smashed into the mountain a few minutes later killing 150 people. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27244-germanwings-co-pilot-deliberately-crashed-plane-after-locking-out-captain after that they changed the rules to where there's always two people in the cockpit, if the pilot goes to the bathroom then one of the flight attendants goes into the cockpit now
This was already the case in the US. Another crew member goes into the cockpit and the door is locked until the pilot gives the signal they’re ready to come back, typically an intercom call to the flight deck. International carriers didn’t always have this rule, which allowed the Germanwings accident to occur. Additional rules usually include another flight attendant blocking the aisle and ensuring the seatbelt sign is on before the pilot leaves the flight deck.
Wouldn't the only building they would want to fly into be the high school?
他们唯一想撞的建筑不就是那所高中吗?
9182tlm123 赞2022/2/5
As malevolent narcissistic psychopaths, I imagine they would take great delight in causing as much wanton destruction as possible, anywhere they could.
作为那种丧心病狂的自恋变态,我敢说,能在任何地方搞出这种肆意破坏,他们肯定爽翻了。
whatishistory51853 赞2022/2/5
Exactly. Hence the bombs. Don’t quote me but I believe I read had the plan actually worked they would’ve killed 100+ students. Fucking terrifying. Evil cowards.
They didn’t do this because they were bullied, if that’s your point. It’s a common misconception. They were just shit heads.
如果你想说的是他们是因为被霸凌才这么干的,那你就错了。这是个常见的误区。他们纯粹就是帮烂人。
thebrandnewbob40 赞2022/2/5
Even worse, they set up bombs that would have destroyed the cafeteria during lunch time. If their full plan had worked a lot more lives would have been lost.
They calculated the most devastating time for the bombs to go off, too. In “Columbine” by Dave Cullen they discuss the fact the cafeteria usually had hundreds of kids in it at that time.
I got to be there for the unveiling, I went to a local high school at the time and we all walked a couple miles from my school to the park where the memorial is located. I’ve never experienced anything else like it, we weren’t the only school to walk and the group kept getting larger and larger as more and more schools converged on that walk. Damn I completely forgot about this memory
Haunting. A stain on the American psyche. My respect to you
令人心惊。这是美国国民心理上的一道伤疤。向你致敬。
jfasching9910109 赞2022/2/5
My mother visited this memorial the same day my brother and I (we’re both physically okay) were in the Century movie theater Batman shooting. The world works in strange ways
Maybe it's because I'm getting older and softer, but even though I'm well aware of the horrific evil these two did and the lives ended and others ruined, I still can't help but imagine what their parents must have gone through. Those two were once someone's perfect and innocent babies. While my deepest sympathies are with the families of the victims, my heart still goes out to the parents of these two as well.
Sue Klebold wrote a very insightful book about her experience. It talks about how when she was told her son might be the shooter that she wanted him to kill himself so that he wouldn’t hurt anyone else. Her entire experience was a nightmare too, but she wasn’t allowed to grieve in the eyes of many. Edit: it sounds really harsh but also she knew that the outcome would be horrific. Either Dylan would be killed by police or he would come out alive as a horrific murderer. If he killed himself she would know he left on his terms but also was no longer a threat.
Phenomenal book. Could not recommend it enough. She does a fantastic job describing the grief that comes with a loved one committing a horrendous crime and what it's like hating and loving that person at the same time. She did a ton of research on grief, crime, and mental health trying to understand it all. One of the best memoirs I've ever read.
> She does a fantastic job describing the grief that comes with a loved one committing a horrendous crime and what it’s like hating and loving that person at the same time. I had a friend who tried to kill two people. It wasn’t on the same level as Columbine, but the attack was fucking brutal and completely out of the blue. It’s almost been 13 years, and I still have a hard time reconciling that the same person I was friends with since junior high is also the one who committed such a heinous act.
I listened to the audiobook that she narrated and I couldnt recommend it enough. She answers a lot of questions in a way that nobody else could, and there were many instances where I had to pause to reflect on the uniqueness and terribleness of her position. All proceeds from her book are donated to brain health organizations, which is cool too.
In a different thread on Columbine long ago, a user mentioned that his mother had sent a small statue and flowers to either Klebold’s or Harris’s mother, as she had lost her son that day, too. I thought that was very kind.
It's really terrible. I feel like we like to look down on these parents...but the reality is, even if the parents knew something was wrong, even if they reached out for help--there isn't help in American healthcare/society to deal with situations like this. It's like, oh, they're not actively killing anyone? Ok, take them home.
The thing about psychopaths is that they're REALLY good at hiding it until they want it to be known, too. I bet the parents probably just thought their kid was depressed or in a moody teen emo phase. I dated a psychopath and what I remember most is that his family was SO normal, and his mom was actually pretty strict. He was rude to me in front of her once and she absolutely ripped into him. Didnt change how he turned out though. Other than that one instance, he acted totally normal around her
He was diagnosed while I was dating him. Is actually called antisocial personality disorder, psychopath is a much more colloquial term for it. I thought nothing of it because a pretty large section of our population is diagnosed with it, usually businessmen, and they lead totally normal lives. That wasnt the case for him. He became abusive af after we graduated high school and his mom wasnt around to control him anymore, and the things he would say just made the diagnosis really obvious. literally used to brag about how he was proud of being a psychopath and how easy it was to manipulate people. He even told me his ultimate goal was to manipulate me into killing myself because then he could know he killed someone without getting caught or tried for it since there wouldn't be any physical evidence. Not that he never got physical with me to scare me, but he was careful to not leave enough damage or obvious bruises to raise any outside suspicions. And I was a dumb teen that had just moved out on my own, so I believed him when he said he'd kill my pets in front of me if I tried to leave him (and my pets are my everything after growing up in a shitty family and then being further isolated from friends by this guy). Still believe he would've done it. I stayed with him till his roommate figured out what was happening when Id stay the night there, and the roommate got me out. So me and pets are safe now and I just celebrated 5 years of marriage with that same roommate
This is called compassion. There can even be compassion for the experiences and culminating causes that led to these two doing what they did. "Fuck them" is no help in this world, and literally the cause of this incident. Tragedy is tragedy across the board. To try and find blame you would have to trace back every action to the beginning of time. All people are simply biomechanical dip switches reacting to the psychological and environmental factors that exist in the organism/environment continuum.
It’s this mentality (“fuck them” not the comment) that fosters thoughts of being a monster and no one can help you. The stigma of mental health problems need to be extinguished. People need to be able to talk, be encouraged to seek help, but mostly be lived and guided.
Everyone is for mental health care until it gets ugly. Taboo, violent thoughts and urges can be a part of mental illness. Stigmatizing and ostracizing anyone who has these thoughts leads to more violence. Like, it's obviously their fault and they did something utterly unforgivable, but I don't think it's their fault that they had those urges. It's mental illness. Of course, politically motivated shootings like Charleston and Christchurch are a completely different story. Those people are not mentally ill. They are simply terrorists.
It’s good to feel compassion to all, even the shooters. When we reorient ourselves to seek that for all, I think it sets us up for a more compassionate society overall where we try to care for all.
I have a perfect, innocent baby son right now. Sometimes I look at him and think, "Please stay this way. Please stay this good." Obviously I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure he's a good person, but it's not entirely up to me.
Its like a coworker of mine. Her son went to prison for molesting three young children between the ages of 6 and 12. How do you wrap your head around raising a child molester or murderer.
This is obviously a wildly unpopular thought on here, but I also have compassion for these two kids as well. Mentally/emotionally/psychologically healthy kids obviously don't go on killing sprees. These kids had serious issues that no one was addressing. Not saying that in any way it justifies what they did, but it feels heartless and cruel to say that the answer here is anything other than trying to ensure that no kids ever feel like shooting up a school again.
Many people remember Columbine as a school shooting. What many don't know, is that it was actually failed bombing. This event could have been *so* much worse, had the IEDs gone off and the plan unfolded as intended. The shooting occurred as plan B, after the explosives failed to detonate.
In summation, there were 99 bombs total; 30 exploded at Columbine during the massacre; 46 failed to go off in the school including the huge propane bombs in the cafeteria. 2 more bigger bombs were in a nearby field as a diversion but only caused a small fire. 13 were found unexploded in their cars, and 8 back at their homes. Those that exploded in the school were pipe bombs, “crickets” or gunpowder filled carbon dioxide cartridges, and molotov cocktails. It took the explosive experts (33 people total from various groups) a week to clear the entire school, they ended up finding 357 pieces of explosive devices. There’s a section in the wikipedia article about the explosives but the [Jefferson County Columbine report](http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/BOMBS_TEXT.htm) has more detail. It’s horrifying and fascinating to read. It’s incredibly lucky that the amount of explosives didn’t cause more harm.
Thats just crazy. The two large ones make sense, very easy to place. All those small ones though… so much planting to be done. I wonder how they pulled that off.
The small ones - pipe bombs, crickets, etc - they carried themselves. They carried these in their cargo pants and backpacks, with strikers taped to their forearms. They didn’t plant these in advance, but threw them as they moved throughout the campus.
Holy shit How is this not talked about more when Columbine gets discussed? This wasn't just a bullied kid losing it and shooting up a school, this was a detailed and planned domestic terrorist attack
Honestly, if they just did "fuck all" then things would be better. They haven't even done "fuck all". They've done worse as they've actively dismantled support systems.
I have a friend with good private health insurance and a son struggling with mental health issues. She has been struggling desperately for several years to get him the help he needs. Every psychiatrist she tries isn’t taking new patients. She makes too much to qualify for free programs for him. The programs offered through her child’s public school don’t take private insurance, and only serve kids on Medicaid….the American mental health care system is broke .
"Mental health" is always touted but let's be honest it's a bunch of bullshit. Why exactly do people in America suddenly have this poor "mental health?" Why don't we see this stuff happen in Europe if it's just "mental health?" We treat each other like shit. Our jobs treat us like shit. All the stuff we buy is supposed to make us feel good but the feeling never lasts. We're so obsessed with the idea of manly men who kill people that we won't even see movies unless it's about roided up dudes murdering the "bad guys." You could give everyone a therapist and it wouldn't fix it. It's our culture. We're on the brink of destroying ourselves and we're still being told that it's just an "individual problem," and the solution is a little dab of therapy. We don't need therapy. We need rebuild our society from the floor up. Pay prople a living wage. Let people spend time with friends and family. Stop humping this tired old idea that being violently unhinged is manly or cool. We need to stop treating each other like absolute shit.
Erics' elder brother Kevin felt massive guilt trip after the shooting, as he went away to attend college when he knew Eric had major issues. He must be so devastated.
Sue Klebold talks about this in her book, about how tough it was grieving Dylan’s suicide while also knowing that he’d chosen to spend his last few hours on earth doing evil.
This may get me a lot of hate for saying, but, the families of these school shooters have a very very rough grieving process. As much as we want to hate the shooters and as much as we want to blame the family, remember that their memories of the shooter include that person’s entire life. The moment they were born, their first words, their first steps. The nights that they were sick and just wanted their mommy. There was a beautiful child within each one of these kids. The family grieves that. The contrast between those moments and there final moments of the shooters life is an almost incomprehensible gulf. No one can imagine what that is like. Now pile on the guilt and all of the hate the family has to endure. The family suffers. Whether they deserve it or not is a different question.
No they weren't but I cannot even imagine the feelings he felt, and I hope he does better now
不,他们并不是,但我根本无法想象他当时的感受,只希望他现在能好过一些。
SpaceEdgesBestfriend1,351 赞2022/2/5
Ruined those books with his dumb brains
用他那猪脑子把这些书全毁了。
PirateOnAnAdventure128 赞2022/2/5
My thought exactly.
我也是这么想的。
OGWhiz1,235 赞2022/2/5
To the people that keep reporting this for not having the NSFW tag, it was tagged NSFW before it was even approved. It is YOUR responsibility to have your NSFW settings turned on.
Yeah, yesterday leprosy made it to and now this. Hm
是啊,昨天才刚看到麻风病相关的帖子上了热门,现在又来这一出。啧。
properkush787 赞2022/2/5
2 cowards lay dead, nothing to see here
两个怂包躺平了,没啥好看的。
46n2ahead232 赞2022/2/5
They should've just done that shit at home and leave people alone Worthless meat bags
他们本来就该在自己家里搞这些破事儿,别去祸害别人。
简直是没用的行尸走肉。
LezPlayLater367 赞2022/2/5
Good riddance to bad rubbish
祸害除尽,大快人心。
hermit-throwaway335 赞2022/2/5
I was thinking of asking 'does anyone remember when this was just about the worst thing that had ever happened in US schools?' and realized it's 2022, and a lot of people here *wouldn't* remember. I mean, I was only 5 when this happened and only learned about it in the early 2000s, but until the Virginia Tech shooting in ~~2006~~ 2007, this was just this one, absolutely horrible thing that had never happened before (at least massacres like the ~~Texas A&M~~ University of Texas shooting years earlier hadn't gripped the nation in the same way.) Now we have a generation of people who've *only* known school shootings being a regular occurrence.
Virginia Tech was 2007. I still remember my parents watching it on the news that evening.
弗吉尼亚理工枪击案是 2007 年发生的。我还记得那天晚上我爸妈看新闻时的情景。
jew_with_a_coackatoo64 赞2022/2/5
Yep, I'm 21 and this was before I was born, for me, shootings are just a thing that happen. When I was in high school kids would joke about doing one to get out of school and bomb threats would happen at least once a year in some of the nearby schools.
Man I was born in 02 and the columbine shit doesn’t even freak me out or click as something groundbreaking in my head. There have been rampant school shootings as long as I’ve been in school. And I think that lack of fear and acceptance of that as a really is the scariest perr
It’s widely regarded that Klebold suffered before he died, He shot himself through the temple with a 9mm, so he was knocked unconscious by this because the placement is around the temporal lobe and frontal lobe areas of the brain. So I don't think he suffered. The autopsy states, Final Anatomic Diagnoses: 1. Through and through close contact large calibre gunshot wound involving the left side of the head (region of the left temple) associated with: A. Brain injuries - lacerations and contusions B. Skull fractures C. Subdural hemmorhage 2. Aspiration blood lower airway and lungs COMMENT: The autopsy findings in this case reveal that the cause of death is due to brain injuries secondary to a close contact, large calibre, through and through gunshot wound involving the left side of the head. This gunshot wound is consistent with self-infliction. While the autopsy is a bit questionable, it mentions that there was blood in his lungs and throat. This most likely was the direct cause of death. EDIT: Autopsies can be viewed [here](http://www.acolumbinesite.com/autopsies.php)
大家普遍认为克莱伯德(Klebold)死前受了罪。他是用9毫米手枪朝自己太阳穴开的枪,因为位置正好在颞叶和额叶区域,那一枪直接让他当场昏迷了。所以我并不觉得他受了啥罪。
尸检报告显示:
最终解剖诊断:
1. 左侧头部(左太阳穴区域)贯穿性近距离大口径枪伤,并伴有:
A. 脑损伤——撕裂伤和挫伤
B. 颅骨骨折
C. 硬膜下出血
2. 下呼吸道和肺部有吸入性血液
备注:本案尸检结果显示,死亡原因是左侧头部近距离大口径贯穿性枪伤导致的继发性脑损伤。此枪伤符合自杀特征。
虽然这份尸检报告有点争议,但它提到了他的肺部和喉咙里有血。这极有可能是他死亡的直接原因。
编辑:尸检报告可以在[这里](http://www.acolumbinesite.com/autopsies.php)查看。
gogopogo310 赞2022/2/5
People seem to be hung up on this so IELI5 \-A gunshot through the temple killed him, because it caused him to fall unconscious and choke on a massive amount of blood that came from the gunshot. \-He died of asphyxiation because in the immediate time while his "personality and decision-making" brain was puddling on the floor, the "hardwired, constantly running" software in his brainstem continued to make his heart beat and his lungs breathe. Which suddenly and unexpectedly pulled a bunch of blood into his lungs, which he could not cough out, being a mushy-brained doormat at this point. Which directly resulted in him having an arrest and dying, on the floor.
Cheyene-Stokes respirations or agonal breathing is the term for this. I've seen it on a few suicides with brain matter splattered on the wall but heart is still beating - of course not for long and the best outcome if they live is being a vegetable.
Yep. They had a few Tec-9's, too. These dudes were hardcore mall ninjas with a limited budget, they gave money to an older guy to straw-purchase their stuff at a show. So glad they were inept at making bombs, or that day could have been much worse.
One of their school aged classmates bought one of the guns for them, too.
他们还有个上学的同学也给他们买过一把枪。
Caedus_Vao93 赞2022/2/5
Robyn was 18, a legal adult for purchasing long arms. They specifically asked her because she would be able to do it. In her defense, I believe her naivety in thinking they wanted them for target practice, which is what they told her.
It is. This shooting happened during the first awb.
确实。这次枪击案就发生在那次突击武器禁令(AWB)生效期间。
RandomMan01251 赞2022/2/5
Caption: School shooter #1 and school shooter #2 lay dead, having chosen to take their own lives instead of face the consequences of their evil actions. As far as I'm concerned these fuckers don't deserve names. Slap a serial number on them so there's something identifiable for historians and researchers to use and write their names out of the record. They wanted notoriety? Let them wallow in anonymity while people remember their victims instead.
I agree and am glad news outlets and info sources are doing more to take away their fame. There are many recent shooters who you can no longer find on wiki and I think that’s a step in the right direction. Fuck these dumbass worthless kids
No kidding, same. I never specifically went looking for these photos, but have seen my fair share of this kind of stuff. I just kind of assumed these either didn't exist or would never see the light of day.
I was a Junior in HS when this happened. I made a point of never knowing their names and will continue to do so. 2 more pieces of trash in the dump. As someone else posted already... Names that should be remembered: Cassie Bernall, 17 Steven Curnow, 14 Corey DePooter, 17 Kelly Fleming, 16 Matthew Kechter, 16 Daniel Mauser, 15 Daniel Rohrbough, 15 William "Dave" Sanders, 47 Rachel Scott, 17 Isaiah Shoels, 18 John Tomlin, 16 Lauren Townsend, 18 Kyle Velasquez, 16.
这事儿发生时我还是高中三年级的学生。我当时就特意不去记那两个人的名字,以后也绝对不会去记。垃圾堆里又多了两个垃圾。
正如别人已经贴出来的……
应该被铭记的名字:
Cassie Bernall, 17岁
Steven Curnow, 14岁
Corey DePooter, 17岁
Kelly Fleming, 16岁
Matthew Kechter, 16岁
Daniel Mauser, 15岁
Daniel Rohrbough, 15岁
William "Dave" Sanders, 47岁
Rachel Scott, 17岁
Isaiah Shoels, 18岁
John Tomlin, 16岁
Lauren Townsend, 18岁
Kyle Velasquez, 16岁。
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I went to Columbine. I graduated in 1998. Edit: I don’t have too much to add. I don’t have any secrets. I was away at my first year in college when the shooting happened, and a kid down the hall came to wake me up and said there’s something happening at your high school. I then went to my buddy’s dorm and watched it. His little brother was there. My friend, who still lived with his mom in Littleton went to the elementary school to help. I just kind of sat there. The worst part was talking to my mom on the phone. She cried so hard, and we all felt that survivors guilt even if I wasn’t there. My mom told me she was glad I wasn’t there, but that upset her more because she knew kids had died that day. That night, she couldn’t sleep because the sheriffs department was detonating the bombs left behind. She could hear it from our house a mile away. That bothered her too. I didn’t go down to my moms cause I was a dumbass and lacked that awareness. I don’t remember the rest of the day. I think it was mostly just existing. I skipped classes to be there with my friend and talk to people on the phone. Here’s a reply to a reply someone made, then deleted. I spent a while writing it, so I feel like posting it for anyone to read if interested: > I think one of them might have been in one of my classes. They were one year below me, I think, so it would’ve been only electives like Spanish. I do distinctly remember that Brooks kid, though. > Bullying was out of control when I was there, and I think it was especially bad among people in my senior class. I have no doubt those two were targets of bullying by kids in my year, or they witnessed how other kids were terrorized by the bullies. One kid was kicked down the stairs by the dominant group of kids. I remember that distinctly. I, personally, tried to stay away from that (bullying) group of kids. Even I felt a bit of hatred for them, but I wasn’t ever the target of the bullying. > There was a group of kids who openly rebelled against the white middle class social norms by the way they dressed and acted. I remember those kids. Those were the kids who were the target, and probably were in the same social sphere as the shooters. I was always a pretty nice kid, and I wasn’t part of either the bullying group or the counter culture group. I didn’t take part in either. I would say I was friendlier to the counter culture kids, though, cause I knew how much some of the kids at my school sucked, and I didn’t see a reason to be mean to them.
Must have been very hard when this happened and an odd feeling for you I imagine :(
这事儿发生的时候一定很难熬,我能想象到那种感觉有多怪异 :(
marimba79123 赞2022/2/5
Fuck those assholes. I’m a teacher, and I hate that we have to do active shooter drills.
去他妈的那些混蛋。我是个老师,我真恨透了我们还得搞什么枪手演习。
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That honestly gets me so fucking irate. The fact that our modern educators such as your honorable self have to prepare for the hypothetical wild fucking west is just nauseating. If it’s worth anything, you have my upmost respect.