老妇人带着仅有的一幅丈夫的画像和一只猫离开被炸毁的家
一位老妇人离开了她的家，随身只带了一张她丈夫的肖像和几块地毯。俄军只给了她5分钟的时间打包离开，随后就摧毁了她的家以及里面的一切。她的儿子和丈夫都已经去世了。她失去了一切。1995年5月，格罗兹尼 (1024 x 682)
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sposterig2,321 赞2022/1/17
they repeated it in Syria and now are going to repeat in my country, Ukraine. Actually, Ukraine did not raise its voice for Chechenians. We thought it was not our business.
他们在叙利亚重演了这一套，现在又要在我所在的乌克兰故技重施。
说实话，当初乌克兰对车臣人的遭遇并没有发声。我们那时觉得这事儿跟我们没关系。
Aklapa01190 赞2022/1/18
I sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that
我真心希望这种事儿别真的发生。
schoener-doener76 赞2022/1/18
it's today's russia, that's their only game plan
这就是当今的俄罗斯，这就是他们唯一会玩的把戏。
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Welcome
To Putin’s version of the third reich
欢迎来到普京版的第三帝国。
sposterig232 赞2022/1/17
thanks, but we would prefer to decline this invitation. And, I'm afraid, in *not* very polite way.
谢了，但这邀请我们还是敬谢不敏。而且，恐怕我会用一点儿也不客气的方式拒绝。
MightyMorph19 赞2022/1/18
join nato get a defensive force together and sanction the shit out the oligarchs backing putin. these motherfuckers care about one thing only money. Putin wants his climate change fantasy to become real, that's why hes leading anti-science movements all around the globe. Having politicians fly out to russia for in person briefings and shit. Only way to deal with a bully like putin is to punch him back hard. Let him keep jacking botox and facelifts pretending to be a teen, but his masters will want their flesh if they dont see access to their funds.
加入北约，集结一支防卫力量，然后把支持普京的那些寡头往死里制裁。这帮混蛋只关心一件事：钱。
普京想让他那种气候变化阴谋论的幻想变成现实，所以他才在全世界范围内带头搞反科学运动。还让政客们飞去俄罗斯搞什么面对面简报之类的烂事。
对付普京这种恶霸，唯一的办法就是狠狠地回击。就让他继续打他的肉毒杆菌、做他的拉皮手术，装得像个青少年吧，但只要他那些金主没法动用资金，他们就会从他身上扒下一层皮来。
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kingofthemonsters180 赞2022/1/18
As funny as it would be to watch a random redditor fight Putin, that dude is ex kgb and can probably throw hands like a mini Fedor.
虽然看个随便哪来的红迪网友跟普京打架确实挺逗的，但那家伙毕竟是前克格勃，真动起手来估计跟个迷你版菲多（Fedor）差不多。
heliamphore44 赞2022/1/18
He most likely can not, it's a manufactured propaganda image. The guy is a botox-filled manlet who worked a desk job and pretended to be a judo expert. I'd be more worried about him shitting his pants like his Seagal friend did.
他大概率没那两下子，那全是包装出来的宣传形象。这货就是个打满肉毒杆菌的矮子，以前只干文职，纯属在那装柔道大师。
我反而更担心他会不会像他那个西格尔朋友一样，直接吓得拉裤兜子。
Chemical-Cream816531 赞2022/1/18
Putin is also a black belt in Judo.
普京好歹还是柔道黑带呢。
set_null53 赞2022/1/18
There is some dispute over whether that’s really an earned title, based on the videos we have of him doing judo
关于他那所谓的头衔到底是不是名副其实，大家还有点争议，毕竟我们看过的那些他练柔道的视频摆在那儿呢。
marquicuquis29 赞2022/1/18
He is a master of deception, ill give him that.
他确实是个玩弄权术的高手，这点我承认。
JungleTrevor52 赞2022/1/17
Original comment: I don’t know a lot about Russia’s current actions, but I do know that China has millions of Uighur Muslims in concentration camps within their country. That definitely is the Third Reich. Edit to satisfy I don’t know a lot about Russia’s current actions. I have seen and heard for the last year from countless news outlets that China has been isolating and detaining individuals identified as Uighu Muslims. I suspect that information is largely limited due to censorship from the Chinese Communist Party. While I have no means of proving this, based on past censorship efforts by the CCP in HK, Tibet, Taiwan, as well as the Tiananmen Square Massacre, I don’t think its farfetched that they would be utilizing similar censorship efforts now. Current reporting as listed below suggests a minimum of hundreds of thousands of people being mistreated based on their religious beliefs, due to CCP censorship, I believe it is possible there are millions of Uighu Muslims being persecuted in China.
原评论：
我对俄罗斯现在的行动了解不多，但我确实知道中国国内有几百万维吾尔族穆斯林被关在集中营里。那绝对就是第三帝国那一套。
为了满足 而作的编辑：
我对俄罗斯现在的行动了解不多。但在过去的一年里，我从无数新闻媒体上看到并听说了中国一直在隔离和拘留那些被认定为维吾尔族穆斯林的个人。我怀疑由于中国共产党的审查制度，这些信息在很大程度上是受限的。虽然我无法证明这一点，但基于中共过去在香港、西藏、台湾的审查行径，以及天安门广场事件，我觉得他们现在采取类似的审查手段并不令人意外。正如以下列出的时事报道所暗示的那样，至少有几十万人因宗教信仰而遭受虐待；由于中共的审查，我认为中国确实可能正有数百万维吾尔族穆斯林遭受迫害。
FapingAGoGo49 赞2022/1/18
Nah that’s Xi’s Third Reich, not Putin’s Third Reich. Easy mistake to make because Authoritarian atrocities look the same no matter what political bullshit they claim to be.
不，那是习的“第三帝国”，不是普京的。
这俩容易搞混，毕竟不管打着什么政治扯淡旗号，独裁者干出的暴行看起来都一个德行。
terfsfugoff18 赞2022/1/18
“Authoritarian” is a completely meaningless term but I actually think there’s a pretty huge discrepancy between atrocities. Like the US concentration camps for Japanese during WWII? An atrocity. I don’t think though that it looked just like the Holocaust. Although in fairness Hitler did think America’s genocides were inspiring source material.
“独裁”这个词根本就是扯淡，但我确实觉得这些暴行之间存在巨大的差异。
比如二战时美国搞的日裔集中营？那确实是暴行。但我不觉得那看起来跟大屠杀是一个样。
不过说句公道话，希特勒确实觉得美国的种族灭绝是很有启发性的参考素材。
InerasableStain45 赞2022/1/18
First they came for the Chechenians, but we did not speak out because we did not think it our business. Then they came for the Syrians, but we did not speak out because we were not Syrians. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
起初他们抓车臣人的时候，我没有说话，因为我觉得那不管我的事。接着他们抓叙利亚人的时候，我没有说话，因为我不是叙利亚人。后来他们来抓我时，已经没有人能站出来为我说话了。
BAdasslkik46 赞2022/1/18
Nobody "spoke" for Chechens because every country recognized Chechnya as part of Russia, if they challenged them suddenly it brings separatists movements legitimacy in their own country.
根本没人为车臣人“说话”，因为各国都承认车臣是俄罗斯的一部分，要是他们突然跑去质疑这点，那不就等于给自家国内的分裂势力递刀子、给他们合法性了吗。
savabienaller32 赞2022/1/17
And my country(Canada) sent a puppet in Ukraine to take a couple picture and come back saying "we tried". I really wish you good luck guys
再看看我所在的国家（加拿大），派了个傀儡去乌克兰拍了几张照片，回来就说“我们尽力了”。真心祝你们好运。
drugusingthrowaway20 赞2022/1/18
> And my country(Canada) sent a puppet in Ukraine to take a couple picture and come back saying "we tried". What are you referring to?
> 再看看我所在的国家（加拿大），派了个傀儡去乌克兰拍了几张照片，回来就说“我们尽力了”。
你是指什么事？
1,397 赞2022/1/17
Fuck Boris Yeltsin
去他妈的鲍里斯·叶利钦。
246 赞2022/1/18
Fuck Putin
去他妈的普京。
178 赞2022/1/18
Lemme help you with that brother. **Fuck Putin and his cabal of mafia thugs.** ​ They exemplify the entire reason you don't leave specific people in power for long periods of time.
兄弟，让我帮你一把。
**去他妈的普京和他那帮黑手党暴徒党羽。**
他们完美诠释了为什么绝不能让某些特定的人长期把持大权。
491 赞2022/1/18
and the Clinton's alongside him.
还有他身边的克林顿一家。
230 赞2022/1/18
Ah yes specifically that Clinton named George HW Bush who was in office for more than a year after the fall of the Soviet Union
啊对，特指那个叫乔治·H·W·布什的“克林顿”，他在苏联解体后还当了一年多的总统呢。
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I honestly can't think of a good president, besides maybe Jimmy Carter, in the last 50 years, they're all peices of shit. And Carter mainly because he is a good person, not really a good president.
说实话，过去50年里我真想不出有哪个称得上“好”的总统，吉米·卡特可能算一个吧，但他们全都是烂货。而且卡特也主要是因为他是个好人，而不是因为他是个好总统。
54 赞2022/1/18
Well that tends to happen when you spend the course of your Countries history grooming your population into a two party system that has the majority of the population cast their votes based on nothing more than "at least they're not the red/blue guy".
当一个国家花了一整部历史的时间，把国民驯化进一套两党制，导致大多数人投票时仅仅是因为“至少他们不是红/蓝那一边”时，这种情况往往就会发生。
54 赞2022/1/18
The Clinton administration was instrumental in pushing Yeltsin at a time when Russians were trying to bring back some of the better social policies that they had under the USSR. It's kind of insane Hilary talked about Russian meddling after what that administration in particular did with its PR campaign to get Yeltsin elected. Edit: I also voted for Biden. I have no illusions that Trump was a worse candidate than Hillary, but the line for being a good politician was miles back from where the Dems and Reps stand now. They don't get credit because the U.S. still did shit like this to other countries, no matter what party. They're doing the same thing now with Russia and China, the former of which is so appallingly poor it's laughable to consider them a threat. China has a billion people in addition to the U.S. population and still has a lower GDP (but a higher GDP by PPP). China has nowhere near the military capabilities we do. This is absurdly weak and cruel.
克林顿政府在俄罗斯人试图恢复苏联时期一些较好的社会政策时，极力推动叶利钦上位，在这件事上起了关键作用。
希拉里居然有脸谈论俄罗斯干涉选举，考虑到当年克林顿政府为了让叶利钦当选所搞的那套公关攻势，这简直荒唐透顶。
编辑：我也投给了拜登。我对特朗普比希拉里更烂这件事没有任何幻想，但现在无论是民主党还是共和党，他们所表现出的政客水准距离“优秀”二字差了十万八千里。他们不配获得称赞，因为无论哪个党派执政，美国依然在对其他国家干这种烂事。他们现在对俄罗斯和中国也还在干同样的事，前者穷得令人发指，把他们当成威胁简直就是笑话。中国的人口比美国多出十亿，GDP总量依然比我们低（不过按购买力平价计算GDP更高）。中国的军事实力距离我们还差得远呢。这种做法既荒谬无能，又残酷至极。
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Well yes. Absolutely him as well. But Clinton was doing everything he could do fuck up Russia for 8 years no?
嗯，没错。当然也得算他一份。但克林顿当了8年总统，难道不是一直在竭尽全力搞垮俄罗斯吗？
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No, fuck USA for propping him up, enabling him through the whole of 90s, allowing him to rob and sell off Russia piece by piece.
不，去他妈的美国，是他们一直在背后撑腰，整个90年代都在给这家伙开绿灯，任由他把俄罗斯一点点瓜分、变卖。
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Blame the US for Russians destroying Russia
把俄罗斯搞垮的锅还要甩给美国？
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what did the US do?
美国到底干啥了？
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Made for a convenient distraction from Russian incompetence.
这不过是掩盖俄罗斯无能的方便借口罢了。
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Serious answer, skipping everything leading up to it because you don't want to read that much: After the fall of the Soviet union, American diplomats, consultants, and businessmen were instrumental in restructuring the governments and economies of former Soviet bloc countries. Naturally these advisors shaped these things in a way that they considered favorable to the interests of the US and its business community. (One of the most prominent was rather famously given a position in the Biden administration!). The Soviet territory was effectively partitioned into a set of private fiefs run by individuals that were granted control over whole industries like aluminum, steel, etc. Boris Yeltsin was a notoriously corrupt sack of crap swept into power in some extremely dodgy elections and helped to oversee the destruction of the Soviet system using the same method pioneered by the British to neutralize resistance: 1. Find local people hungry for power and easily controlled with extravagant gifts and luxery. 2. Bribe, threaten, coerce, any means necessary to get them into power. 3. Make their new position precarious by creating other competing power figures that make them constantly dependent on your protection. 4. Withdraw and allow your puppets to battle it out providing no energy with which they may plot against you. If one becomes too powerful or has an attack of conscience for betraying his countrymen, withdraw his support and equip his rivals or subordinates to remove him. 5. Rinse, repeat.
说点正经的，鉴于你也不想看太长的长篇大论，我就直接跳过那些前因后果了：
苏联解体后，美国的那些外交官、顾问和生意人在重组前苏联集团国家的政府和经济体系中起到了推波助澜的作用。很自然地，这些顾问在规划时，满脑子想的都是怎么才对美国及其商业圈有利。（其中最著名的一位后来甚至还进了拜登政府，这事儿挺出名的！）
苏联的领土实际上被瓜分成了若干个私人领地，由那些获得铝业、钢铁等整个行业控制权的人掌控。鲍里斯·叶利钦就是个出了名的贪腐人渣，他靠着几场极度猫腻的选举上台，并在所谓的“重组”中监管了苏联体系的瓦解——用的正是当年英国人用来瓦解反抗势力的那套老把戏：
1. 寻找那些渴望权力、又容易被奢华大礼收买的人。
2. 通过贿赂、威胁、威逼等任何必要手段，把他们扶上台。
3. 制造出其他竞争对手，让他们的地位岌岌可危，从而使他们不得不时刻依赖你的保护。
4. 抽身离去，任由你的傀儡们互相撕咬，这样你就不用耗费精力去防范他们搞什么小动作。如果谁变得太强，或者因为出卖同胞良心发现想要反水，就撤掉对他的支持，转而武装他的竞争对手或下属去干掉他。
5. 循环往复，屡试不爽。
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And that's why Ameica controls the former Soviet Bloc. Oh wait? No. Thats weird they don't. Odd how the former KGB who spent the 80s planning for the fall of the Soviet bloc and acquiring hard currency have been in control for decades. Weird that after all your "evidence" US interests and businesses have almost no influence!!!
噢，照你这么说，美国应该能完全掌控前苏联集团才对咯？等等，不对啊？奇怪了，他们并没有掌控啊。真够离奇的，那些在80年代就盘算着苏联垮台并大肆搜刮硬通货的前克格勃人员，怎么反而掌控大局几十年了呢？最搞笑的是，在你列出那堆“证据”之后，结果却是美国在那儿的利益和企业几乎毫无影响力！！！
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I think I'd recommend rereading my comment more closely before I try to respond. As I said, the British colonial method is what was used here. Local people are used in place of foreign occupation.
我觉得在我回复之前，你最好还是把我的评论再仔细读一遍。就像我说的，这里用的是英国殖民那一套。用当地人来代替外国占领。
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Ran their economy better and outcompeted the Soviets.
他们把经济搞得更好，而且在竞争中把苏联干趴下了。
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The USSR was not dissolved due to its economic conditions, and historians specializing in the USSR believe that, despite slowed growth, their economy was unintentional to collapse without other significant stressors. The USSR was dissolved through political mechanisms that have been described charitably as "controversial" and perhaps more accurately as a political coup. It did not represent the will of the citizens of the USSR. Edit:
[Link to Ask Historians thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/rwlz7z/did_perestroika_really_disolver_the_soviet_union) about the relationship between the dissolution of the USSR and economic conditions and reforms under Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
苏联解体并非是因为经济状况，研究苏联的历史学家们普遍认为，尽管当时增长放缓，但如果没有其他重大压力源，单凭经济原因苏联是不至于崩盘的。
苏联是通过政治手段解体的，这些手段被委婉地描述为“有争议的”，但更准确地说，这就是一场政治政变。这根本代表不了苏联公民的意愿。
编辑：
[Ask Historians 帖子链接](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/rwlz7z/did_perestroika_really_disolver_the_soviet_union)，讲的是苏联解体与戈尔巴乔夫及叶利钦时期经济状况和改革之间的关系。
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Partial responsibility certainly rests with the US, but certainly not all of it.
美国确实要负一部分责任，但绝对不是全部。
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When Russian hackers help Trump its “they elected him” When US government outright helps Yeltsin win elections, and at one point even had CIA watchdogs at old KGB offices that’s “partial responsibility”
当俄罗斯黑客帮了特朗普一把时，那就是“他们选出了他”。
当美国政府明目张胆地帮叶利钦赢得选举，甚至一度让中情局的监视人员蹲守在克格勃旧办公室时，那反倒成了“部分责任”。
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Anyone saying they "elected him" is just as wrong as the poster saying the US is somehow the most responsible for a rival superpower fucking up Chechnya. They may have been *a part* but they weren't even remotely close to the biggest part.
任何说他们“选出了他”的人，和那个说美国对对手超级大国把车臣搞得一团糟负有最大责任的发帖人一样离谱。
他们或许是起到了*一点*作用，但离“最大推手”还差得远呢。
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The title is somewhat misleading. Here's the photographer's comment (https://viiphoto.com/vii-event/40-years-of-photography-1981-2021-outside-the-frame/ ): > During the first Chechen conflict (1995-1996), I made five trips to Grozny, but this time Minutka Square, a strategic access point in the capital, was unrecognizable. Everything had been razed to the ground. I had only just arrived, and this was the first picture I took. The woman had been forced to leave after the Russians blew up all the buildings so that Chechen fighters could not come back and hide there. Her husband and two sons were dead. All she had was the picture of her husband and two carpets. So the lady is a more mundane war refugee — her home was destroyed by Russian forces, but it was not specifically targeted / cleansed with no military reason. She even got a warning, which is more than most civilians on a battlefield are likely to get. War is shit.
这个标题有点误导人。这是摄影师本人的评论 (https://viiphoto.com/vii-event/40-years-of-photography-1981-2021-outside-the-frame/ )：
> 在第一次车臣战争期间（1995-1996），我曾五次前往格罗兹尼，但这次，作为首都战略要地的米努特卡广场（Minutka Square）已经面目全非了。一切都被夷为平地。我刚到那儿，这就是我拍下的第一张照片。俄军炸毁了所有的建筑物，以防车臣武装人员回来藏身，这名妇女被迫离开了。她的丈夫和两个儿子都死了。她所有的家当就只有她丈夫的照片和两块地毯。
所以这位女士只是个普普通通的战争难民——她的家是被俄军毁了，但并不是被针对性地定点清除或种族清洗。她甚至还收到了撤离警告，这在战场上对于平民来说已经算好的了。战争真他妈是个烂摊子。
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"An old woman leaving her home with just a portrait of her husband and rugs. Russian soldiers gave her just 5 minutes to pack her bags and leave before they destroyed her home and everything in it. Her sons and husband were already dead. She had lost everything" Versus "The woman had been forced to leave after the Russians blew up all the buildings so that Chechen fighters could not come back and hide there. Her husband and two sons were dead. All she had was the picture of her husband and two carpets." I'm struggling to see the difference? Is it just that your source described a possible reason WHY they blew her house up, as opposed to the title that says they did it but didn't bother explaining why?
“一位老妇人只带着她丈夫的肖像和地毯离开了家。俄军只给了她5分钟时间收拾行李，然后就炸毁了她的房子及里面的一切。她的儿子和丈夫都已经死了。她失去了一切。”
对比
“俄军炸毁了所有的建筑物，以防车臣武装人员回来藏身，这名妇女被迫离开了。她的丈夫和两个儿子都死了。她所有的家当就只有她丈夫的照片和两块地毯。”
我实在看不出这两者有什么区别？是不是仅仅因为你的来源解释了他们为什么要炸她房子，而标题只说了他们炸了房，却懒得解释原因？
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> I'm struggling to see the difference? The title is trying to make us think that she was at home, Russian soldiers came, gave her five minutes to pack, made her leave and then blew up her house. Now, that's not what cited photographer says. > The woman had been forced to leave after the Russians blew up all the buildings so that Chechen fighters could not come back and hide there. Her husband and two sons were dead. All she had was the picture of her husband and two carpets. He only says she was forced to leave after Russians blew up all the buildings, and all she had left was a picture and two rugs. "Forced to leave" is key here. Without further info we could also assume the whole event unfolded like this: she was not at home, Russians came and destroyed the town, her house included, she came back to the site of her former home, found only the picture and carpets worth saving and now, having no more home to stay, was "forced to leave". The problem is without finding that woman (or some credible witness) and asking her what exactly happened we can only second guess. The photographer doesn't mention neither five minutes, nor that Russians forced her to leave (she might've been forced to leave because of consequences of their actions, but not strictly by them). And just to add, I'm not trying to defend anyone here. I'm just trying to clear up and explain how easy it is to misconstrue or misinterpret what happened based on limited information. Also, I'm trying to show how easy is to manipulate with information. Nowhere does the photographer (unless OP knows him or the old lady personally, and has access to more information than what has been cited here) mention five minutes or that Russians specifically forced her to leave, but that's nevertheless clearly claimed in the title.
> 我实在看不出这两者有什么区别？
标题是想诱导我们认为：当时她正在家里，俄军闯了进来，给了她五分钟时间收拾行李，强迫她离开，然后炸毁了她的房子。
但摄影师引用的原话并不是这么说的。
> 俄军炸毁了所有的建筑物，以防车臣武装人员回来藏身，这名妇女被迫离开了。她的丈夫和两个儿子都死了。她所有的家当就只有她丈夫的照片和两块地毯。
他只是说在俄军炸毁所有建筑物后她被迫离开，而她剩下的家当只有一张照片和两块地毯。
“被迫离开”是这里的关键词。在没有更多信息的情况下，我们甚至可以推测整个事件的经过是这样的：她当时并不在家，俄军来摧毁了这个镇子（包括她的房子），她回来后发现原址只剩下照片和地毯值得带走，于是现在没了家住，也就只能“被迫离开”了。
问题在于，如果不找到那个女人（或者某个可信的目击者）去问清楚到底发生了什么，我们只能在那瞎猜。摄影师根本没提什么“五分钟”，也没提是俄军直接强迫她离开的（她可能是因为俄军行为造成的后果而被迫离开，而不是被他们直接驱逐的）。
顺便补充一句，我不是在帮谁洗地。我只是想理清并解释一下，基于有限的信息来曲解或误读事实是多么容易。同时，我也想展示利用信息操纵舆论是多么简单。摄影师本人从没提过“五分钟”或俄军具体强迫她离开（除非发帖人私下认识他或那位老妇人，并且拥有比这里引用的更多的信息），但标题却言之凿凿地这样断言了。
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When i read the second explanation I felt way better for the old lady
看了第二个解释之后，我对那位老太太的感觉好多了。
36 赞2022/1/18
I’m really bad at recognizing sarcasm but I think your comment might be it?
我这人真的不太会看反讽，不过我觉得你这条评论是不是在阴阳怪气？
19 赞2022/1/18
I think some people think that it's ok for terrible things to happen if there is a good "reason" for it. It feels true, but that is just a lie to make people feel better.
我觉得有些人觉得只要有个“理由”，糟糕的事情发生也就无所谓了。这听起来好像很有道理，但那不过是骗自己好受点的鬼话罢了。
20 赞2022/1/18
The original title kind of suggests that the Russians blew here house up just to be assholes, not for strategic reasons.
原标题给人的感觉，好像俄军炸她房子纯粹是为了当混蛋，而不是出于什么战略目的。
59 赞2022/1/18
The strategy was to advance their war of ethnic cleansing. Not sure how that’s any better but the pro-Russian bots are out in force ahead of the Ukraine invasion so idk.
当时的战略目标就是推进他们的种族清洗战争。我也不确定这到底是好在哪儿，但现在乌克兰那边的战事在即，那些亲俄的水军都在疯狂出动带节奏，所以我也不好说。
16 赞2022/1/17
tease impolite worthless absorbed edge grandiose aware abundant simplistic knee *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
戏弄 不礼貌 无价值 沉浸 边缘 自大 察觉 丰富 简单化 膝盖 *此帖已被批量处理并匿名化*
19 赞2022/1/18
What part misled you?
哪一部分误导你了？
332 赞2022/1/18
Every time there is anything about Russian war aggression, there are so many comments trying to bring other countries into it, or defending Russia as right for their actions. It’s sad
每次一有关于俄罗斯战争侵略的内容，评论区里就会冒出好多人，要么想把别国拖下水，要么在那儿给俄罗斯的行为洗白，觉得他们做得对。真够可悲的。
195 赞2022/1/18
Russian bots trying to downplay and excuse their war crimes. They are everywhere on reddit. They're working full hours now leading up to the invasion of Ukraine.
俄罗斯的水军在试图淡化并找借口开脱他们的战争罪行。Reddit 到处都是这种人。现在离入侵乌克兰越来越近了，他们可是在全天候加班加点地干活呢。
32 赞2022/1/18
They've been working full time since Trump decided to run for President turning him from a shitpost into the Manchildian Candidate. He did more damage in 4 years than the Commies did in the entire cold war.
自从特朗普决定竞选总统以来，他们就一直在全职开工，硬是把他从一个发烂梗的喷子包装成了“巨婴候选人”。他在四年里造成的破坏，比冷战时期那帮共产主义者搞出的烂摊子还要大。
30 赞2022/1/18
Tankie mindset. "Yeah but your country did it too!" Yeah, doesn't mean I fucking like it...
典型的坦克党（Tankie）思维。
“是啊，但你们国家也干过这种事！”
没错，但这并不代表老子他妈的就喜欢这样……
179 赞2022/1/17
This is insanity you can't even fathom.
Meanwhile my whole day is ruined if my stock portfolio drops one percent. Puts things into perspective.
这疯狂程度简直超乎你的想象。
与此同时，我的股票投资组合要是跌了一个点，我整个人一天就全毁了。这么一比，真是让我看清现实了。
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Really makes you think, huh? I just feel like such a spoiled, pampered, impossibly lucky human being given how much of the world lives like this or has gone through things like this. Just fucking mind-blowing.
真让人深思，对吧？一想到世界上还有那么多人过着这样的日子，或者经历过这些苦难，我就觉得自己真是个被宠坏了、娇生惯养、运气好到没边的家伙。简直他妈的太震撼了。
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weird flex but ok
虽然有点莫名其妙，但行吧。
125 赞2022/1/17
Tragic. War on Chechnya was savage on both sides
太惨了。车臣战争对双方来说都极其残忍。
47 赞2022/1/18
Huh I wonder why the Chechens acted so mean
呃，我纳闷车臣人为什么表现得那么恶劣。
111 赞2022/1/17
yea on both sides, especially the russian. bombing civilians is always a great way to win wars isnt it
是啊，双方都这样，尤其是俄军。轰炸平民一向是打赢战争的绝佳手段，对吧？
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19 赞2022/1/18
You sure it weren't the islamic insurgents, which attempted to create Islamic state, because they thought Russia is too weak to stop them?
你确定不是那些试图建立伊斯兰国、觉得俄罗斯太弱拦不住他们的伊斯兰叛乱分子干的？
23 赞2022/1/18
Should they have just let an unrecognized government take over their borders? Chechnya was not a country, and for the Russian government to recognize it as one would essentially nulled their own independence. This isn't autocracy vs democracy, this is just how every country reacts to a militant separatist group in their borders.
难道他们就该任由一个未被承认的政府接管自己的边境吗？
车臣当时并不是一个国家，俄罗斯政府要是承认它是个国家，那无异于否定了他们自己的独立地位。这根本不是什么独裁与民主的较量，这就是每个国家在面对自家境内的激进分裂组织时都会有的反应。
95 赞2022/1/17
Post title make it seem like Russian soldiers deliberately destroyed the house but as we can see in the background the whole city was leveled because of the intensity of the fighting. Also Chechens won the first war and as soon as they did they organised an “Islamic State” (rings any bells) with Sharia law and death penalty for being infidel. So pick your sides guys.
帖子的标题搞得好像是俄军故意炸了那栋房子一样，但我们从背景里能看出来，整座城市都因为战斗太激烈而被夷为平地了。
再说，车臣人赢了第一次战争后，立马就搞了个“伊斯兰国”（听着耳熟吧？），还实行伊斯兰教法，对异教徒处以死刑。所以大伙儿自己选边站吧。
50 赞2022/1/17
The Russians blew up every building to prevent Chechens from returning to the city and using it as cover. Technically it was deliberately destroyed
俄军炸掉每一栋建筑，是为了防止车臣人回到城里并把这儿当成掩体。
从技术上讲，这确实是蓄意摧毁。
64 赞2022/1/17
And Putin ended the second war by... giving Chechnya nearly full autonomy and making terrorist leader [Akhmad Kadyrov](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhmad_Kadyrov) head of the Chechen Republic. He was succeeded by his even-less-sane son [Ramzan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov) in 2004, and today he's practically a law unto himself running an Islamist state under Putin's protection. It's like the Good Friday Agreement but shit in every way.
普京结束第二次车臣战争的方式是……给了车臣几乎完全的自治权，还让恐怖分子头目[阿赫马德·卡德罗夫](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhmad_Kadyrov)当上了车臣共和国的领导人。2004年，他那更疯批的儿子[拉姆赞](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramzan_Kadyrov)接了班，如今这家伙简直成了土皇帝，在普京的庇护下经营着一个伊斯兰国度。
这就像是《贝尔法斯特协议》（Good Friday Agreement），但从各方面来看都烂透了。
30 赞2022/1/17
I don’t support making peace with terrorists but other option was to continue the war indefinitely and get many more thousands of boys and civilians killed in the conflict.
我不支持跟恐怖分子讲和，但另一个选择就是无限期打下去，然后让成千上万更多的年轻人和平民在这场冲突里送命。
18 赞2022/1/18
oh thank god they actually erased the whole city, I was afraid it was actually just her house. They had us in the first half, not gonna lie... I mean they even gave them warnings before they destroyed the whole city(as pointed out by an equally as good comment), I've never seen a more humane act. Also, I really have to thank the Russians for their willingness to give people their independence and for not resulting in power voids and conflict zones that would be otherwise thriving habitats for extremist groups.
噢谢天谢地，他们是真的把整座城市给夷平了，我还担心毁的只是她家房子呢。他们开头那一手确实把我们给骗到了，说实话……我的意思是，他们甚至在毁掉整座城市之前还给出了警告（正如另一条同样精彩的评论所指出的那样），我从没见过比这更“人道”的行为了。
还有，我真的得感谢俄国人，感谢他们愿意给人们独立，感谢他们没有制造出权力真空和冲突地带——毕竟要没他们，那些地方现在指不定成了极端组织繁衍生息的乐园呢。
20 赞2022/1/18
“They actually didn’t destroy her house intentionally because as you can see in the background they also destroyed the rest of the houses in Grozny as well” Are you stupid?
“他们其实并不是故意要摧毁她的房子，因为如你所见，背景里格罗兹尼其他的房子也都被毁了。”
你脑子瓦特了吗？
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Google image search brought up [this french site](https://www.linternaute.fr/sortir/guide-des-loisirs/1322357-visa-pour-l-image-2022-les-dates-de-la-prochaine-edition/2566584-retrospective-eric-bouvet). I don't know about the credibility, though. >War photographer Eric Bouvet has traveled the world for 40 years to immortalize conflicts and their victims. Here in Chechnya, February 2000. "I came to Grozny five times during the first war in 1995-1996, but I don't recognize Minutka Square, the great southern gateway to the capital. Everything has been razed to the ground. I have just arrived, this is my first image. This woman was chased from her home by the Russians who dynamited all the buildings for fear that the Chechen fighters would return to hide there. Her husband and her two sons are dead, All she has left is her husband's portrait and two rugs." [Another site](https://viiphoto.com/40-years-of-photography-1981-2021-outside-the-frame/) also has the story >Photo by Eric Bouvet / VII. Chechnya, 2000. During the first Chechen conflict (1995-1996), I made five trips to Grozny, but this time Minutka Square, a strategic access point in the capital, was unrecognizable. Everything had been razed to the ground. I had only just arrived, and this was the first picture I took. The woman had been forced to leave after the Russians blew up all the buildings so that Chechen fighters could not come back and hide there. Her husband and two sons were dead. All she had was the picture of her husband and two carpets. [The photographer's own website](https://ericbouvet.com/Chechnya-wars) has the photo filed under the Chechnya war I'd say the story sounds legit.
谷歌搜图搜到了[这个法国网站](https://www.linternaute.fr/sortir/guide-des-loisirs/1322357-visa-pour-l-image-2022-les-dates-de-la-prochaine-edition/2566584-retrospective-eric-bouvet)。不过我也不确定可信度如何。
> 战地摄影师埃里克·布维（Eric Bouvet）四十年来奔走全球，记录冲突及其受害者。这是2000年2月的车臣。“我在1995-1996年第一次战争期间去过格罗兹尼五次，但现在已经认不出米努特卡广场（Minutka Square）了，那是通往首府南部的主要门户。一切都被夷为平地。我刚到这里，这是我拍的第一张照片。这个女人被俄罗斯人赶出了家，他们炸毁了所有建筑物，担心车臣武装分子会回来躲藏。她的丈夫和两个儿子都死了，她剩下的只有丈夫的遗像和两块地毯。”
[另一个网站](https://viiphoto.com/40-years-of-photography-1981-2021-outside-the-frame/)也有这个故事：
> 埃里克·布维 / VII 摄影。车臣，2000年。在第一次车臣冲突（1995-1996）期间，我曾五次前往格罗兹尼，但这一次，作为首府战略要地的米努特卡广场已经面目全非了。一切都被夷为平地。我才刚到，这是我拍下的第一张照片。这个女人是在俄罗斯人炸毁所有建筑物以防车臣武装分子回来藏身之后，被迫离开的。她的丈夫和两个儿子都死了。她所拥有的全部家当，就是丈夫的照片和两块地毯。
[摄影师本人的官网](https://ericbouvet.com/Chechnya-wars)也将这张照片归档在车臣战争目录下。
我觉得这故事挺靠谱的。
33 赞2022/1/17
It's 2022 and these warlords are still living in the stone age. Also goes to show how useless the UN is when it matters.
都2022年了，这些军阀还是活在石器时代。这也充分说明了联合国在关键时刻到底有多废。
30 赞2022/1/17
And then the Russians let Chechnya become a brutally repressive islamic dictatorship....
然后俄国人就任由车臣变成了一个极其残暴压迫的伊斯兰独裁国家……
19 赞2022/1/18
From what I understand Chechnya used to be mainly Sufi. One of the most open minded versions of all the Judaic religions. Then the Saudis started building them 'free' mosques...
据我所知，车臣以前主要是苏菲派。这可是所有亚伯拉罕诸教中最开明的一支了。
结果沙特人开始给他们建那些“免费”的清真寺……
27 赞2022/1/17
That’s war for you Edit:Also did you know top it R/historyporn
这就是战争啊。
编辑：还有，你知道这事儿在 上很火吗？
16 赞2022/1/17
Dont do war, kids
孩子们，千万别打仗。
20 赞2022/1/17
Can anyone help me understand why rugs would be the thing she chooses to save?
有谁能帮我理解一下，为什么她偏偏要选地毯来救？
78 赞2022/1/17
For sentimental value (husband or sons made/bought them), to use for warmth, they could be valuable to sell or they could have been all that was left in good condition. A combination of those or maybe even all, who knows...
因为有情感寄托（丈夫或儿子做的/买的），或者是为了取暖；再者，地毯可能很有转手价值，又或者它们是当时唯一保存完好的东西了。可能是这些因素的组合，甚至全中，谁知道呢……
30 赞2022/1/17
Keep you warm and more dry. Valuable, portable. Could be the only thing she has left of her family (may have inherited them from her parents, may have been wedding presents). There are a lot of reasons.
能保暖，还能防潮。不仅贵重，而且方便携带。这可能真的是她家人留给她的唯一念想了（可能是从她父母那儿继承的，也可能是结婚时收到的礼物）。原因多着呢。
25 赞2022/1/17
I’m guessing family heirloom. Rugs are expensive and more portable than other things that she probably wanted to keep. If you’ve got five minutes you don’t have time to grab the smaller things that are spread about. Also, she might have memories of her kids playing on the rugs. This is all speculation.
我猜是传家宝。地毯这玩意儿挺贵的，而且比别的那些她想带走的东西更好搬运。要是你只有五分钟时间，根本来不及去捡那些散落在各处的零碎物件。再说，她可能还留着孩子们在地毯上玩耍的回忆。当然，这些都只是我的猜测。
18 赞2022/1/17
Could very well be handmade by her or an ancestor
说不定就是她自己或者哪位先人亲手织的呢。
8 赞2022/1/17
Fuck they absolutely levelled Grozny
妈的，他们把格罗兹尼彻底夷为平地了。
5 赞2022/1/18
Stuff like this is actively happening in Israel with Americans bulldozing homes that have existed for generations because a religious book said it's theirs.
这种破事儿正在以色列上演，美国人甚至在那儿推平那些几代人住下来的房子，就因为一本宗教书上写着那是他们的地盘。
5 赞2022/1/18
While the people of the North Caucasus are firmly under Russia now, I always admired how long they kept their struggle for independence going despite the disparity in force.
虽然北高加索人民现在确实是在俄罗斯的严密控制下，但我一直挺佩服他们的，尽管双方力量悬殊，他们还是硬生生把独立斗争撑了那么久。
4 赞2022/1/18
It's so important for me to remember that just because it's called history it doesn't mean it was that long ago. It's so easy to be apathetic and believe these things could never happen again. Frightening reminder of how frigid the world is and how quickly things can go from not so bad to really, really bad.
对我来说，时刻提醒自己这一点非常重要：别以为叫它“历史”，就觉得那是很久以前的事儿。
我们太容易变得麻木，觉得这些事儿永远不可能重演。这真的是个令人胆寒的警示，提醒着世界有多冷酷，局势又能在多短的时间内，从“没那么糟”变得“烂到极点”。
4 赞2022/1/18
Russian world in it's finest.
“俄罗斯世界”的典范。
4 赞2022/1/17
You are the biggest country in the world by landmass and you have one of the biggest natural resources in the entire world and you stole land and resources from countries like Ukraine and Georgia, why? What insecurities trigger in russians this behavior? Based on your resources alone you should be in top five economies of the world... and yet your behind Italy.
你们明明是领土面积全球最大的国家，还坐拥全世界最丰富的自然资源之一，却还要去抢乌克兰和格鲁吉亚这些国家的土地和资源，这是图个啥？
到底是什么样的自卑感，才会让俄罗斯人做出这种行径？
单凭你们的资源，本应稳坐全球经济前五的宝座……可结果呢，你们居然混得连意大利都不如。
4 赞2022/1/18
I'll take "Reasons why God doesn't exist" for 200 Alex.
我选“上帝不存在的理由”，给钱吧，亚历克斯。
3 赞2022/1/18
But now we must pick up every piece Of the life we used to love Just to keep ourselves At least enough to carry on And here's where your mother sleeps And here is the room where your brothers were born Indentions in the sheets Where their bodies once moved but don't move anymore And it's so sad to see the world agree That they'd rather see their faces fill with flies All when I'd want to keep white roses in their eyes
但现在我们必须拾起每一块碎片
拾起那段我们曾深爱的生活
仅仅是为了支撑自己
勉强活下去
瞧，这是你母亲安睡的地方
这是你兄弟们出生的地方
床单上留下的凹痕
那是他们曾经活动过、如今却再也不会动弹的地方
看到全世界都认为
宁愿看到他们脸上爬满苍蝇
真让人心碎
而我只想在他们的眼眸中留下白玫瑰
3 赞2022/1/18
I can see this kinda thing and be so detached and give an upvote or whatever. To stop and think of the pain this women must have had.. and the strength to keep getting up every morning as more and more was taken. I hope she got to raise her kids right and be proud of them atleast before all that.
我平时看到这种东西，基本都能保持抽离，点个赞什么的就滑过去了。但这次停下来想一想，这个女人到底承受了多大的痛苦……还有她要在被不断剥夺的过程中，依然坚持每天爬起来活下去，得有多强大的内心。我真希望在那一切发生前，她至少能把孩子们好好抚养长大，并为他们感到骄傲。
3 赞2022/1/18
This is beyond fucked up. I wonder if Ukrainians will suffer the same fate if Russians invade.
这简直离谱他妈给离谱开门，离谱到家了。我真纳闷要是俄国人打进来，乌克兰人会不会也落得同样的下场。
3 赞2022/1/18
To be fair, the plans had been on display at the local planning office for 50 of her earth years
说句公道话，那份规划图在当地规划局都已经贴了整整50个地球年了。
2 赞2022/1/18
Man, I can feel the emotion in this.
天呐，我能真切感受到这里面蕴含的情绪。
2 赞2022/1/18
Thus happened to my grandma and her family living in German occupied Poland. They told her family they have 5 minutes to get out. From there they made the trip to Germany and along the way her father died and had to be buried. When they made it to Germany they were taken in by a farmer. My father said Germany had a deal that each person was supposed to take in one family of refugees. It didn't say they had to care for them though so the guy who took them in gave them a shelter and then basically treated them like servants. My father grew up in that home before my grandmother met a US serviceman and coming to the states and has told me horrible stories of that farmer. He was crazy religious and had his SS uniform proudly on display. Apparently the guy really lost his mind when he had to pretend to be dead for 3 days while allied troops moved through the field his unit was wiped out in.
我奶奶和她家人在德国占领波兰时就遭遇过这种事。当时他们通知我奶奶一家，只给5分钟时间滚蛋。从那以后，他们一路辗转逃亡到德国，途中她父亲不幸去世，只能就地草草掩埋。等到了德国，有个农场主收留了他们。我爸说当时德国有个规定，说是每户人家都得接纳一个难民家庭。不过规定没说必须照顾他们，所以那个收留他们的家伙只给了个住处，然后基本上就把他们当仆人使唤。我奶奶后来遇到了一个美国军人并移民到了美国，在那之前我爸一直住在那个农场主家里，他跟我讲过不少关于那家伙的恐怖故事。那人是个疯狂的宗教狂，还把他的党卫军制服堂而皇之地摆在那儿炫耀。据说那家伙在一次战斗中，他所在的部队被全歼了，他为了活命，被迫在那片战场上装死了整整3天，自那以后他就彻底疯了。