高中教师约翰·T·斯科普斯(John T. Scopes)在田纳西州代顿受审,罪名是教授当时州法律禁止的进化论。1925年7月10日 [2000x1320]
1925 · 28,414 赞 · 2021-07-06 · 92 条评论
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DistanceSea3513840 赞2021/7/7
if you don't admit there's a christian god we'll crucify you!
如果你不承认有基督教上帝,我们就把你钉死在十字架上!
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I guess nothing has changed.
我猜什么都没变。
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It's essentially the same line of thinking, but the change, or something new, is people crowd sourcing a Dungeon and Dragons type of role playing semi-secular religion in real time using the internet. I have a few friends who are obsessed with Qanon or are Qanon adjacent, and they think they are discussing politics, but they sound like complete religious nuts.
When your 5G Truther hits level 8, you can take the Antimagnetic Body feat.
等你的“5G阴谋论者”练到8级,就能解锁“抗磁躯体”特技了。
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SerLaron17 赞2021/7/7
I maintain that the core of Trump's followers are only a heart attack away from turning into a fully fledged religion, complete with "HE will return when we need him most".
I can’t remember where I read it, but I’m fairly certain I didn’t come up with it
我记不清是在哪儿读到的了,但我敢肯定这绝对不是我原创的。
iButch51 赞2021/7/7
“Only those with the weakest of faith are threatened by those with none”
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“只有信仰最不坚定的人,才会觉得无信仰者是一种威胁。”
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elbanofeliz57 赞2021/7/7
Honorable move, I would've probably just taken credit lol
这波操作挺讲究,要是我的话估计就直接据为己有了,哈哈。
WetChickenLips77 赞2021/7/7
He's a professional quote maker.
他可是位专业引语制作大师。
_aggr0crag_46 赞2021/7/7
He must feel euphoric.
他现在肯定爽翻了吧。
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LloydVanFunken360 赞2021/7/7
Bryan has been misunderstood as a result of the play. He was actually fairly progressive. He opposed entry into the world war and favored giving the vote to women. > Bryan, like many religious conservatives, was not really opposed to the concept of Darwinism and evolution at the time it first came up in the late 19th century. Instead it was the idea of Social Darwinism, the survival of the fittest, that sounded the alarm with Bryan and many others.
Survival of the fittest is constantly misunderstood to mean survival of the toughest. It means survival of the organism best adapted to the environment.
“优胜劣汰”(survival of the fittest)这词儿老被人误解成“谁狠谁能活”。其实它的意思是:最适应环境的物种才能活下来。
whoiscorndogman229 赞2021/7/7
even more precisely the organism (but really the gene) that is best able to replicate itself in the environment, which often results in traits mutually beneficial to many individual organisms, like cooperation.
I'd like to borrow this thread to point out that "The Selfish Gene" is NOT about a gene for selfishness. This error is made too often. The individual gene is the driver of evolution, and each gene must maximize its own replication or perish. All of the complex systems, structures, and behaviors arise from this basic idea. There is no gene for selfishness, but all genes are 'selfish.'
I had the audio book of this. The introduction is Dawkins describing at length what you just said, that it's the Selfish *Gene* (i.e. genes are selfish) and not the *Selfish* Gene (i.e. a gene for selfishness). He goes into quite some detail. This is immediately followed by some other dude announcing the title and blithely calling it The *Selfish* Gene. Nice work.
Yes! Most people that use memes every day don't know that Dawkins came up with the word.
没错!大多数天天玩梗(meme)的人都不知道这词儿其实是道金斯发明的。
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Socalinatl15 赞2021/7/7
I wonder if the connotation of “fit” has changed over time (I do *not* want that to be a pun about “evolving”). If you asked people today what it means to be “fit”, they might answer “healthy” or “strong”. Maybe back in the day they would think more “puzzle piece” which fits the context better (and another damn accidental pun I hate this shit).
Maybe, but the phrase 'survival of the fittest' is nonsensical in evolutionary theory. Darwin did not coin it, he did not like it, and he argued against it and its accompanying ideas. A better, but still not entirely accurate, phrase would be 'survival of everything that can, for as long as they can.'
也许吧,但“适者生存”(survival of the fittest)这个说法在进化论里其实挺扯淡的。达尔文并不是这个词的原创者,他本人也不喜欢它,甚至还反对过这个说法及其背后的那一套理论。一个更准确——虽然还是不够严谨——的说法应该是“凡是能活下来的就一直活下去,直到活不下去为止”。
brallipop42 赞2021/7/7
It's unfortunate that "survival of the fittest" is spread as the main thrust of Darwin's work. A better framing might be "hakuna mutata"
Yet John Scopes was not teaching social darwinism. And Bryan was not calling for states to ban the teaching of social darwinism, he wanted to ban the teaching of evolution.
Great stuff. Got to do the play as a teen. My father played Brady.
太赞了。我青少年时期演过这个剧。我爸演的是布雷迪(Brady)。
dancindead15 赞2021/7/7
Thank you. Enjoyed.
谢谢,很享受。
Relentless_iLL49 赞2021/7/7
I have a co-worker who takes the bible literally....and think humans back in the old testament literally lived to be 300-900 yrs old. Anyway, I told him the universe is 13 billion years old according to scientists calculations. And the the earth is roughly 3 billion yrs old...He said that the earth is only 6 thousand years old because the bible says so or whatever, then I said that carbon dating has proved it to be more than that...He scoffed and said that carbon dating is very flawed and not accurate...So I asked him that what in the bible makes IT so fucking accurate, his reply was, the bible doesnt lie...then I went into how ppl who spent their entire careers in science were all just lying and against the bible...his reply was, I trust the bible...from then on I was like, "ok you brainwashed imbecile, Ill literally never want to talk to you again"
My religious coworker explains that away by saying that God put those beams of light there already on their path to simulate the universe being older than it really is. Why? I asked “I dont know, you’ll have to ask God that” … Its hopeless for some people
When I hear that "explanation" or the idea that God put the dinosaur fossils in the ground to test people's faith, I like to respond with: Oh, so Yahweh is a trickster god? That always throws them for a loop.
The best question to ask there is: where did the wives of Cain and Able come from? If Adam and Eve were the first two humans specifically created by God and they had two sons… well… and where did all the people come from which Cain encountered after being punished with the mark? I know the true believers will give tortuous answers and exegetical nonsense but it’s still fun to let them sweat on these (and other) things in the Bible.
My Bible freak coworker has an answer to that, he said that they didn't record the near by tribes, to which I said to him, "wait, don't you take the Bible literally "?? He went on some random shit about God not wanting that in the Bible..
So I guess God was playing the Sims or some shit when he made us?? Ugh I apologize, my stupid auto correct keep capitalizing the words Bible and God....I would never
Good to see there has been 0 progress in 100 years. This same argument is still being had.
真棒,一百年过去了,一点儿进步都没有。大家还在争论这个老掉牙的问题。
ApocalypseBingo202117 赞2021/7/7
Yep my first thought at the post title was “This is America” My neighbors are anti evolution religious nuts that love Trump (who is obviously a man of the cloth/s) and think Jesus rode dinosaurs. I’m so tired of these people voting in religious extremist idiots that think Jesus is coming back any day and legislate like the future doesn’t matter. Luckily I live in California so their vote doesn’t matter as much but these people run most the country in between the coasts and really try to hold back progress like stem cell research and by cutting education.
Spencer Tracy’s performance is just phenomenal in that film.
斯宾塞·屈塞在那部电影里的表现简直绝了。
likemyposts16 赞2021/7/7
I teach Scopes through Inherit the Wind. Stanley Kramer and Spencer Tracy are fucking legends.
我教《神学争论》(Scopes)的时候会用《黄金时代》(Inherit the Wind)做教材。斯坦利·克雷默和斯宾塞·屈塞简直就是特么的传奇。
friedsalmonellosis341 赞2021/7/7
of course, he taught evolution. i mean look at that bow tie. really reminds me of that one science dude.
他当然教进化论啊。拜托,看看那领结。真的让我想起那个科学界的老兄。
eyeamjosh128 赞2021/7/7
Bill Nye the bow tie guy
就是那个领结男比尔·奈(Bill Nye)。
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Tucker Carlson?
塔克·卡尔森(Tucker Carlson)吗?
Inner_Explanation_9728 赞2021/7/7
No no no I think he’s thinking of Pee-wee Herman
不不不,我觉得他想的是皮威·赫尔曼(Pee-wee Herman)。
The_0range_Menace24 赞2021/7/7
I can't even joke about Fucker Carlson.
关于卡尔森那个混蛋,我连开玩笑的心情都没有。
InYosefWeTrust259 赞2021/7/7
Nearly 100 years later and we still have people that would side against the teacher... what a shame.
都过去快一百年了,竟然还有人站在老师的对立面……真是丢人。
iamagainstit126 赞2021/7/7
I mean, Tennessee just passed a law a making it illegal to teach anything that might make a student "feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or another form of psychological distress" because of their race or sex
That doesn't sound very good at all History is absolutely ***JAM PACKED*** full of that shit and people should be very aware of that
这听起来一点儿都不妙。
历史书里简直是**塞满了**这种破事儿,人们理应对此有清醒的认知。
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It is designed to ban the teaching of critical race theory. Because conservatives can't accept reality.
这法案就是为了禁掉“批判性种族理论”的教学。因为那些保守派根本接受不了现实。
TreadPillow16 赞2021/7/7
What’s critical race theory?
批判性种族理论(CRT)到底是啥玩意儿?
iamagainstit19 赞2021/7/7
CRT is a influential but not widely accepted legal theory which argues that since laws which are not obviously racist on their face often end up resulting it racist outcomes due to structural racism, Legal decisions should be made in a way that results in racially equitable outcomes rather than through strictly textual interpretations. However the term has also been coopted by conservatives as a scare phrase that encompasses all teachings of structural racism, inherent bias, and any implication that racism was involved in the founding of America.
"Better use some systemic racism to prevent teaching about systemic racism."
“得用点系统性种族主义来防止人们教系统性种族主义。”
Isord19 赞2021/7/7
I dunno about anybody else but learning writing and basic arithmetic got me feeling kind of funky about being white.
我不知道别人怎么想,但学了写作和基础算术之后,我对自己身为白人这事儿感觉有点怪怪的。
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No, this was a legitimate criminal trial. The ACLU and Scopes coordinated with him on when he was going to break the law. It was similar to a "sit in at a lunch counter" or "front seat of the bus" protest.
The only thing that struck me as “staged” was I recall reading he was a substitute teacher and wasn’t totally sure he’d ever taught evolution when first approached. He figured he had when it was pointed out evolution was in the textbook the school used.
Yes. The pro-evolution group wanted to litigate the issue in court, but they needed standing to get in the doors: a plaintiff with ascertainable actual injury. Enter Mr. Scopes for the role!
2 competing responses even though we're on the internet and the answer is easily verifiable. Let's see who wins.
明明身处互联网时代,答案随手一查就能找到,结果竟然出现了两种截然不同的回应。咱们来看看最后谁赢。
iperus035184 赞2021/7/7
Yes, he received a 100$ fine. He wasn’t really on trial. Evolution vs Creation was, it got pretty scary/funny. Creation won ish which I find more frightening. Sort of the antivaccers before vaccination was a big scare. God would be mad if he made a monkey then we came along later. I guessing being the latest update to primates make people feel less special.
[here](https://youtu.be/vtNdYsoool8) is the scene from the movie made based on it. “I do not think about the things I do not think about”. “Do you think about the things you do think about?”
I also grew up in Tennessee in Tennessee schools and this absolutely was not the case for my school. They definitely did teach evolution from middle school all the way through to high school.
The thing is science doesn’t disprove god or gods or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It just explains how they did it. Nerds are some of the most superstitious people I know. I seriously considered sacrificing a squirrel to tzeentch to make my radio work. That machine spirit was not having it that day.
How long until we have our first "Critical Race Theory" trial?
还要多久我们才会迎来首场关于“批判性种族理论”(CRT)的审判?
dennismfrancisart51 赞2021/7/7
Came here to say that but checked the comments first. Especially because the whole CRT reminds me so much of "Black Studies" back in the 70s. Some folks were butthurt because there were going to be classes on African American history.
CRT was established as a movement in the 70’s as well. Funny how it’s been around for half a century, but is only now threatening the very fabric of society. I’m only surprised it took so long for it to be turned into a pillar of the angertainment industry. Those marketing wizards really missed a goldmine. Better late than never, I suppose.
It's being made an issue now because conservative programming feeds on rallying around topics of hate or outrage. CRT is being twisted by conservatives to mean 'everything we don't like to hear about black rights, initiatives, and history.'
Judging by the responses to this comment, I'm gonna go with 'soon'
看大家对这条评论的反应,我猜答案得是“很快了”。
Wild_Enkidu92 赞2021/7/7
It's interesting to see how the Scopes Trial has come to be understood all these years later. At the time, a strong contingent on the anti Scopes/evolution were social progressives who (imo justifiably) believed that Darwinian evolution would be twisted and bastardized to support white supremacy and eugenics. It's worth noting that the Trial was just 6 years after one of the most horrific summers of pogroms against Black people (Red Summer of 1919) and that eugenicist views and practices were in full swing. Northern Black clergy were terrified that the schools (which were usually deeply white supremacist) would give justification for Black sterilization - or worse. Likewise, even poor whites from backwards places in the South or Midwest understood that evolution could be used to justify sterilizing them or their loved ones. Their fears weren't exactly groundless. For instance, California at the time developed a plan to sterilize the "bottom" 10% of the state population. None of this is to say teaching evolution is wrong, but that those supporting Scopes weren't quite as forward looking as we'd initially think, and conversely, those opposing him weren't as backwards.
This is a really important to note! In a weird way, the anti-evolution side were the good guys in this case because Darwinian evolution was being used to support a number of morally disgusting, Hitlery things, which was in large part what the anti-evolutions were objecting to.
This bothers me so much! I had a college psychology teacher teach creationism instead of evolution last year. First day I thought we might be getting close to a situation like that based on how he was talking about our lesson plans, so I literally asked “do we need to worry about you censoring lessons? Or will you teach from the book?” Happened not far from where this picture was taken. Fuck that educator in particular
Not even 100 years ago and these fucking idiots are probably still teaching this shit
离现在都不到一百年,这帮蠢货恐怕还在教这些垃圾玩意儿。
honeyintherock20 赞2021/7/7
As a kid I was thoroughly fascinated by the Scopes trial. I have some family from there, and used to spend Saturdays in Dayton with the courthouse in view. I have a desk from the room Scopes stayed in at my great-aunt's boarding house. Rhea County (where Dayton is) tried to ban gay people from living there about a decade ago, and there's also Bryan College - verrrry conservative Christian college, often making news for discriminating, as one might suspect. I don't spend time at all in Dayton anymore 🙄
I live in Tennessee, when evolution was taught in school about half the class threatened the teacher, argued with everything because of perceived contradictions with the religion, and refused to learn or participate in any of it. This ignorance still exists here sadly, there is a brand of “Christian” in most of the south that is vehemently opposed to anything that wasn’t taught(indoctrinated) to them at what they call churches but are really gathering spots for hypocrites who have perverted their own religion so they never have to think or change or question their own actions.
Get ready. If GQP has their way, that law will be reinstated. Dogma over reality again.
做好心理准备吧。如果让共和党激进派(GQP)得逞,那条法律肯定会死灰复燃。又是教条凌驾于现实之上。
tightpantieshardcock10 赞2021/7/7
Y'all dumb then and y'all dumb now. (Not all but you know who and what I mean.)
你们过去蠢,现在也还是蠢。
(不是指所有人,但你们懂我指的谁和什么事。)
The_Celtic_Chemist7 赞2021/7/7
Not even 100 years ago. That's crazy. Somehow the older I get, the closer the time before me feels.
居然连一百年都不到。太离谱了。不知怎么的,我年纪越大,就越觉得以前的那些日子离我很近。
d4nbkey7 赞2021/7/7
Backward hicks! Nearly 100 years later and the same issues stain American politics.
一群落后的乡巴佬!快一百年过去了,同样的问题还是在玷污着美国的政治。
dagrave7 赞2021/7/7
Cancel culture-it has been here the whole time.
取消文化——这玩意儿一直都存在。
acetylenekicker6 赞2021/7/7
As someone who lives within 30 min from Dayton, I can’t recommend monkey town brewing company enough. From the beercheese to the craft beer, it’s simply an amazing experience
作为住在离代顿(Dayton)不到 30 分钟路程的人,我强烈安利 Monkey Town Brewing Company。从啤酒芝士到精酿啤酒,简直是绝绝子的体验。
Stoudamirefor36 赞2021/7/7
Religion is the root of all evils. Education is the remedy.
宗教是万恶之源,而教育才是解药。
KGBebop5 赞2021/7/7
Good thing those cops have restraints on him. He might start teaching at any moment.
幸好那帮警察把他拷住了。搞不好他随时会开始给人上课呢。
bkutz4205 赞2021/7/7
The complete ignorance of some people is astounding!
有些人简直无知得让人震惊!
DJCaldow5 赞2021/7/7
The law once again proving its lack of basis in morality.
法律又一次证明了它根本没把道德当回事。
AuldHagsWiBawbags4 赞2021/7/8
You hear that whooshing sound? It's the noise made by other countries whizzing past america in education and all other subsequently related fields. "Greatest country on earth" 🙄