涅槃乐队在为专辑《Nevermind》拍照期间，1991年
涅槃乐队在拍摄其专辑《Nevermind》的照片，该专辑于30年前的今天发布。1991年。（800x541）
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[已删除]1,267 赞2021/9/25
"this is dumb, just throw a random baby in the water. I mean, what's he doing to do, SUE US? HAHAHAH"
这太蠢了，直接随便扔个小孩进水里不就完了。我的意思是，他能干嘛，告我们？哈哈哈哈。
Garbage_Stink_Hands542 赞2021/9/25
He didn’t sue them because they threw him in the water. Their mistake was fishing him out.
他没因为被扔进水里而起诉他们。他们错就错在又把他给捞上来了。
Cripnite32 赞2021/9/26
That kid milked the hell out of being the Nirvana baby and when that money dried up, he decided to sue them because of damages. If it bugged him that much he never would have made appearances as the Nirvana baby. He could have shut up about it and most people would never know it was him.
那小子把“涅槃乐队封面婴儿”这身份的油水榨得一干二净，等钱花光了，就决定以造成伤害为由起诉他们。如果这事儿真让他那么不爽，他压根儿就不会再以“涅槃婴儿”的身份公开露面了。他完全可以闭嘴不提，那样的话大部分人根本就不会知道那是他。
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I really hope that suit gets thrown out. What a joke.
真希望那场官司赶紧被驳回。简直是个笑话。
NZNoldor95 赞2021/9/25
I don’t think he was wearing a suit.
我觉得他没穿西装吧。
Tumleren70 赞2021/9/25
Uh yeah, in the picture he's clearly in his birthday suit
呃，是啊，照片里他明明光着身子呢。
funkdified20 赞2021/9/25
I came for the obvious baby comment, and somehow ended up laughing hysterically for multiple minutes about this. Well said.
我本来是冲着那个显而易见的婴儿梗来的，结果莫名其妙对着这玩意儿狂笑了好几分钟。说得太到位了。
959 赞2021/9/25
Fun fact Krist Novoselic now has a degree in environmental science
有趣的小知识：Krist Novoselic 现在拿到了环境科学的学位。
321 赞2021/9/25
Wasn’t he on Seattle city council or something like that? Edit: I looked it up, he’s very politically involved but I can’t find that he’s ever held elected office.
他不是在西雅图市议会还是什么地方任过职吗？
编辑：我查了一下，他确实非常热衷政治，但我没找到他担任过任何民选公职的记录。
242 赞2021/9/25
He's also [Trump supporter](https://globalnews.ca/news/7020778/nirvana-krist-novoselic-donald-trump-praise/), which no longer matters, but I found surprising for some reason.
他还是个[特朗普支持者](https://globalnews.ca/news/7020778/nirvana-krist-novoselic-donald-trump-praise/)，虽然这早就不重要了，但不知为何我还是觉得挺意外的。
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30 赞2021/9/25
He's from that part of Washington where people are both far-right and also leftist at the same time.
他老家那边华盛顿州的人，挺有意思的，既是极右翼又是左派，属于缝合怪。
21 赞2021/9/25
He says he’s an independent and Dave Grohl agreed with him regarding his controversial post.
他自称是独立派人士，而且戴夫·格罗尔（Dave Grohl）也支持他针对那条争议帖子的说法。
126 赞2021/9/25
He probably does support trump but his statement was mainly directed towards how much he was upset over rioting and destroying businesses. I think everyone can agree that innocent people get hurt during violent civil unrest and that sucks.
他可能确实支持特朗普，但他那番话主要是针对他对暴乱和打砸商铺感到有多沮丧。我觉得大家应该都能达成共识：在暴力社会动荡中，无辜者受害简直烂透了。
61 赞2021/9/25
I think we were all upset about the civil unrest, that doesn't suddenly make us support trump, or justify using Federal soldiers to snatch people off the streets and subdue a civilian population. We also witnessed countless footage of law enforcement on all levels abusing their power and mistreating the population, but I didn't see anybody stepping forward to combat that. Feels like a very specific thing to support, which sucks, because I've been a fan of his
我觉得我们当时都对社会动荡感到沮丧，但这并不能让我们突然就去支持特朗普，也不能让动用联邦士兵在街头强行抓人、镇压平民的行为变得正当。我们也见证了无数来自各级执法部门滥用职权、虐待民众的视频，但没见谁站出来制止那点。感觉去支持这种特定的行为真的很让人无语，这挺烂的，因为我以前一直是他的粉丝。
20 赞2021/9/25
Were we all? As a pro-vax, Biden voter, Reddit really justified the civil unrest during it.
我们都感到沮丧吗？作为一名支持疫苗、投拜登票的人，Reddit 当时可是真的在为那场社会动荡找借口啊。
24 赞2021/9/25
>I think we were all upset about the civil unrest I wasn't. It turned to civil unrest because of the fucking cops. At least where I'm at, we had peaceful marches, until the cops killed one kid and gave another brain damage with beanbags to the head and then shot the people trying to carry him to an ambulance with bean bags too. For no fucking reason. After that, hell yeah, people started burning shit down. All they had to do was let people march without killing innocent kids for no fucking reason. That's why shit burned down. Because the cops responded to protests about police violence with unchecked violence resulting in yet MORE innocent deaths. And yeah, I'm pissed all the fucking pearl clutching about "OMG civil unrest." Fuck that, all that needed to happen for people not to burn shit down is for cops to let people fucking march peacefully, instead they just said "light those fuckers up," and well, protesters responded in kind.
>我觉得大家肯定都对社会动荡感到不安。
我可没有。之所以演变成社会动荡，全特么是警察惹的祸。至少在我这儿，游行本来挺和平的，直到警察杀了一个孩子，又用豆袋弹把另一个孩子的脑袋打出脑损伤，接着连那些试图把他抬去救护车的人也一并射击。根本没个理由。
在那之后，没错，大家伙儿开始烧东西了。他们本来只要让人安静游行、别无缘无故地杀害无辜孩子不就完了吗？
这就是为什么一切会被烧毁。因为警察用毫无节制的暴力来回应抗议警察暴力的示威，结果又导致了更多无辜者的死亡。
还有啊，什么“天呐，社会动荡”，听听这些虚伪的鬼话，我真是特么的火大。去他的吧，要不是警察非得去攻击那些和平游行的人，根本就不会有这一出。他们当时直接下令“把这帮杂碎干掉”，那好啊，抗议者自然也就以牙还牙了。
31 赞2021/9/25
Well, cities should hire cops that protect life and property using as little violence as possible. If the cops hasn’t tried responded to anti-police-brutality protests with ALL the police brutality they could manage, the protests would not have gotten so big.
嗯，城市招募的警察应该尽可能少用暴力，去保护生命和财产安全才对。如果警察当初不是用尽浑身解数来回应抗议警察暴力的示威，抗议活动根本就不会闹得这么大。
16 赞2021/9/25
> I think everyone can agree that innocent people get hurt during violent civil unrest and that sucks. Mostly by military-style police
> 我想大家肯定都能同意，在暴力骚乱中无辜平民会受伤，这真的很操蛋。
主要是被那种军事化武装的警察搞出来的。
190 赞2021/9/25
Why does it no longer matter? Right wing extremism is still valid and terrifying.
为什么现在这都不重要了？右翼极端主义依然是真实存在的，而且令人毛骨悚然。
80 赞2021/9/25
it's the largest threat to democracy
这可是对民主最大的威胁。
19 赞2021/9/25
He has a BA in “Social Science” from Washington State University, according to what I can find on Twitter and his Wikipedia page. https://twitter.com/NirvanaFanatics/status/754702165260767232?s=20 Edit: after more research he actually graduated *Magna cum laude*. Here’s the graduation roster from 2016, he’s on page 52, left hand column, half way down: https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/2458/2019/09/wsu-spring-commencement-2016-program_webaccessible.pdf
根据我在推特和他的维基百科页面上能查到的信息，他拥有华盛顿州立大学的“社会科学”学士学位。
https://twitter.com/NirvanaFanatics/status/754702165260767232?s=20
编辑：经过进一步搜索，他其实是以“优等生”（Magna cum laude）身份毕业的。这是2016年的毕业名册，他在第52页，左侧栏，从上往下数中间的位置：
https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/2458/2019/09/wsu-spring-commencement-2016-program_webaccessible.pdf
30 赞2021/9/25
And isn't he kind of batshit too?
而且他不也是个彻头彻尾的疯子吗？
18 赞2021/9/25
Didn’t he end up being a bit of a Trumper, or am I misremembering? EDIT: [This](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jun/03/nirvana-krist-novoselic-praises-trumps-strong-and-direct-protest-speech) is what I was remembering—I guess it was just the one incident.
他最后是不是成了一个“川粉”，还是我记错了？
EDIT: [这个](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jun/03/nirvana-krist-novoselic-praises-trumps-strong-and-direct-protest-speech) 就是我记得的那件事——我猜那只是个孤立事件吧。
27 赞2021/9/25
Makes me think of the drummer of System of a Down who is a Trump supporter. Really surprised me considering the band's music is very much not that.
这让我想到了“堕落体制”（System of a Down）乐队的鼓手，他是个特朗普支持者。考虑到这支乐队的音乐风格完全不是那一挂的，这真的让我很惊讶。
15 赞2021/9/25
Drummer that's too dumb to realize he's been playing in a leftist band for years. Doesn't help the stereotype.
这个鼓手蠢到家了，玩了这么多年左翼乐队都没发现。还真是一点没给这刻板印象减分。
681 赞2021/9/25
That guitar is now suing the band for royalties and for illegal guitar pornography
那把吉他现在正起诉乐队索要版税，还控告他们搞非法吉他色情内容呢。
85 赞2021/9/25
Sporting wood like that, I can see why
支起那种“帐篷”（暗指生理反应），我倒是能理解为什么。
313 赞2021/9/25
They look so much younger in the final photo. It's amazing what good lighting can do.
最后那张照片里他们看起来年轻多了。不得不说，好的打光效果简直神了。
48 赞2021/9/25
Are you talking about the money shot? You know, with the money?
你说的是那张“撒钱”的照片吗？就是那张带钞票的，懂我意思吧？
235 赞2021/9/25
Can’t open my eyes under water, shit always impresses me.
我在水下连眼睛都睁不开，这种操作每次都看得我目瞪口呆，牛逼。
85 赞2021/9/25
So this doesn't work as well depending on what type of water you're in, but try this: Start with eyes closed, blowing air from your throat putting pressure into kinda where your eyes are at. Puff your cheeks so you can feel them puffed and squint. Then slowly unpuff your cheeks and squint to open your eyes more and as you unpuff your cheeks you blow air from your throat in to your cheeks as you deflate to unsquint to fully open. IDK the science behind it but it works for me almost always.
这招管不管用还得看你在什么样的水里，不过你可以试试这个：
先闭上眼，从喉咙里往外憋气，给眼睛那块儿施加点压力。把脸颊鼓起来，直到你能感觉到脸颊鼓胀，然后眯起眼睛。接着慢慢把脸颊的气放掉，同时眯着眼把眼睛撑开，在放气的时候，你要从喉咙往脸颊里送气，同时泄气，慢慢把眼睛睁大，直到完全睁开。
不知道这背后的科学原理是啥，但对我来说基本回回都灵。
63 赞2021/9/25
I find that simply opening my eyes works pretty well.
我发现直接睁眼效果就挺好的。
23 赞2021/9/25
Next up in the helpful tips category: "just kinda close your mouth, then blow, and ta-da it's a whistle!"
下一个生活小妙招来了：“就把嘴闭上，然后吹气，噔噔！这就吹出哨子声了！”
174 赞2021/9/25
And now I feel old. This is the straw that broke my grunge camel’s back.
现在我感觉自己真老了。这简直是压垮我这只“颓废骆驼”的最后一根稻草。
72 赞2021/9/25
For me it was hearing Nirvana called "oldies" on the radio. Then I was like, "if you played me music from 1961 in 1991, I would also consider it oldies." Face it bruh, we old as shit.
对我来说，是听到电台把涅槃乐队（Nirvana）的歌归类为“老歌”的时候。当时我心想：“要是1991年那会儿给我放1961年的歌，我肯定也觉得那是老歌。”
面对现实吧老兄，咱们都老得要死了。
25 赞2021/9/25
Yea but music in the 60’s sounded old. 90’s “alternative” and the “modern rock” of the time still sound fucking incredible. My kids often can’t tell if I put on a song and ask them if it “sounds old”.
话是这么说，可60年代的音乐听着确实有年代感啊。90年代的“另类摇滚”和当时那种“现代摇滚”到现在听起来还是炸得不行。我放歌问孩子们这歌听着“老不老”的时候，他们经常根本听不出来。
26 赞2021/9/25
My grandfather is in his 90s and refuses to listen to anything newer than big band music. He doesn't even like Beatles or Rolling Stones - "it's all drugged out nonsense, not real music!"
我爷爷都九十好几了，除了大乐队时代的音乐，别的啥也听不进去。他甚至连披头士和滚石乐队都不待见——他说：“那全是吸了药之后搞出来的乱七八糟的东西，根本不算正经音乐！”
64 赞2021/9/25
Some 70 year olds are more vibrant and active than most 20 year olds. Don't let a number determine how you should feel. But yeah... I know what you mean.
有些七十岁的人可比大多数二十岁的年轻人有活力多了。别让一个数字定义了你应该有的状态。
不过话说回来……我懂你的意思。
20 赞2021/9/25
And I’m copywriting “Grunge Camel” as the name for my AliceGardenJam Sasquatch rock cover band.
我要把“Grunge Camel”（垃圾摇滚骆驼）给注册成版权，作为我那支“爱丽丝花园果酱野人”摇滚翻唱乐队的名字。
94 赞2021/9/25
Dave Grohl is the poster boy for a beard making you less ugly
戴夫·格罗尔（Dave Grohl）简直是“留胡子能让你不那么丑”的最佳代言人。
19 赞2021/9/25
Lol, what? There are people out there with legit fucked up faces hidden behind beards, but somehow Dave Grohl? He's not even ugly.
哈哈，啥玩意儿？
有些人胡子底下藏着那张脸简直是丑得离谱，但戴夫·格罗尔？他压根儿就不丑好吗。
39 赞2021/9/25
To each their own but I stand by my point.
各花入各眼吧，但我坚持我的观点。
75 赞2021/9/25
I think the most ridiculous story I heard this year is the baby who was in the picture of the album cover is suing because they made money "off of child porn" https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58327844
我觉得今年听过最离谱的事儿，就是那个涅槃乐队专辑封面上出镜的婴儿，居然起诉乐队，理由是他们靠“儿童色情”赚了钱。
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58327844
90 赞2021/9/25
He is clearly suing for money because the rest of Nirvana didn’t show up at his art show and he recreates the photo ever year
他这明摆着就是为了搞钱，因为涅槃乐队的其他成员没去参加他的个人艺术展，而且他自己每年还都会把那张照片重新拍一遍呢。
51 赞2021/9/25
Guess he’s still chasing those dollar bills after all these years
看来过了这么多年，他还是在那儿死盯着钱袋子不放啊。
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I can't wait for that chucklefuck to be laughed out of the courtroom.
我简直迫不及待想看到那个蠢货在法庭上被众人嘲笑到无地自容的样子。
20 赞2021/9/25
It's disgusting that our culture is so hung up on fucked-up puritan notions of "modesty" that the mere sight of genitalia can conjure up connotations of sex and shame. Am I supposed to feel dirty whenever I change my kids' diapers? I'm sure even questioning this makes me a filthy pervert in the minds of some people. We all have 'em, folks, and I hate to disappoint you but they're not really all that different from person to person.
我们的文化居然还对那种变态的清教徒式“羞耻感”念念不忘，以至于仅仅是看到生殖器就能让人联想到性与罪恶，这真是太恶心了。难道我每次给孩子换尿布时都该感到肮脏吗？我敢肯定，在某些人眼里，仅仅是提出这个疑问就足以让我变成一个下流的变态。
各位，我们每个人都有那玩意儿，很抱歉让你们失望了，但其实人与人之间的那点区别根本没那么大。
40 赞2021/9/25
Crazy how this album is older than Kurt ever was
这张专辑比科特（Kurt）去世时的岁数还要老，真是疯狂。
20 赞2021/9/25
Shit..
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Jorts huh. Haven't seen those in awhile.
牛仔短裤啊，呵。好久没见人穿这玩意儿了。
29 赞2021/9/25
The Ringer has a good article about the day before Nevermind released, and how it changed everything. https://www.theringer.com/music/2021/9/24/22690755/nirvana-night-before-nevermind-boston-concert
The Ringer 有篇好文章，讲的是《Nevermind》发行前一天发生的事，以及那一天是如何改变了一切。https://www.theringer.com/music/2021/9/24/22690755/nirvana-night-before-nevermind-boston-concert
27 赞2021/9/25
Me: “I was going to make a clever joke, but nevermi—“ Imperial guard: “It’s all over lawbreaker!”
我：“我本来想讲个机智的冷笑话，但 nevermi——（涅槃/算了——）”
帝国卫兵：“你完蛋了，违法者！”
25 赞2021/9/25
This is a particularly fun fact because it’s my birthday
这个事实还挺逗的，因为正好是我的生日。
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Where's the litigious baby?
那个爱打官司的宝宝呢？
13 赞2021/9/25
Any context on why the invited that dude from Foo Fighters to the photo shoot?
有人知道为啥他们找了Foo Fighters那个哥们儿来拍写真吗？
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And Blood Sugar Sex Magik (RHCP) was released 30 years ago as well! What a truly wonderful year for music!
而且《Blood Sugar Sex Magik》（呛辣红椒乐队专辑）也是30年前发行的！那对于音乐来说真是太棒的一年！
11 赞2021/9/25
The Red Hot Chili Peppers' album Blood Sugar Sex Magik (their best album imo) was also released 30 years ago today. And I've seen a picture of a ticket stub from that tour with RHCP headlining and Pearl Jam and Nirvana opening for $20. I wish time travel existed.
呛辣红椒乐队的《Blood Sugar Sex Magik》（在我看来是他们最棒的专辑）也是在30年前的今天发行的。我曾看到过一张那场巡演的票根照片，当时呛辣红椒领衔，珍珠果酱乐队和涅槃乐队做开场嘉宾，票价才20美元。真希望有时光机啊。
10 赞2021/9/25
So the baby was there that day too? Or was it two separate pool photoshoots?
所以那天那个婴儿也在场？还是说那是两次不同的泳池拍摄活动？
10 赞2021/9/25
Dude.... is it just me or does the guy on the left look like Dave Grohl? Am I going crazy?
哥们儿……是我眼花了吗，左边那哥们儿看起来是不是像戴夫·格罗尔（Dave Grohl）？
我是不是疯了？
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Getting old sucks sometimes, but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. RIP Kurt.
人变老有时候确实挺烂的，但这可比另一种结局（死了）强多了。致敬科特（Kurt），安息吧。
5 赞2021/9/25
The baby from the cover is still suing for royalties on his photo and to get it taken off since it is child porn. https://r.search.yahoo.com/\_ylt=AwrJ7FT0ME5hCNoAth9XNyoA;\_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1632543092/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.yahoo.com%2fentertainment%2fman-appeared-nirvanas-nevermind-cover-165851278.html%3ffr%3dsycsrp\_catchall/RK=2/RS=lu21ZUJDnc6VcIdNgCeCLgVnZuI-
那个封面上的婴儿还在为了他的照片版税起诉，并要求把封面撤下来，因为他觉得那是儿童色情。https://r.search.yahoo.com/\_ylt=AwrJ7FT0ME5hCNoAth9XNyoA;\_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1632543092/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.yahoo.com%2fentertainment%2fman-appeared-nirvanas-nevermind-cover-165851278.html%3ffr%3dsycsrp\_catchall/RK=2/RS=lu21ZUJDnc6VcIdNgCeCLgVnZuI-
70 赞2021/9/25
>since it is child porn You're wording this in a way that implies you also believe it is CP The guy himself doesn't even think that, he made a huge deal out of being on the cover and got 'nevermind' tattooed on his chest, then filed this suit after the surviving band members refused to attend his art show
>既然这是儿童色情（CP）
你这话听着好像你自己也觉得这是儿童色情一样。
当事人自己都没这么觉得，他当初为了能上封面可是大张旗鼓地宣传，还在胸口纹了个“Nevermind”，结果后来乐队在世成员没去捧场他的艺术展，他反手就给人家告了。
4 赞2021/9/25
For a minute there I thought I was seeing Benicio Del Toro and Edward Norton.
有那么一瞬间，我以为我看到了贝尼西奥·德尔·托罗和爱德华·诺顿。
3 赞2021/9/25
I was actually just thinking of the start of the grunge years. Was there a transition band or bands from the hair bands to the grunge bands? I’m not really knowledgeable about music but were there musical influences leading up to the grunge years? The only band I can think of is Guns N Roses since their style seems to be less hair band and more grunge at least from my perspective. But I also know they were a LA rock band which was the home of hair music in the 80s.
我刚才其实正好在想垃圾摇滚（grunge）兴起那会儿的事。从金属头发党（hair bands）到垃圾摇滚乐队之间，有没有什么过渡性的乐队？我对音乐不太懂，但当时有没有什么音乐风格影响了后来垃圾摇滚的诞生？我唯一能想到的就是枪花乐队（Guns N Roses），因为从我的角度看，他们的风格不像典型的头发党金属，更偏向垃圾摇滚一点。不过我也知道他们是洛杉矶的摇滚乐队，而那里可是80年代头发党金属的大本营。
3 赞2021/9/25
A poster version from this photo shoot is hanging on the wall in my teenage son’s room right now, along with the Nevermind vinyl and all framed copy of *Revolver* magazine from the month and year my son was born with Kurt Cobain on the cover. Yep, old af… even if I wasn’t quite a teenager myself yet in ‘91.
这次拍摄的海报现在正挂在我那十几岁儿子的房间墙上，旁边还有《Nevermind》的黑胶唱片，以及一本我儿子出生那个月发行的《Revolver》杂志，封面上正是科特·柯本，而且还是装裱好的。没错，老掉牙了……哪怕在 91 年那会儿，我自己都还没完全进入青春期呢。