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乔·阿里迪(右)在被处决前一小时将他的玩具火车送给狱友

乔·阿里迪(右)在被处决前一小时将他的玩具火车送给狱友

1939年1月6日,乔·阿里迪(右)在被送往死囚牢房前,将自己的玩具火车送给狱友。23岁的乔智商仅48,心理年龄只有5岁,他因与真凶一同被指控强奸杀人而被处决。直到生命最后一刻他仍在微笑,因为他根本不明白发生了什么。[300*233]

1939 · 32,296 赞 · 2021-11-08 · 161 条评论

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[已删除]3,893 赞2021/11/8
Wait. So they knew he didn’t do it, but they executed him anyway?
等等。所以他们明明知道人不是他杀的,还是把他给处决了?
OsoCheco5,011 赞2021/11/8
The only evidence against him was his confession. Even the murderer said he never saw him.
唯一针对他的证据就是他的口供。连那个杀人犯都说从来没见过他。
Empyrealist2,855 赞2021/11/8
The murderer as well as the survivor both said he wasn't seen there.
杀人犯和幸存者都说在现场没见过他。
nightman0081,896 赞2021/11/9
Makes sense to kill him then
那杀了他确实说得通。
Stealfur1,195 赞2021/11/9
Right? Cant have invisible killers walking the street.
对吧?总不能让隐形杀手在街上乱晃。
frenchtoasttaco160 赞2021/11/9
Don’t want to let on to everyone that you made a mistake so go ahead and fry the guy
反正不想让大家看出你搞砸了,那就干脆把那家伙给电死(或处死)吧。
cheesegoat108 赞2021/11/9
Omg I feel so bad laughing at this
天呐,我真觉得自己笑出声来特别缺德。
--Splendor-Solis--130 赞2021/11/9
It's a two for one, just good efficiency
这叫一箭双雕,纯属高效操作。
NothingsShocking69 赞2021/11/9
“Well we already bought this extra lethal injection dose, we shouldn’t let it go to waste”
“反正这剂致命注射液都多买出来了,咱们也不能浪费不是。”
[已删除]36 赞2021/11/9
Lethal injection didn't happen until 1977, he got a bullet or the chair would be my guess.
1977年才开始有注射死刑,我猜他当时要么是吃了颗枪子儿,要么是坐了电椅。
TVsKevin59 赞2021/11/9
According to the article on Wikipedia, he was executed in the gas chamber.
根据维基百科上的文章,他是被关进毒气室处决的。
krakenftrs50 赞2021/11/9
Executing the mentally disabled in gas chambers, that's a great look
在毒气室里处决智障人士,这画面真特么绝了。
NotMyHersheyBar57 赞2021/11/9
This happens to disabled people. We are the scapegoat. We have legal protections now but not social protections. I've been fired so many times for being autistic just because I'm weird, even when my work is documented as exemplary, bc in an at will state, they don't need a reason.
这种事总是发生在残障人士身上。我们就是替罪羊。虽然现在法律上保护我们,但社会层面上并没有。因为我有自闭症,就因为我“怪”,我已经数不清被解雇多少次了,哪怕我的工作表现一直被评为优秀。因为在“随意雇佣”的州,他们根本不需要理由就能开人。
numbbearsFilms404 赞2021/11/9
did he just 'admit' that he was guilty then because I couldn't understand any of it? dam what a sad way to go.
他刚才是不是“承认”自己有罪了?我反正是一句都没听懂。妈呀,这结局也太惨了。
mehvet717 赞2021/11/9
It’s well known that false confessions can be obtained through various interrogation techniques. Especially when dealing with a person that lacks proper representation and has mental deficiencies. Never talk to the police about anything, just say lawyer till you get one and let them talk.
大家都知道,通过各种审讯手段是可以搞到假口供的。特别是在面对那些缺乏正当法律代理、且有智力缺陷的人时。永远别跟警察聊任何事,你就咬死要找律师,直到律师到场,然后让律师去跟他们谈。
[已删除]431 赞2021/11/9
There’s a great old school video on YouTube by a lawyer called “don’t talk to the police” he’s giving a lecture to future lawyers and shows how even the brightest person that means well can easily implicate themselves. Every now and then it’s a good video to watch to remind yourself. Edit in case anyone is interested https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
YouTube 上有个特别硬核的老视频,是个律师讲的,标题叫“别跟警察说话”。他当时在给未来的律师们讲课,演示了即使是最聪明、本意也是好的普通人,又是如何轻而易举地把自己给坑进去的。时不时重温一下这个视频,给自己提个醒,还是很有必要的。 补充一下,万一有人感兴趣的话:https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
[已删除]24 赞2021/11/9
I always like those two weed lawyers that have a video where they just say shut the fuck up over and over again in regards to talking to the police.
我一直很喜欢那两个专门搞大麻案的律师,他们有个视频,通篇就是翻来覆去地在那儿喊“他妈的闭嘴”,就是针对“要不要跟警察说话”这件事。
[已删除]21 赞2021/11/9
Guy just posted the same thing to this thread. It’s shut the fuck up Friday boys! What do you do? You shut the fuck up. https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o
刚才有人就在这个帖子里发了同一个视频。伙计们,今天是“他妈的闭嘴星期五”!你该怎么做?你他妈的就把嘴闭上。 https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o
a_dude_from_europe229 赞2021/11/9
Top notch watch but absolutely lost my shit when he said "be thankful you're in the United States and not in Italy or Spain, there's no police abuse there, they can do what they want" That's histerical coming from an American cop.
表演非常精彩,但当他说出“你应该庆幸自己在美国而不是在意大利或西班牙,那里没有警察滥用职权这回事,他们想干嘛就干嘛”的时候,我简直要原地爆炸了。 这话从一个美国警察嘴里说出来,真是滑稽透顶。
N64crusader488 赞2021/11/9
Unless he was talking about the 40s when they were both fascist states lol
除非他说的是40年代,那时候这俩国家都是法西斯政权,哈哈。
Yalado26 赞2021/11/9
Spaniard here, I can confirm still today cops get away even with dead suspects. Only cases they was found guilty was because they was stupid enough to film the abuses and the video was leaked to the public, so it would be too obvious. Even in that cases, they are pardoned once media stop talking about them.
西班牙人在此,我可以证实,即便是今天,警察搞死嫌疑人也能全身而退。他们唯一被判有罪的情况,是因为他们蠢到把虐待过程录了下来,而且视频还泄露给了公众,导致事情实在太明显了。就算在那样的案子里,只要媒体不再关注,他们也还是会被特赦。
in-noxxx19 赞2021/11/9
> "be thankful you're in the United States and not in Italy or Spain I was in Rome in mid december 2019 and was being harassed by this African immigrant trying to pick my pocket. I shoved him and he flicked a pocket knife, anyways an undercover plain clothes cabineri saw and asked me what I had done. At first I was defensive, but then told him that the dude tried to rob me, he went over there with 3 other Cabineri/police and they beat him with blackjacks. He was like 14. A couple days later we were in the Metro. The english ticket touch screen wasn't working and we were slowly trying to navigate our way to buying 2 subway passes. This Roma/Gypsy girl showed us but kept adding a ticket, we were like no we only want two, not realizing she wanted one. A police officer came over grabbed her threw here away and smacked her while doing that Italian language gobblydegook where they raise their voices and use their hands. He backhanded her several times, my wife and I got the fuck out of there. So uh yeah that shit has never happened to us here.
> “庆幸你是在美国,而不是在意大利或西班牙吧。 2019年12月中旬我在罗马的时候,有个非洲移民一直缠着我,想偷我钱包。我推了他一把,结果他掏出一把弹簧刀。还好有个穿便衣的宪兵看到了,过来问我刚才干了什么。起初我还在防备,但后来告诉他那家伙想抢劫我,他就叫上另外三个宪兵/警察一起过去,用警棍把那小子揍了一顿。那小子看起来才14岁。 几天后我们坐地铁,那个英文触控屏坏了,我们正慢慢研究怎么买两张地铁票。有个罗姆人/吉普赛女孩跑过来假装帮我们,但一直往里加票数,我们说不用了只要两张,当时没意识到她其实是想顺走一张。有个警察走过来一把抓住她,把她扔到一边,动手打了她,嘴里还用那种意大利语特有的腔调大呼小叫,手舞足蹈的。他反手扇了她好几下,我和我老婆见状赶紧溜了。所以吧,这种破事儿在我们这儿从来没发生过。
Pandastic426 赞2021/11/9
> various interrogation techniques Torture?
> 各种审讯技巧 你是说刑讯逼供吗?
mehvet93 赞2021/11/9
Not even necessary. Badgering a person in a stressful situation can cause them to begin to doubt themselves. Police are well within their rights to lie during interrogation too. They can claim to have evidence they don’t which confuses exhausted or mentally slow people into doubting things they know. Some people will begin to feel helpless and believe that giving the authority figure in the room what they want, a confession, is their best way forward. Good police work would avoid these tactics in favor of finding the actual criminal, too often they just want a way to close the case though.
甚至都不需要(用刑)。在压力环境下对嫌疑人进行轮番轰炸,足以让他们开始怀疑人生。警察在审讯时撒谎也是合法的。他们可以声称掌握了其实根本不存在的证据,把那些筋疲力尽或者反应迟钝的人搞懵,让他们连自己清楚的事实都开始怀疑。有些人会感到绝望,觉得给审讯室里的权威人物他们想要的东西——即一份认罪书——是唯一的出路。真正的办案高手会避免这种套路,转而去寻找真正的罪犯,但现实中他们往往只想找个办法赶紧结案了事。
Kuritos120 赞2021/11/9
A 14 year old boy was starved of food to force a murder confession out of him. [George Stinny Jr. was executed.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney)
一个14岁的男孩被饿得半死,好让他招认谋杀罪。 [乔治·斯汀尼二世被处决了。](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney)
WebGhost0101123 赞2021/11/9
i hate that "a 14 year old boy was executed by law" is all you need to know he was black.
我真讨厌这一点:只要你说出“一个14岁男孩被法律处决了”,大家立马就能猜到他肯定是个黑人。
cortthejudge9734 赞2021/11/9
Yes but not so much in a "rip toenails off" way but like I'll keep you in a room and question you for 12 hours straight with no sleep rest or food type thing
没错,不过倒不是那种“拔掉脚趾甲”式的虐待,而是那种把你关在房间里连审12小时,不让你睡觉、休息或吃饭的折磨方式。
[已删除]25 赞2021/11/9
The Chicago PD had a special torture facility, apparently, but they could've just used it for pleasure.
芝加哥警局竟然有个专门搞刑讯的鬼地方,不过说真的,他们本来完全可以把它当成游乐场用的。
secondarycontrol1,006 赞2021/11/8
After an hour and a half of questioning, Carroll called a reporter and told him that he had just received a complete confession for the Pueblo crime from Arridy. **He recited to at least one reporter a long series of wordy, complete sentences that Arridy purportedly uttered. According to Carroll, Arridy was the lone killer and he committed the crime with a club.** At first, when Pueblo Police Chief J. Arthur Grady received news of the confession, he was shocked. The real killer, Frank Aguilar, a former WPA worker who had been supervised by the Drain girls’ father, had already been arrested for the crime. **Aguilar had been arrested during the funeral of Dorothy Drain. The Pueblo police had even recovered the weapon used in the crime. It was the head of a hatchet with nicks that matched the wounds on the girls**. The Pueblo police kept all this evidence in silence because Aguilar vehemently denied committing the crime. [Following that, Sheriff Carroll changed his story. After conducting another interrogation, **he then reported to the press that a hatchet—not a club**—was used in the crime. He also claimed that Arridy did not do the crime alone. According to Carroll, Arridy said he did it “with Frank.”](http://www.executedtoday.com/tag/george-carroll/)
在审讯了一个半小时后,卡罗尔给一名记者打电话,声称他刚从阿里迪口中拿到了关于普韦布洛那起案件的完整供词。**他向至少一名记者复述了一大串啰里啰嗦、逻辑完整的句子,说是阿里迪亲口说的。照卡罗尔的说法,阿里迪就是唯一的凶手,而且他是用棍棒作的案。** 起初,当普韦布洛警察局局长 J·亚瑟·格雷迪收到这份供词的消息时,他整个人都惊呆了。真正的凶手弗兰克·阿吉拉尔——此人曾是名 WPA(公共事业振兴署)工人,还受过德雷恩家女孩父亲的管理——早就因为这起案子被捕了。 **阿吉拉尔是在多萝西·德雷恩的葬礼上被抓的。普韦布洛警方甚至已经找回了作案凶器。那是一把斧头的斧头,上面的豁口跟女孩们身上的伤口完全吻合。** 普韦布洛警方一直对这些证据守口如瓶,因为阿吉拉尔一直死不承认自己犯了罪。 [在那之后,卡罗尔警长改了口。在进行了又一轮审讯后,**他转而向媒体报告说,作案工具是一把斧头——而不是棍棒**。他还改口称阿里迪不是单独作案。按照卡罗尔的说法,阿里迪这回改口说是“跟弗兰克”一起干的。](http://www.executedtoday.com/tag/george-carroll/)
MyWildRedditAccount517 赞2021/11/9
This is why moral conscious is important for human kind as a whole
这就是为什么道德良知对整个人类来说至关重要。
Alan_Smithee_43 赞2021/11/9
Also why the death penalty is wrong.
这也是死刑为什么是错的理由。
[已删除]129 赞2021/11/9
It’s lazy policing in this situation. Often what happened with all the falsely accused black men was commonly cold cases force solved. It’s racism mixed with lazy.
在这种情况下,这就是懒政。很多时候,那些被冤枉的黑人遭遇的情况,通常都是为了结案而强行搞出来的“冷案”。这就是种族歧视加上懒政。
Momo0419110 赞2021/11/9
I agree with lazy policing and racism but isn’t Joe Arridy the white guy on the right?
我同意关于懒政和种族歧视的说法,但右边那个白人不是乔·阿里迪(Joe Arridy)吗?
[已删除]47 赞2021/11/9
对啊……他就是这人:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy
secondarycontrol61 赞2021/11/9
Born to Syrian immigrants, and mentally handicapped. I'll wager that the ~~cops~~ system didn't consider him 'white'.
他父母是叙利亚移民,而且他还有智力障碍。我敢打赌,当时的~~警察~~司法系统肯定没把他当“白人”看。
StopSwitchingThumbs16 赞2021/11/9
He was white in this situation.
在这种情况下,他其实就是白人。
zombiepirate250 赞2021/11/9
This right here is why the the death penalty should be abolished. Even if the system worked perfectly it would still be questionable. And the system is far from perfect.
这就是为什么死刑应该被废除的原因。 就算司法系统能完美运作,它依然存在争议。何况现在的系统离“完美”还差得远呢。
jacksbox161 赞2021/11/9
It occurs to me that so many people complain about the incompetence of the govt when they say " that's why we shouldn't have more services!! The govt can't run things properly!!" Well then surely you don't want the govt in the business of *death* right?... Right?
我突然想到,很多人在抱怨政府无能时,总会说:“这就是为什么我们不该要更多公共服务!!政府根本搞不定这些事!!” 既然这样,那你肯定也不想让政府来负责“处决”这种事吧……对吧?
Longbic42 赞2021/11/9
That's one of the biggest things the government deals in.
那可是政府最擅长的“业务”之一了。
[已删除]33 赞2021/11/9
Yeah I believe it is known as the "monopoly on violence*". Only the government has the legal right to take life. * Corrected the term to violence
对,我相信这就是所谓的“暴力垄断”。只有政府才拥有剥夺生命的合法权利。 *已纠正用词为“暴力”
dexmonic101 赞2021/11/9
What do you mean? It did work perfectly. A piece of shit cop perfectly got to implicate an innocent man for ambiguous reasons. And despite everyone knowing it was bullshit, they perfectly went along with it because...well, because. Edit: reading more about it, the sheriff was using the whole trial as a publicity stunt. He didn't give a shit if the wrong guy was implicated in fact he seemed to rather enjoy it as long as he got to be in the news.
你什么意思?它运作得“完美”极了。一个烂人警察成功地找了个模棱两可的理由,把一个无辜的人给坑进去了。而且尽管大家都知道这纯属胡扯,但他们还是“完美”地配合了演出,因为……嗯,就是因为这样。 编辑:多读了些相关资料,原来那个警长把整个审判当成了作秀。他根本不在乎是不是抓错了人,事实上,只要能上新闻,他似乎还挺享受这一过程的。
secondarycontrol1,009 赞2021/11/8
>On August 26, 1936, Arridy was arrested for vagrancy in Cheyenne, Wyoming, after being caught wandering around the railyards. The county sheriff, George Carroll, was aware of the widespread search for suspects in the Drain murder case. When Arridy revealed under questioning that he had traveled through Pueblo by way of a train after leaving Grand Junction, Colorado, Carroll began to question him about the Drain case. Carroll said that Arridy confessed to him.[6] >When Carroll contacted the Pueblo police chief Arthur Grady about Arridy, he learned that they had already arrested a man considered to be the prime suspect: Frank Aguilar, a laborer from Mexico. Aguilar had worked for the father of the Drain girls and been fired shortly before the attack. An ax head was recovered from Aguilar's home.[6] But Sheriff Carroll claimed that Arridy told him several times he had "been with a man named Frank" at the crime scene.[6] >Aguilar later confessed to the crime and told police he had never seen or met Arridy. Aguilar was also convicted of the rape and murder of Dorothy Drain and sentenced to death. He was executed in 1937.[3][7] >After being transported to Pueblo, Arridy reportedly confessed again.[8] >When the case was finally taken to trial, Arridy's lawyer pled insanity to spare his client's life. Arridy was ruled to be sane, while acknowledged by three state psychiatrists to be so mentally limited as to be classified as an "imbecile", a medical term at the time. They said he had an IQ of 46, and the mind of a six-year-old.[6] They noted he was "incapable of distinguishing between right and wrong, and therefore, would be unable to perform any action with a criminal intent".[1][2] >Arridy was convicted, largely because of his false confession.[6] Studies since that time have shown that persons of limited mental capacity are more vulnerable to coercion during interrogation and have a higher frequency of making false confessions. **There was no physical evidence against him. Barbara Drain had testified that Aguilar had been present at the attack, but not Arridy. She could identify Aguilar because he had worked for her father**. [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy) They railroaded him, executed him *and* executed the real murderer, too.
> 1936年8月26日,阿里迪(Arridy)因流浪罪在怀俄明州夏延市被捕,当时他正被发现四处游荡在铁路编组站。县警长乔治·卡罗尔(George Carroll)当时正密切关注德雷恩(Drain)谋杀案的嫌疑人搜捕工作。当阿里迪在审问中透露自己在离开科罗拉多州大章克申后,是乘火车途经普韦布洛时,卡罗尔便开始就德雷恩案对他进行盘问。卡罗尔声称阿里迪向他招供了。[6] > 当卡罗尔就阿里迪一事联系普韦布洛警察局长亚瑟·格雷迪(Arthur Grady)时,得知他们已经逮捕了一名头号嫌疑人:来自墨西哥的劳工弗兰克·阿吉拉尔(Frank Aguilar)。阿吉拉尔曾在德雷恩女孩的父亲手下工作,在袭击发生前不久刚被解雇。警方从阿吉拉尔家中搜出了一枚斧头头。[6] 但警长卡罗尔却坚称,阿里迪曾多次告诉他,案发时他曾“与一个叫弗兰克的人”在一起。[6] > 阿吉拉尔后来认罪,并告诉警方他从未见过或认识阿里迪。阿吉拉尔因强奸并谋杀多萝西·德雷恩(Dorothy Drain)被定罪并判处死刑。他于1937年被处决。[3][7] > 在被押送至普韦布洛后,据报道阿里迪再次进行了招供。[8] > 当案件最终进入庭审阶段时,阿里迪的律师以精神失常为由进行辩护,希望能保住当事人的性命。然而,阿里迪被裁定为精神正常,尽管三名州精神病医生都承认他智力极其低下,属于当时医学界定义的“白痴”。他们指出他的智商仅有46,心智水平相当于六岁的孩子。[6] 医生们强调他“无法区分是非对错,因此不可能产生任何犯罪意图”。[1][2] > 阿里迪最终被定罪,很大程度上是因为那份伪造的供词。[6] 此后的研究表明,智力有限的人在审讯过程中更容易受到胁迫,作伪证的频率也更高。**当时没有任何直接证据指向他。芭芭拉·德雷恩(Barbara Drain)曾作证说袭击发生时阿吉拉尔在场,但阿里迪并不在场。她能认出阿吉拉尔,是因为他曾为她父亲工作。** [维基百科](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy) 他们把这人给彻底栽赃陷害了,处决了他,*而且*还把真正的杀人犯也给处决了。
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The whole thing goes from sad to angry really quickly for me when you have police officers like Carroll who are just dying to point their finger at *anyone*.
对我来说,整件事从悲伤到愤怒的转变简直快得离谱,尤其是当卡罗尔(Carroll)这种警察迫不及待地想把罪名扣在*任何人*头上的时候。
larsmaehlum130 赞2021/11/8
A 200% conviction rate on that case, not too shabby..
那起案子定罪率居然有200%,真有你的,牛啊……
PlethoPappus215 赞2021/11/8
Simply to save face because they just can't be wrong. Ever.
说白了就是为了死要面子,因为他们根本就不可能犯错。从来不可能。
MaesterKupo118 赞2021/11/8
I wonder if the sheriff ever faced any punishment for this. He murdered someone. Specifically a mentally challenged individual.
我真纳闷那个警长有没有因为这事儿受过什么惩罚。他可是杀了一个人啊。而且杀的还是个智力障碍人士。
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ocdscale51 赞2021/11/9
> he was widely regarded as a hero for his arrest of Arridy Explains why he kept doubling down and refused to admit he was wrong. This is just so infuriating.
> 他因为逮捕了阿里迪(Arridy)被广泛视为英雄。 这就解释了为什么他一直死鸭子嘴硬,拒绝承认自己错了。 这简直太让人火大了。
sirspidermonkey24 赞2021/11/9
You should check out the [santanic panic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic#United_States) in the 80s. There are people still in prison based on the testimony of children under hypnosis, who also testified that there were elaborate tunnels under the daycare complete with sacrificial table (no tables or tunnels were ever found inspite ) that they witnessed several of the day care's children scarified( no bodies were found, or indeed missing children were reported) other toddlers were flushed won toilets to magical room (I could use a toilet that could flush a whole toddler after taco night) and that they say the alleged abusers fly on brooms across the sky. So totally realistic testimony.
你应该去了解一下80年代的“撒旦恐慌”(satanic panic)。直到现在还有人因为那些在催眠状态下小孩子的证词而坐牢,那些孩子甚至作证说日托中心下面有复杂的地下隧道,里面还有祭祀台(尽管后来根本没找到什么桌子或隧道),他们还作证说亲眼目睹了好几个托儿所的孩子被献祭(但根本没发现尸体,也没接到过任何孩子失踪的报告),还有其他小孩被冲进马桶送到了什么魔法房间(要是吃完塔可之夜后我也能有个能冲走整整一个幼儿的马桶就好了),他们甚至说那些所谓的施虐者骑着扫帚在天上飞。所以这些证词可真是太“写实”了。
AngryNinjaTurtle31 赞2021/11/9
I'm an atheist, but sometimes I wish Hell existed so this guy could be burning in it.
我是个无神论者,但有时候真希望地狱是真实存在的,这样这货就能在里面受刑了。
shingdao30 赞2021/11/9
Punishment? This was late 1930s in Wyoming, the sheriff was considered a hero at the time. Arridy was not the first mentally incapacitated person to be executed and, sadly, won't be the last.
惩罚?那是20世纪30年代末的怀俄明州,当时警长还被视作英雄呢。 阿里迪(Arridy)并不是第一个被处决的智力障碍者,遗憾的是,也不会是最后一个。
vladWEPES147631 赞2021/11/8
Yes, but the Sheriff is not the justice. How could the court mess this up so badly?
是啊,但警长又不是正义的化身。法庭是怎么能把案子搞得这么离谱的?
Epistaxis86 赞2021/11/8
Juries and judges believe cops, and even skeptical prosecutors can't afford to harm their relationship.
陪审团和法官都信警察,即便是心存怀疑的检察官也得顾全大局,不敢轻易破坏这种合作关系。
The_Original_Gronkie18 赞2021/11/9
A small town jury will do what they're told, especially back then.
小地方的陪审团只会听命行事,尤其是当年那种环境下。
TangentiallyTango23 赞2021/11/9
This is why you never, never, never talk to the police. Some shit-stain cop might just decide he likes you for it.
这就是为什么你千万、千万、千万别跟警察废话。指不定哪个烂人警察看你不顺眼,就随手把你给坑了。
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Protect and serve baby
保护和服务,宝贝儿。
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When the police testify it's often called testilying by the police themselves. Justice isn't the point, "results" is. This is why so many black Americans didn't trust the OJ trial at all. If the LAPD hadn't lied and planted evidence while trying to convict a black man of murder it would be remarkable for it's rarity. Same for Jussie Smollett and his fake assault claims. Why believe the police when they lie constantly?
当警察出庭作证时,他们自己常把这叫作“撒谎式作证”(testilying)。正义根本不是重点,“结果”才是。 这就是为什么那么多美国黑人压根儿就不信任辛普森案的审判。要是洛杉矶警局在试图给黑人定罪时没有撒谎和栽赃陷害,那才真是太阳打西边出来了。 朱西·斯莫利特那起虚假袭击指控也是一样。警察整天满嘴跑火车,凭什么要信他们?
The_Original_Gronkie28 赞2021/11/9
Florida now keeps a list of police officers who are not allowed to testify in court because they have been proven to lie in the past. It's a very short list, and it's big fight whenever they want to add a other cop to the list.
佛罗里达州现在有个名单,上面列着那些因为有过作伪证前科而被禁止出庭作证的警官。这个名单特别短,而且每次想往上面再加个警察名儿时,都会引发一场大仗。
masterwolfe15 赞2021/11/9
Pretty much every DAs office has a list like this, some are more open about it than others.
几乎每个地方的检察官办公室都有类似的黑名单,有些藏着掖着,有些倒是挺直白。
cursingsum9123 赞2021/11/8
Thank you for going into detail
感谢你讲得这么详细。
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wait so frank was actually executed two years BEFORE Joe, and Joe was still executed for the same crime? God damn. and here I was thinking I didnt need to cry today.
等等,所以 Frank 其实在 Joe 被处决的两年前就已经被处决了,然后 Joe 居然还因为同一桩罪行被处决了?我靠,简直丧尽天良。 本来还以为我今天不用哭的。
slouchingtoepiphany33 赞2021/11/8
Thanks for the story, it sounds like the police, prosecutor, judge, and jury were themselves murderers for killing an innocent man. Edit: I mixed up the people in the picture. Corrected.
感谢分享这个故事。听起来那帮警察、检察官、法官还有陪审团自己就是杀人凶手,毕竟他们联手搞死了一个无辜的人。 编辑:我把照片里的人搞混了。已更正。
ScreamingDizzBuster26 赞2021/11/9
Sounds a little like the Amanda Knox case in Italy. They had a guy in custody with a history of violence, and his DNA on the victim, who had confessed - but no they also had to invent a satanic sex cult too in order to prosecute the yank and her boyfriend too.
这听起来有点像意大利那起阿曼达·诺克斯(Amanda Knox)案。当时他们明明已经拘留了一个有暴力前科的家伙,而且被害人身上还有他的DNA,那人也认罪了——但不行,他们非得编造出一个邪教性爱崇拜组织,好把那个美国妞和她男朋友也给办了。
FesteringDarkness16 赞2021/11/8
Shades of Brendan Dassey
简直是布伦丹·达西(Brendan Dassey)案的翻版。
TheDustOfMen222 赞2021/11/8
His confession was coerced and his conviction wasn't overturned despite several appeals; his mental deficiency; the confession of the actual perpetrator; one of the victims (Dorothy's sister) saying Arridy wasn't even there; and no physical evidence connecting Arridy to the crime scene. All due to a morally corrupt sherrif who likely wanted his 5 minutes of fame.
他的供词是被强迫的,而且尽管上诉了好几次,他的判决却从未被推翻;考虑到他的智力障碍、真凶的招供、其中一名受害者(多萝西的妹妹)指证阿里迪根本不在现场,再加上现场没有任何物理证据能把阿里迪和那桩罪案联系起来。 这一切都是因为那个道德败坏的警长,他大概就是想蹭那五分钟的名气。
Sheepish_conundrum39 赞2021/11/8
this brings me to the brandon dassey 'confession'. Good lord that series frustrated the hell out of me. (making a murderer). I'll grant stephen avery is creepy and very well could've done it but there was more than enough chicanery from the police dept to get a mistrial.
这让我想到了布兰登·达西的“供词”。天哪,那部片子(《制造杀人犯》)真是看得我火冒三丈。我承认史蒂文·艾弗里是个怪胎,他确实很可能干了那事,但警察局搞出的猫腻简直太多了,完全够得上误判了。
oxemenino20 赞2021/11/9
It's beyond infuriating to me that Dassey's testimony was thrown out as evidence in Avery's trial, and yet Dassey was still convicted and sent to prison. Not to mention our POS attorney general at the time (I'm from Wisconsin) did everything in his power to keep Dassey from being released back to his family after several appeals. He's spent most of his life in prison for a crime everyone knows he didn't commit. It's horrific what they've done to him.
最让我气炸的是,达西的证词在艾弗里的审判中被当作无效证据剔除了,结果达西自己却还是被定罪并关进了监狱。更别提当时我们威斯康星州的那个烂人总检察长(我是威斯康星人),他在几次上诉后,依然竭尽全力阻止达西回到家人身边。他大半辈子都在监狱里,背负着一个众所周知并非他所为的罪名。他们对他所做的一切简直令人发指。
secondarycontrol56 赞2021/11/8
> morally corrupt sherrif But you repeat yourself.
> 道德败坏的治安官 你这话不是废话吗(你说重了)。
OsoCheco2,140 赞2021/11/8
He was finally pardoned in 2011. A little offtopic, I just recalled, in one of the Simpsons episode, a canadian citizen wisches to visit US to see an execution of grown man with the inteligence of small child. I wonder whether it wasn't reference to Joe Arridy.
他最终在2011年获得了赦免。 有点跑题了,我突然想起《辛普森一家》里有一集,一个加拿大公民想去美国看一个心智只有小孩水平的成年人被处决。我在想这指的会不会就是乔·阿里迪(Joe Arridy)。
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A pardon in 2011 may be a little late.
2011年才特赦,这也太迟了吧。
MaesterKupo525 赞2021/11/8
A pardon for those like him along with systemic change to make sure this can't happen again would be a humbling gesture. But if it was just a pardon and maybe a speech then yeah, empty af.
给像他这样的人予以特赦,同时进行系统性改革来确保此类事件不再重演,这才是一种展现谦卑姿态的做法。 但如果只是给个特赦,顶多再发表个演讲,那可真是虚伪透顶(empty af)。
avaslash149 赞2021/11/9
It matters because it sets precedent for similar future cases. It acknowledges “yeah we screwed up on this one.” Which is the right thing to do. And it gives future defenses of similar cases a better reason to seek presidential pardon. And largely I think the system has improved since then. Not guilty by reason of insanity is a valid plea.
这很重要,因为它为以后类似的案件立下了先例。这相当于承认了“没错,我们在这事上搞砸了。”而这正是正确做法。它也为以后类似案件的辩护方提供了更有力的理由去寻求总统特赦。而且我认为,从那时起,整个系统已经在很大程度上改进了。以精神错乱为由的无罪辩护现在是一种合法的抗辩手段。
MaesterKupo26 赞2021/11/9
It was a Governor who pardoned, not the president. And precedence isn't enough. We should be actively seeking out these cases that happened and fixing them.
是州长给予的特赦,不是总统。而且光有先例是不够的。我们应该主动去发掘那些曾经发生的冤假错案,并纠正它们。
_dotdot1131 赞2021/11/9
It is currently illegal to execute anyone with intellectual disabilities (IQ<75) in all 50 states. Look up *Atkins vs. Virginia*
目前在全美50个州,处决任何患有智力障碍(IQ<75)的人都是违法的。去查查《阿特金斯诉弗吉尼亚州案》(Atkins vs. Virginia)就知道了。
keenreefsmoment16 赞2021/11/9
Looks like I’m safe 😎😎 you noob
看来我是安全的 😎😎 你这菜鸟。
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They took his life and everything else away from him. His name and this story was all that was left of him 72 years later. A pardon in this sense is just a bandage; as the damage is done, but let it be a sign as to refrain from spitting on his name.
他们夺走了他的生命,也夺走了一切。72年后,留下的只有他的名字和这个故事。这种意义上的赦免不过是块创可贴;因为伤害已经造成,但愿这能作为一个警示,让人别再往他身上泼脏水了。
Macaroni-and-92 赞2021/11/8
We're still executing innocent people though
但我们现在还是在处决无辜的人啊。
MangoCats50 赞2021/11/9
As long as we are executing people, we will be executing innocent people. There is no such thing as certainty, especially in the court system.
只要咱们还在执行死刑,就免不了会错杀无辜。这世上根本就没有百分之百确定的事,尤其是在司法系统里,更是扯淡。
Zonerdrone50 赞2021/11/8
Maybe but there were several executions of mentally disabled people that got a lot of attention. Especially in Texas.
话是这么说,但之前有几起针对智障人士的处决闹得沸沸扬扬的,尤其是德州那边的案子。
dj_narwhal38 赞2021/11/9
You flip a coin in Texas if your IQ is under 50. Tails, executed, heads, congress.
在德州,要是你智商低于50,那你就只能掷硬币听天由命了。字面(反面)朝上,直接处决;人头(正面)朝上,送进国会。
ChintanP0421 赞2021/11/8
>He was finally pardoned in 2011. So much good it did.
>他最终在2011年获得了赦免。 有个屁用啊。
yourlastchance89342 赞2021/11/8
There's been a few. Clinton oversaw the execution of a man who had the mental capacity of a small child. This was in the 90s when he was governor of Arkansas. The man was shot by police in the head. They saved his life in the hospital only for him to be executed later. He would always save his dessert for later while imprisoned. Before his execution he gave his dessert to his lawyers to hold on to for him so he could consume it later, completely unaware of what was about to happen to him.
这种事儿发生过好几回了。克林顿当年在阿肯色州当州长时,监督处决了一个智力水平只有小孩子那么高的人。那人之前被警察朝头上开了一枪,结果医院把他救活了,就为了后来能把他处决掉。他在坐牢的时候总会把甜点留着晚点吃。被处决前,他还把甜点交给律师替他保管,说是留着以后吃,根本就不知道接下来要发生什么。
Level99Cooking349 赞2021/11/8
Very different case. Rector was actually guilty and was mentally incapacitated in a shootout with police when he falsely agreed to turn himself in. He was mentally capable at the time the crime was committed. Not saying it was correct to execute him, its all kinds of fucked up. But it isnt the same kind of fucked up.
这完全是两码事。Rector 当时确实有罪,而且他在和警察火拼时脑部受损,才会在神志不清的情况下答应自首。他在犯罪时神智是清醒的。 我不是说处决他是对的,这事儿简直是一团糟。但那是另一种意义上的糟糕,情况不一样。
_JonSnow_84 赞2021/11/8
It sounds like he still was not competent to stand trial. Unless I’m mistaken, the burden of competency isn’t solely on whether the defendant was competent during the commission of a crime. They need to be competent to stand trial
听起来他当时根本就不具备受审能力啊。 如果我没记错的话,判定是否有行为能力不仅仅看被告在犯罪时是否清醒。他们还得有受审能力才行。
ChunkyLaFunga65 赞2021/11/8
There is a broader philosophical question which the system doesn't want to hear about whether you would be meaningfully prosecuting the same person who committed the crime.
这里涉及到一个更宏大的哲学命题,而体制内的人根本不想听,那就是:你审判的这个人,到底还是不是当初犯罪的那个人?
thefightingmongoose63 赞2021/11/8
I'm not in favour of the death penalty at all but I think that situation is a little different because it sounds to me like the injury he sustained during his arrest is what gave hi the mental incapacity which would suggest he was fully culpable for the crime he committed, unlike this story.
我本人是完全不支持死刑的,但我觉得那个情况有点不一样,因为听起来他在被捕过程中受的伤导致了他后来的精神障碍,这反倒说明他在犯案时是完全有行为能力的,这跟这个案子的情况可不一样。
_JonSnow_44 赞2021/11/8
But fully incapable to stand trial. That’s the issue here. We’re not supposed to put on trial those who are mentally incompetent to the point of not even understanding why they’re on trial or how to appropriately defend themselves during the trial.
但问题是他现在完全没法出庭受审啊。这才是重点。咱们不能让那些精神失常到连自己为什么受审、或者在庭审中该怎么正当辩护都搞不清楚的人站上被告席。
crack_is_my_life34 赞2021/11/8
In which case he’s no longer capable of committing such a crime so why still execute him?
照这么说,他现在都已经没能力再犯那种罪了,那还处决他干嘛?
gentlemandinosaur46 赞2021/11/8
Revenge. Oh, I mean Justice. Sorry I said the wrong word.
复仇。 哦,我的意思是正义。抱歉,词儿说错了。
rwhitisissle27 赞2021/11/8
> I wonder whether it wasn't reference to Joe Arridy. It's probably a reference to the MANY times our justice system has actively executed the severely mentally handicapped for crimes they didn't commit. By this point, it's honestly a trope. Hell, you know it can't be all that rare if Stephen King wrote a goddamn book about it.
> 我在想这难道指的不是乔·阿里迪(Joe Arridy)吗? 这大概是指我们的司法系统无数次草菅人命,把那些患有严重智力障碍、且根本没犯过罪的人送上死刑台的事。说实话,这都已经成老梗了。去他的,要是连斯蒂芬·金都能专门写本该死的书来讲这事儿,那这破事儿肯定罕见不到哪去。
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Just taken from Wikipedia; While held on death row during the appeals process, Arridy often played with a toy train, given to him by prison warden Roy Best. The warden said that Arridy was "the happiest prisoner on death row".He was liked and treated well by both the prisoners and guards alike. Best became one of Arridy's supporters and joined the effort to save his life; he was said to have "cared for Arridy like a son", regularly bringing him gifts. Before Arridy's execution, he said, "He probably didn't even know he was about to die, all he did was happily sit and play with a toy train I had given him." Fuck me that’s sad
摘自维基百科: 在等待上诉期间,阿里迪经常玩着监狱长罗伊·贝斯特送给他的一列玩具火车。监狱长说阿里迪是“死囚区里最快乐的囚犯”。囚犯和狱警都很喜欢他,对他也很照顾。贝斯特成了阿里迪的支持者之一,还加入到营救他的行列中;据说他“像对待儿子一样关爱阿里迪”,经常给他带礼物。在阿里迪被处决前,他说:“他可能压根不知道自己快要死了,他只是坐在那儿,开心地玩着我给他的玩具火车。” 我靠,真特么让人难过。
Ausaris361 赞2021/11/9
This kinda shit just breaks a part of the soul. Such a shame that things like this were allowed to happen.
这种烂事儿简直是让人心碎。居然能让这种事儿发生,真是太他妈可惜了。
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\*are allowed to happen I will never forget seeing a video of a mentally disabled man being stoned to death, ostensibly for stealing fruit, on
*是“被允许发生”才对。 我永远忘不了在 上看到的一个视频:一个智障男子被乱石砸死,借口居然只是因为他偷了点水果。
Thom_Chen97 赞2021/11/9
Why did people like that sub? It’s not like watching people being murdered or mutilated will make someone feel better.
为什么会有人喜欢那种版块?看别人被谋杀或是肢解,又不会让人感觉好受点。
Tranquilcobra20 赞2021/11/9
I used to frequently go there back when I was incredibly depressed, actually seeing how painful dying can be kept me from doing it. The community was also very friendly and respectful.
我以前心情特别抑郁的时候经常去那里,其实正是亲眼目睹了死亡过程有多痛苦,才让我打消了自寻短见的念头。那个社区里的人也非常友好、懂分寸。
pimpcanelucius54 赞2021/11/9
I was an angsty traumatized teenager intent to traumatize myself further. Regret going on there so much.
那会儿我就是个愤世嫉俗、满身创伤的青少年,一心只想让自己受更多的伤。真后悔当时逛那地方逛得那么勤。
groovy_giraffe19 赞2021/11/9
That’s a fair way to put it. I also browsed that sub (very very briefly as I was already early 20s by the time I made a Reddit) and rotten dot com as a confused and traumatized teen. Thing is, as a youngster I didn’t know I was traumatized and therefore somehow assumed it was “normal” to view such things. Long long ago I turned away and focused more on my actual self, I think it was love that made me realize. My wife and I have been together 15 years now and in order to make commitment like that work you have to sacrifice your sense of self to reforge into each other (2 become 1) and in order to do that you must first recast yourself as something you capable of understanding and therefore altering.
这么说倒也中肯。我也曾是个困惑又满身创伤的少年,也刷过那个版块(不过我当时注册Reddit的时候都已经二十出头了,所以就逛了那么一丢丢),还上过rotten dot com。问题在于,我小时候根本不知道自己受过创伤,所以想当然地觉得看那些玩意儿是“正常”的。 很久很久以前,我选择不再关注那些,而是把重心放回了真实的自我,我觉得是爱让我意识到了这一点。我和我妻子在一起已经15年了,要维持这种承诺,你必须牺牲掉一部分自我,去重塑成彼此的一部分(二位一体),而要做到这一点,你首先得把自己重铸成一个你能理解、因而也能去改变的东西。
DottyOrange51 赞2021/11/9
It actually does make me feel better. I was in a hard ass depression for years and when I got suicidal I’d look at these kinds of videos that show me what true death is and to treasure my life because these people weren’t able too. It worked to keep my thoughts of suicide at bay for years until I got some help.
这玩意儿确实让我感觉好受了些。我曾陷在极其严重的抑郁里好多年,每当我有自杀念头的时候,我就会看这类视频,它们让我看到真正的死亡是什么样,提醒我要珍惜生命,因为视频里的这些人已经没机会了。这招管用,帮我把自杀念头压制了好几年,直到后来我得到了专业帮助。
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This is why I am against the death penalty for any crime except treason. Life in Prison is arguably worse than execution, and more importantly allowing the death penalty is a slippery slope that makes it *easier* for tragedies like the above to happen. Banning the death penalty wouldn't be a panacea, but hopefully it would help make unjust executions more rare.
这就是为什么我反对除了叛国罪以外的任何死刑。 终身监禁可以说比处决还要难受,更重要的是,允许死刑是一个危险的先例,它会让上述那类悲剧更容易发生。 废除死刑虽然不是什么灵丹妙药,但希望这至少能让非正义的处决变得少一些。
tomroot29331 赞2021/11/9
Out of curiosity, why do you make an exception for treason?
好奇问一下,为什么你要把叛国罪列为例外?
freehouse_throwaway47 赞2021/11/9
Welp I'm done with this thread.
哎,这楼我不跟了。
SleepDeprivedUserUK903 赞2021/11/9
[Joe Arridy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy), and [George Stinney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney) are perhaps two of the most cruel executions to have gone forward. Not physically cruel; executions have gone wrong, and people have suffered terribly, but certainly needlessly cruel. An obviously mentally challenged man, and a black child convicted by an all-white jury.
[乔·阿里迪](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy) 和 [乔治·斯丁尼](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stinney) 的死刑判决,或许是历史上最残酷的两起案例了。 倒不是说行刑过程有多残忍——虽然确实发生过执行事故,导致犯人遭受了极大的痛苦——但这两起案件本身无疑是毫无必要的残酷。 一个是心智明显有障碍的成年人,另一个是被全白人陪审团定罪的黑人小孩。
Dwaynedibley24601286 赞2021/11/9
George Stinney was innocent...
乔治·斯丁尼根本就是无辜的……
SerakTheRigellian209 赞2021/11/9
Look up Carol chessman. Three strikes and he got the death penalty, but he was only a crook. He was accused and convicted for rape, but after the fact the victim said she didn't really think it was him and was part of his clemency campaign. The book, "when you read this, they'll have killed me." is haunting.
去查查卡里尔·切斯曼(Carol Chessman)。这哥们儿因为“三振出局法”被判了死刑,但他其实就是个小混混。他被指控并因强奸罪定罪,但事后受害者表示她觉得根本不是他干的,还参与了他的减刑运动。那本书《当你读到这段文字时,他们已经杀了我》(When you read this, they'll have killed me.)真的让人毛骨悚然。
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So was Joe Arridy. Tbh it doesn't matter if they were guilty or innocent. It shouldn't have happened either way. There was no real evidence in either case and neither was mentally fit to be put to death (not disparaging George Stinney's intelligence; but a 14 year old is FAR too young to be interrogated by the police and for their "confession" to be treated as true. Kids are easily swayed by adults. You can get a kid to confess to anything if you try hard enough)
乔·阿里迪(Joe Arridy)也是一样。 说实话,他们是有罪还是无辜根本不重要。无论如何,这种事都不该发生。 这两个案子压根儿就没什么实质性的证据,而且他们俩在精神状态上也不适合被处死(我不是瞧不起乔治·斯蒂尼(George Stinney)的智商;但14岁实在太小了,根本经不起警察的审讯,更不该把他们的“口供”当真。小孩子很容易被大人左右。只要你够下功夫,随便什么罪名都能让小孩认下)。
SleepDeprivedUserUK139 赞2021/11/9
Yup, the US has executed plenty of innocent folk. Strapped down, and shot, hanged, eletrocuted, or injected with chemicals to stop you breathing so you suffocate. U.S.A! U.S.A! It's like the PETA of the world.
没错,美国处决过的无辜平民多得去了。把你绑在上面,然后开枪、绞刑、电刑,或者注射化学药剂让你停止呼吸,活活憋死。 美利坚!美利坚!这国家简直就是世界版的PETA(善待动物组织,此处带有讽刺意味)。
Ambitious_Ad137926 赞2021/11/9
PETA of the world?
全球范围内的“善待动物组织”(PETA)?
SleepDeprivedUserUK83 赞2021/11/9
PETA puts down more animals than any other shelter in the world. It's sort of a death camp for animals.
PETA 宰杀的动物比世界上任何一家收容所都要多。 这地方简直就是动物的集中营。
Pakrat_Miz49 赞2021/11/9
Don’t forget the kidnap pets from people and put them down within hours of the kidnappings Also they drowned hundreds of lobsters by putting them in the wrong kind of water (fresh or salt I forget which one the lobsters needed)
别忘了他们还会绑架别人家的宠物,甚至在抢走后的几小时内就把它们给安乐死了。 而且他们之前还把几百只龙虾扔进错误的水里(我忘了龙虾到底是需要淡水还是咸水了),活活把它们给淹死了。
Rein21515 赞2021/11/9
Seriously though, the amount of cases where people were exonerated just before their execution, or years later, suggests the USA kills far more innocent people than we know for sure.
说真的,那些在死刑执行前一刻,或者事隔多年才被证明清白的人数,足以说明美国错杀的无辜者远比我们确切知道的要多得多。
youknowiactafool18 赞2021/11/9
From the wikipedia page on George Stinney: "A re-examination of Stinney's case began in 2004, and several individuals and the Northeastern University School of Law sought a judicial review. Stinney's conviction was vacated in 2014, seventy years after he was executed, when a court ruled that he had not received a fair trial, effectively clearing his name." Welp at least his name was cleared 70 years after his execution. That's all that really matters. /s
来自乔治·斯汀尼(George Stinney)的维基百科页面: “2004年起,斯汀尼的案件被重新审查,多方人士及东北大学法学院寻求司法复核。2014年,在斯汀尼被处决七十年后,法院裁定他当年并未获得公正审判,撤销了对他的定罪,这也变相还了他清白。” 哎,好歹他在被处决70年后清白了。这才是最重要的,对吧。/s
gumboy_477 赞2021/11/8
Was the green mile based on this? That’s exactly what happens in the green mile.
《绿里奇迹》是根据这个改编的吗?电影里发生的事儿简直一模一样。
Crowbarmagic221 赞2021/11/8
When I learned about this case I suspected Stephen King might have been inspired by it. An inmate on death row who kind of has the innocence and intelligence as that of a kid (and didn't do it).
当我了解到这个案子的时候,我怀疑斯蒂芬·金可能就是受了它的启发。一个死囚犯,有着孩子般的纯真和智力(而且他根本没干那事儿)。
Toffeemanstan93 赞2021/11/8
The killer also worked for the parents of the victims which is what Sam Rockwells character did
那个杀手也给受害者的父母打工,这跟山姆·洛克威尔饰演的角色干的事情一模一样。
Farva8524 赞2021/11/9
In the movie... it was a book first, and very good read to boot.
在电影里……其实原著是本小说,而且是一本非常值得一读的好书。
jillkimberley16 赞2021/11/9
One of the few instances where the movie was actually better than the book.
为数不多的电影比原著还要好看的例子之一。
AmazingRise106 赞2021/11/8
Same thing I was thinking. King must've been inspired by this.
我也正这么想呢。斯蒂芬·金肯定是受了这部的启发。
TuskaTheDaemonKilla64 赞2021/11/8
The sad thing is that there's enough situations like this that King might not have been inspired by this specific one.
可悲的是,现实中类似的情况太多了,金大爷指不定根本就不是受这一件具体事件的启发。
Uruz2012gotdeleted15 赞2021/11/8
"Of Mice and Men" is a good fit for inspiration too.
《人鼠之间》用来当灵感来源也很合适。
shitheadsteve6460 赞2021/11/8
This is one of the very few stories that is hard for me to read.
这真的是极少数让我读起来很难受的故事之一。
cameron0511217 赞2021/11/8
Just think he had no idea what was happening he probably had no fear.
一想到他根本不知道发生了什么,估计当时他心里一点儿都不怕,我就……
shitheadsteve6179 赞2021/11/8
Yeah that's the scary part. He thought it was just going to another normal day, but had no clue that it was going to be his last day on Earth. It is also the face he is making in the picture, he is just so happy.
对,这才是最吓人的地方。他本来以为这只是平平无奇的一天,根本不知道这会是他在这世上的最后一天。还有照片里他那表情,看起来真的好开心。
cameron0511116 赞2021/11/9
Idk his ignorance kinda gives me comfort
我不知道啊,他那种什么都不知道的状态反而让我觉得心里好受点。
superpinwheel64 赞2021/11/9
Yeah I get you. At least he probably wasn't scared in his final moments. Poor guy.
我懂你的意思。至少他在生命的最后时刻应该没怎么受惊吓。真可怜。
crackhitler149 赞2021/11/9
I don't think it was this story but reminds me of a mentally handicapped man who was sentenced to death and he ate his last meal along with 1 slice of pie from the pie he got. They asked him if he was going to finish ait and he said no I'm saving it for tomorrow. He literally didn't understand he was being put to death.
我觉得应该不是这个故事,但这让我想起有个智力障碍的人被判了死刑,他吃最后一餐时,留了一块派没吃。狱卒问他是不是不吃了,他说:“不,我留着明天吃。” 他是真的完全没意识到自己马上就要被处死了。
RonanTheAccused37 赞2021/11/9
Somebody had told me this story before. As expected throughout his young life he was mistreated by his peers due to his mental condition. However while in prison he was treated good by the inmates, guards, and the warden who actually joined the fight to clear his name. The Warden was also the person who gave him the toy train as a gift.
有人之前给我讲过这个故事。不出所料,他年轻时因为智力问题一直受人欺负。但在监狱里,他却受到了囚犯、狱警,甚至监狱长的善待,监狱长后来还加入了帮他洗清冤屈的行列。那个作为礼物送给他的玩具火车,也是监狱长给的。
Stellen99920 赞2021/11/9
This thought actually made me teary. Just imagine a person who lived a life so hard that his time in prison was the best part of it. A good natured 5 year old in the body of a grown man who managed to make hardened convicts and prison guards like him enough to treat him decently. For the first time in his life the people around him were nice to him, and he went to his own execution smiling. Jesus, sometimes I feel like the world isn't worth it.
想到这儿我眼眶都湿了。试想一个人活得有多惨,才会觉得坐牢竟然是他人生中最美好的时光。一个困在成年人躯壳里、天性善良的五岁小孩,竟然能让那些铁石心肠的罪犯和狱警都喜欢他,对他礼遇有加。这是他人生中第一次被人温柔以待,而他最后是笑着走向刑场的。天呐,有时候我觉得这个世界真不值得。
KasamUK384 赞2021/11/8
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” Gandalf
“许多活着的人该死,许多死去的人该活。你能给他们生命吗?所以,不要在审判时那么急着去断送别人的性命。因为即使是智者,也无法预见所有的结局。” ——甘道夫
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I imagine this is part of why he got promoted after he died.
我猜这就是他死后还能升职的原因之一吧。
Duke-Lazarus40 赞2021/11/9
Totally off topic in this thread but.. This is one of the reasons why I like lord of the rings. The many smart/wise text like these which are being said. But when I rewatched the trilogy lately I watched it with the knowledge that Tolkien was a WW 1 veteran. Back before al those saying became used that much in movies. Gave me a interesting and good view of things. Not sure what’s the use of sharing this is, but your post reminded me of this. Wisdom is in the small things they say!
虽然在这个帖子里讨论这个有点跑题了,但是…… 这就是我喜欢《指环王》的原因之一。里面有太多像这样充满智慧的话语。 不过最近重温这部三部曲的时候,我是带着“托尔金是第一次世界大战老兵”这个认知去看的。毕竟在那时候,这些话还没像现在这样在电影里被用烂了。 这让我对这些内容有了很有意思、也很棒的见解。 不知道分享这些有什么用,但你的帖子让我想到了这些。 智慧就藏在他们所说的细微之处!
manjerk77241 赞2021/11/9
I just learned about this recently. It was a podcast titled "the happiest man on death row". It's very sad. Apparently the Warden befriended him, and even cared for him like his child. Many people tried to get him pardoned to no avail.
我最近刚听说这件事。是个叫“死囚区最快乐的人”的播客。 这事儿真挺让人难受的。据说典狱长和他成了朋友,甚至像对待自己孩子一样照顾他。很多人想帮他申请特赦,但都没成。
MrAwful-29 赞2021/11/9
which podcast specifically? there’s multiple with this title
具体是哪个播客?叫这个名字的有好几个。
cursingsum9189 赞2021/11/8
The inmate on the left. What was he in for and did he keep the train.
左边那个犯人。他到底是犯了什么事儿进去的?还有,他把那辆火车(模型/玩具)留下了吗?
MrAwful-66 赞2021/11/9
Iirc he told Arridy he would be trading the train for a golden harp. Arridy accepted the trade.
如果我没记错的话,他当时告诉 Arridy 说会用那列火车去换一把金竖琴。Arridy 答应了这个交易。
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damn it just gets worse and worse
真他妈的,这事儿真是越听越糟。
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v8powerage96 赞2021/11/8
If that was his mental age then he shouldn't been executed and not in prison at all, some mental institution maybe.
如果那是他的心理年龄,那他根本就不该被处死,甚至连监狱都不该待,应该送去精神病院之类的才对。
cameron051143 赞2021/11/8
And he didn’t even do it.
而且他根本就没干过那事。
McKomie34 赞2021/11/9
He was innocent and shouldn't be anywhere near any of these instituting
他是清白的,根本就不该被关进那种鬼地方。
Autumn98850 赞2021/11/8
Things were (sadly) different in 1939.
(可惜)1939 年那会儿情况确实不一样。
DumpsterNatalie44 赞2021/11/9
Things are currently the same in 2021 here in Singapore. We are about to (on Wednesday) execute a drug mule with an IQ of 69. A short stay of execution has been granted which postponed the execution by one day. https://amp.smh.com.au/world/asia/two-days-before-hanging-singapore-prisoner-granted-stay-of-execution-20211108-p596zd.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/singapore-execution-death-row/2021/11/08/590942b8-403d-11ec-9404-50a28a88b9cd_story.html edit: typo
2021年的新加坡现在也还是老样子。我们这边(周三)就要处决一名智商只有69的运毒“骡子”了。 死刑执行被紧急叫停,推迟了一天。 https://amp.smh.com.au/world/asia/two-days-before-hanging-singapore-prisoner-granted-stay-of-execution-20211108-p596zd.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/singapore-execution-death-row/2021/11/08/590942b8-403d-11ec-9404-50a28a88b9cd_story.html 编辑:改个错别字
Cringypost21 赞2021/11/9
So am I reading this right? Approx 2 oz of drugs gets you hanged?
所以我是没看错吧?带个大概2盎司毒品就得被绞死?
Another_Idiot4206931 赞2021/11/9
They kill drug traffickers which is why there are no drugs there...well, except all the trafficked drugs
他们把毒贩都给宰了,所以那儿根本没毒品……嗯,除了所有那些走私进来的毒品之外。
DumpsterNatalie17 赞2021/11/9
As long as you’re caught with more than 0.5 oz (yes that’s half an ounce) of heroin there is a mandatory death sentence. The following is a list of drugs and the associated threshold for a mandatory execution in Singapore; * 1200 grams (42 oz) of opium and containing more than 30 grams (1 oz) of morphine * 30 grams (1 oz) of morphine * 15 grams (0.5 oz) of diamorphine (heroin) * 30 grams (1 oz) of cocaine * 500 grams (17 oz) of cannabis * 1000 grams (35 oz) of cannabis mixture * 200 grams (7 oz) of cannabis resin * 250 grams (8 oz) of methamphetamine edit: added imperial units
只要你被抓到身上带了超过 0.5 盎司(没错,就是半盎司)的海洛因,那就是强制死刑。 以下是在新加坡被判强制死刑的各类毒品及其门槛剂量清单: * 1200 克(42 盎司)鸦片,且含有超过 30 克(1 盎司)的吗啡 * 30 克(1 盎司)吗啡 * 15 克(0.5 盎司)二乙酰吗啡(海洛因) * 30 克(1 盎司)可卡因 * 500 克(17 盎司)大麻 * 1000 克(35 盎司)大麻混合物 * 200 克(7 盎司)大麻脂 * 250 克(8 盎司)甲基苯丙胺(冰毒) 编辑:补上了英制单位。
drnoodleranger60 赞2021/11/8
Your title is pretty misleading. Arridy made a false confession and did not actually commit any crimes.
你的标题太有误导性了。Arridy 是做了虚假招供,他实际上根本没犯过任何罪。
[已删除]41 赞2021/11/9
The title is completely accurate, not misleading at all. He *reportedly* made a confession after hours of interrogation by police. The timeline is a bit scrambled but I believe they already had the real killer in hand. Even if he confessed, the confession of an obviously mentally disabled person shouldn't count for anything. With his very limited mental capacity, it would be extremely easy to get him to confess to pretty much anything as long as he's verbal which it sounds like he was. The fact that pretty much anything he said should be seen as mostly just random rambling of a very disabled man should be evident quickly to anyone after an hour of discussion.
这个标题完全准确,一点都不误导。他是在被警方审讯数小时后“据称”做出了招供。虽然时间线有点混乱,但我相信当时警方手里已经抓到真凶了。就算他招供了,一个明显智力障碍的人的招供也不该作数。 以他极其有限的智力水平,只要他能开口说话(听起来他确实能),想让他承认任何事简直易如反掌。任何人在跟他聊上一个小时后,理应很快就能看出来,他说的那些话大部分都只是个残障人士的胡言乱语而已。
DocSternau55 赞2021/11/8
Another example why the death sentence is just wrong. Always was and always will be.
这又是一个证明死刑纯属错误的例子。过去是,将来也永远是。
Neubauer40145 赞2021/11/8
Is this what Green Mile’s based on?
这就是《绿里奇迹》的原型吗?
Treklow19 赞2021/11/8
I was thinking the exact same thing. That movie changed my perspective of death row.
我当时也是这么想的。那部电影彻底改变了我对死囚牢房的看法。
[已删除]33 赞2021/11/9
Whoever forced the fake confession out of him, should've been sentenced to death. Fucking disgusting
无论是谁逼他做出的伪供,都该被判死刑。真他妈恶心。
cornerdweler29 赞2021/11/8
Why did he give away his train?
他为什么要送走他的小火车?
cameron051136 赞2021/11/8
I think it was a guard who felt bad for him and was nice to him.
我觉得是个守卫看他可怜,对他挺好的。
HeyesFTW29 赞2021/11/8
I cannot comprehend how many people failed him; even *if* there had been physical evidence of his part in the crime, he wasn't mentally capable of premeditation, or even understanding that his actions were criminal!
我真的无法理解怎么会有那么多人辜负了他;就算他真参与了这起罪案且有实质证据,以他的心智水平,他根本没能力预谋犯罪,甚至连自己做的事是违法的都理解不了!
UnpraticalPerson21 赞2021/11/9
This guys life is so fucking sad it makes me wanna cry
这哥们儿的人生简直操蛋得让人想哭。
[已删除]20 赞2021/11/9
Holy crap thats sad. Capital punishment is a disgrace.
天哪,这也太悲惨了。死刑简直就是一种耻辱。
CLxJames15 赞2021/11/9
The story behind this is sickening. Basically a DA looking to make a name for himself still wanted this man to be executed even though there was evidence uncovered that he had nothing to do with the crime [Video explanation](https://youtu.be/dcD_omEU1sk)
这背后的故事真让人作呕。简单来说,有个地方检察官为了给自己攒名声,哪怕已经有证据表明这人跟那起犯罪毫无关联,他还是执意要让这人被处死。 [视频讲解](https://youtu.be/dcD_omEU1sk)
[已删除]13 赞2021/11/8
Man every time I see this it just breaks my heart.
天哪,每次看到这个我心都碎了。
AngelenoEsq13 赞2021/11/9
If a law violates one person's constitutional rights, it is unconstitutional to all. His 8th Amendment rights were violated as a matter of fact - state has admitted it. Why is the death penalty not unconstitutional to all from this? Edit: because we ain't ready for that conversation in this country...
如果一条法律侵犯了一个人的宪法权利,那它对所有人来说都是违宪的。事实就是他的第八修正案权利受到了侵犯——州政府都已经承认了。为什么死刑没有因此被判定对所有人违宪?编辑:因为这国家还没准备好讨论这个问题呢……
DBDude10 赞2021/11/9
You know it's a travesty when the prison warden himself joins the effort to save an inmate.
当监狱长本人都亲自加入营救囚犯的行列时,你就知道这事儿有多荒唐了。
wookies_go_raawghh8 赞2021/11/9
I looked up the story etc about this guy, it is one of the saddest things i ever read
我去查了这个人的相关故事等等,这绝对是我读过最让人心碎的事情之一。
aabum7 赞2021/11/9
A shining example that the system of justice which is criminal typically contains the worst criminals that society has to offer. As a society we deserve better. We need to exercise our right to hold accountable those who are in positions of authority.
这就是一个鲜活的例子,证明了那个本身就充满罪恶的司法系统,往往容纳着社会上最烂的罪犯。作为一个社会,我们理应得到更好的对待。我们需要行使我们的权利,去追究那些身居高位者的责任。
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