![An injured man protesting the Yeltsin government during the Russian Constitutional Crisis, 1993 [720x474]](/photos/p28kn9.png)
An injured man protesting the Yeltsin government during the Russian Constitutional Crisis, 1993 [720x474]
An injured man protesting the Yeltsin government during the Russian Constitutional Crisis, 1993 [720x474]
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This_Is_The_End755 赞2021/8/11
This was a coup, not a crisis. Yeltsin made army units shot on the parliament. Yeltsin consulted on all his steps Bill Clinton and received later money for the election campaign.
Livingit123399 赞2021/8/11
It pretty much was a coup, once the parliament was destroyed Russia began a transition to a full Presidential Republic where excessive power was given to the leader at expense of the legislature. With Yeltsin's new Presidential powers he began curbing media freedom immediately as punishment for the "unfair" coverage of the event. Also journalists started to randomly die again, probably because of the increased power he gave to the Oligarchs.
This_Is_The_End170 赞2021/8/11
> Also journalists started to randomly die again. And the media in the west blamed the mobsters. Lol
Livingit123129 赞2021/8/11
I'm not even joking too, right in 1994 you can see it begin again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia#List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia
This_Is_The_End45 赞2021/8/11
Ohh fuck, that is even worse what I knew about it
Morritz17 赞2021/8/11
Wow I have never heard of this side of the yeltsin years, people are always going on about the selling out of the country but I had never heard of this clear subversion of the democratic process.
TheWinks25 赞2021/8/11
You mean the parliament that held a national referendum then ignored the results when they came back unfavorably? Then they started doing lots of other questionably legal things like declaring the annexation of Sevastopol.
Karl-AnthonyMarx35 赞2021/8/11
And most Americans have no idea. So frustrating to see the country of Russia portrayed as this boogeyman by elected officials and the media with nary a word on the events that set it on its current trajectory. To read not-veiled-at-all racist creeds about how untrustworthy the Russians are and how America would never do anything like that. The way the American empire marches on can just be so grim. What good is our democracy if the empire is non-negotiable, supported by both major parties and not even acknowledged by most of the populace? Tens of million Russian lives forever altered for the worse so some western executive could post a nice quarter.
GhazelleBerner30 赞2021/8/11
Yes everyone, definitely has the real unbiased view here.
TheGreenAndRed81 赞2021/8/11
You're a fool if you think there is anyone with unbiased views. At least the person you're replying to is open about their biases.
OmarGharb37 赞2021/8/11
Yes everyone, the guy from definitely has the real unbiased view here.
cass1o24 赞2021/8/11
What a well though out and eloquent deconstruction of his point, oh wait, the opposite of that.
The_Proles_Elbow20 赞2021/8/11
That's an interesting way to describe factual historical knowledge. "Reality is biased against me" lmao
593 赞2021/8/11
Why Stalin?
1,054 赞2021/8/11
From what I know a lot of old people in Russia seem to think fondly about Stalin. To them the Stalin regime represents the glory days of the Soviet Union.
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I think historical figures who succesfuly led their countries in a defensive war generally always remain popular regardless of everything else they may have done.
697 赞2021/8/11
Reminds me of that one quote from Vladimir Putin. “Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain.”
670 赞2021/8/11
Bringing the Soviet Union back would be very problematic for Vlad and his rich oligarch friends.
267 赞2021/8/11
*Vladimir Lenin enters the chat* aight lets fuck some shit up
62 赞2021/8/12
Theres a story of how bourgeoise russian nationalism choose Stalin as the leader they tried to incorporate into their mythology from the USSR partly because the propaganda against Stalin can be turned on its head and used to promote Russian nationalism and partly becauseLenin is just too fucking radical and its impossible to twist his words into anything but the death of the russian oligarchs. The story also goes that Putin is seriously uncomfortable having Lenins old mausoleum so close to him, hes tried several times to move it where it doesnt remind people of other times but its one of the things he cannot get through.
80 赞2021/8/12
When you're so incredibly based your century old corpse strikes fear into the heart of one of the most powerful men on the planet. Clearly, the most based man in history.
29 赞2021/8/12
The bourgeoisie and oligarchs strongly fear the Former Presidents of the Based Department
80 赞2021/8/11
It's a shame you can't post gifs in here. Because I'm thinking about that one gif from the Simpsons
52 赞2021/8/11
We can all see it in our minds comrade
18 赞2021/8/11
Soviet Reunion dropping when?
97 赞2021/8/11
I swear I lose my mind when Americans keep calling Putin a ''communist''
24 赞2021/8/12
I have actually never in my life, despite how much I argue and talk politics, seen someone say Putin is communist.
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39 赞2021/8/11
I don't think America has ever fully processed the collapse of the USSR. Like... we acknowledge that it has collapsed but every single time we portray Russia in the media, it's in the soviet era, we call Putin a communist and overall, we act like the cold war is still going on albeit at a significantly softer degree.
30 赞2021/8/11
“It was a great scapegoat for all of our problems in the 50s, why can’t it be now?” —CIA probably
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15 赞2021/8/11
Ya I’ve heard trump called a fascist, but a communist? Not at all
112 赞2021/8/11
The soviet union also had a class of people that didn't answer to the same rule as the normal people. The current oligarch all came from this elite. The system is not linked to the ideology of the government but to the very hierarchical and authoritarian nature of the Russian society.
76 赞2021/8/11
That’s something that existed in Russia before the USSR and now exists after the USSR, yet we’ve been told to blame it on ‘communism.’
15 赞2021/8/12
I think it more demonstrates that the USSR failed to live up to its rhetoric and ideals.
19 赞2021/8/11
Vladdy wants the Soviet Union back without the ideology.
20 赞2021/8/11
I mean that’s basically what it is now. It didn’t become democratic it just became capitalist and more people live in poverty.
85 赞2021/8/11
Take a moment to consider the source.
31 赞2021/8/11
Well it's the internet so there is no source or it might be Albert Einstein who the F knows.
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44 赞2021/8/11
Einstein was also a socialist. [He wrote fondly about socialism](https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/)
33 赞2021/8/11
That sounds like made up version of the quote, "If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain".
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33 赞2021/8/11
I binged every single one of this guy's videos during quarantine in 2019. It's a fascinating look into the post-Soviet world of Eastern Europe/Russia. Very crazy how much of a time capsule some of the more obscure places he goes to are. Also, it was surprising to see how much genuine humanity exists in these locations that were seemingly left in the dust by modernization. The people are extremely resilient, and friendly!
18 赞2021/8/12
...and then you find out he used to be a frequent user on sexpat forums and considers himself a "trailblazer" who paves way for other sex tourists into places where "white god complex" (his own words) is still prevalent. Yikes.
51 赞2021/8/11
Like Churchill. Bengal Famine? What Famine? Churchill was a hero dammit!/s
15 赞2021/8/11
“The victors are never questioned”- Joseph Stalin
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19 赞2021/8/11
>Stalin had complete ownership of the state when he was in power. The [CIA report](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp80-00810a006000360009-0) says something quite different, but ok
68 赞2021/8/11
To understand why Stalin is still revered by many in Russia today you just have to think of their famous saying about him: "Stalin found Russia with a wooden plough and left her with a nuclear bomb"
125 赞2021/8/11
Not everyone hates him
21 赞2021/8/11
That’s true - he was able to murder quite a few of his political dissenters. Can’t be a hater when you’re *dead*.
51 赞2021/8/11
Same reason why we have anti-vaxers. People forget how bad things were in the past and reminisce about the "good old times"
149 赞2021/8/11
Alternatively. Some people had it bad some saw improvement. Idk why it seems so unthinkable that someone who's family might've been among those basically equivalent to serfs before the revolution benefited from the rapid industrialisation and happened to not see the oppression or instances where conditions worsened back then but did experience them when under Yeltsin Russia faced a serious decline in GDP and other metrics. Additionally as someone else mentioned a concentration of power, dismantling of economy by oligarchs and crackdown on journalists.
Something people might not have cared as much about under stalin or lenin given that didn't really depart much from what was there before.
70 赞2021/8/11
In the 90s everything turned to shit. The whole union was crumbling, criminals took over all businesses, they were at the head of the state, Yeltsin was a puppet that was controlled by the oligarchs trying to get a bigger slice of that tasty pie. Whoever got to play tennis with that drunken bastard could get rich overnight. Qualified engineers had to beg on the streets, or, as my father did, work as a salesman selling imported chocolate bars and trying to make a living since he didn't receive his salary for over half a year straight. With what happened in the early 90s gulag wasn't all that bad in comparison.
52 赞2021/8/11
>Qualified engineers had to beg on the streets, or, as my father did, work as a salesman selling imported chocolate bars and trying to make a living That's funny cause I remember when i had to walk dogs to make a living, because I couldn't find work in the field I studied for. This was during one of the three capitalism-created recessions in my adult life.
25 赞2021/8/11
*three once in a lifetime recessions
21 赞2021/8/11
This is the exact opposite though. It's generally people who lived through this era that support him.
25 赞2021/8/11
Having food while oppressed onder communism beats starving and unemployed under capitalism
19 赞2021/8/11
Only people fled from the USSR to the West, and not vice versa.
20 赞2021/8/12
This is absolutely not true...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Bloc_defectors
19 赞2021/8/11
Because Stalin's age was highest growing of our power: from agriculture regional weak country to world's superpower.
This is main reason why West so hate his name.
63 赞2021/8/11
Well, we're taught mostly about the Holodomor genocides, the Gulags and political repression, and the unbending iron fortitude required to fight so brutally in World War II. We don't get the context of Russian history sort of... always being genocidal and repressive. The West doesn't learn about Tsarist Siberian exiles, the displacement of native Siberian populations, Russification across the Empire, and so forth. Stalin was a bloody dictator, but so are the vast majority of Russian leaders.
36 赞2021/8/11
I think it’s more because of the tens of millions of people he murdered, more than anything else.
275 赞2021/8/11
Mass privatization led to thousands of people losing their jobs and everyday goods became expensive not to mention the millions of Russians and Ukrainians who found themselves in new countries like in Kazakhstan and georgia
253 赞2021/8/11
In those days there was a real fascist coup, and not just a "constitutional crisis". The oligarchs took power. And West, obviously, supported this fascists.
131 赞2021/8/11
West kept supporting far right parties and politicians in Russia for decades and then started crying “wolf!” when Russia started to do the same in Europe and US. Just like when US was hacking everyone and when it got hacked back suddenly Russia and China are are threat to Internet. The crazy part for me is people in US who claim to be “liberal” but still support that shit when it comes from blue party and not from red.
62 赞2021/8/11
> The crazy part for me is people in US who claim to be “liberal” but still support that shit when it comes from blue party and not from red. Look at China hatred. I've had self described 'liberal' friends tell me that China should be nuked.
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Nuked in the name of freedom and humanity!
18 赞2021/8/12
‘’Fascist’’ I swear a vast amount of people don’t seem to fucking know what fascism means
16 赞2021/8/11
How is Yeltsin of all people a fascist? He was a lib
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As opposed to peaceful and democratic communist regimes that ruled over the Eastern Bloc?
45 赞2021/8/11
I guess that makes killing a million russians during the largest drop in life expectancy during peace time okay then. I suppose youd be okay with the Soviets brutalising Italy in 1948 cause the CIA rigged their election then and funded fascist death squads then?
52 赞2021/8/11
Russia in the 90s was worse in every sense and it never got better. You’ve got to be insanely naive or just simply have no clue what you’re talking about to say something this ignorant.
38 赞2021/8/11
I was speaking about countries of the Eastern Bloc not Russia itself
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Which ones? There’s a MASSIVE difference from country to country and frankly anyone talking about “the eastern bloc” in this context likely has no clue what they’re talking about but maybe you’ll prove me wrong. A large amount of places are definitely worse off under the western imperialist boot versus the Soviet boot.
25 赞2021/8/11
As far as I'm concerned in all the Eastern Bloc countries the communist parties are either banned or (like KSČM in my country for example) the communist parties get trashed every single election. You keep claiming I have no clue what I'm talking about yet you haven't provided a single example of a former eastern bloc country where the majority would like to go back to USSR
21 赞2021/8/11
> it never got better imagine unironically believing this Russia has drastically improved in the past 20 years even under Putinist oligarchy.
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"Tyrannical." Please, save me the tankie mewling.
20 赞2021/8/11
Yeltsin's government was tyrannical. He came to power through a coup where he ordered the military to fire upon their parliament, dissolved the parliament, and then installed himself as president. He had loads of journalists who opposed his reign murdered. His administration invaded Chechnya in the First Chechen War, where 27,000 civilians were killed in the Battle of Grozny.
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Because you can’t flunk out of Reddit.
19 赞2021/8/12
The world is full of communists, and we're coming for your toothbrushes
36 赞2021/8/11
Holding up a picture of Stalin as if he has fond memories. Yep, that head injury definitely isn't faked.
70 赞2021/8/11
I’m assuming he wanted a return to Russia’s glory days and a time where people were close and all had jobs.
25 赞2021/8/11
Didn’t expect to open this up and see such heavy Stalin sympathies. Insanely bad takes.
24 赞2021/8/12
Fucking hell did genzedong and sino raid this thread, there's fucktons of tankies and other sorts of auth lovers in this comment section.
20 赞2021/8/11
It's about that time of month this subreddit got it's unhealthy injection of tankies.
31 赞2021/8/11
> "I don't think that leftists who broadly think that democrats are in a secret capitalist-corporate cabal with republicans are in simply defined slight disagreement with us. All the moderates I have spoken to view leftists as pure arsenic to their beliefs and are feeling homeless more than anything with how much we DO tolerate leftists in our party. They feel caught between two increasingly insane parties. One that is firmly insane, and the other that is struggling to shed their insane section (democrats)." U/crimsonValor on LOOL how very enlightened centrist of you.
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Russians seem to have a collective Stockholm Syndrome concerning Stalin and authoritarian government style in general. Damn shame, because they are otherwise good people
21 赞2021/8/12
Lol you are essentially saying "people who I disagree with are delusional and brainwashed." The Russian people can make their own decisions. You aren't an authority on who's opinion is correct.
53 赞2021/8/11
Not everyone was starving or in a Gulag under Stalin. Compared to WW1 and the Russian Civil War it was probably an improvement for a lot of people. And they were proud that their country became powerful.
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Wait, Christopher Lloyd was Russian?
10 赞2021/8/11
Absolutely loving the Socialist Revolutionary trogs lose their shit and blame "the Capitalist West." I heard Naomi Klein's got a bridge to sell you. 😂😂😂🤷♂️
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Audiences are good at protesting? ​ EVERYTHING
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A Russian wanting back Stalin, not surprised.
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If I'm forced to pick between the lesser of two evils, I'm going with the American government over the Russian and Chinese ones. Sorry not sorry.
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