Same for Singapore during that time. Hence why Led Zeppelin skipped Singapore in their asian tour, much to the dismay of the local Mat Rocks.
那时候的新加坡也是一样。所以 Led Zeppelin 的亚洲巡演才没来新加坡,当时可把本地的“Mat Rock”们给郁闷坏了。
CheRidicolo533 赞2021/7/5
>the local Mat Rocks Sorry, what does this mean?
>本地的“Mat Rock”
不好意思,这是什么意思?
anakajaib799 赞2021/7/5
It's a local term for Rock music enthusiasts during that time period. Apologies for not explaining in my original reply. Mat means something like guy or lad in Malay which was the lingua franca in Singapore during the 70s.
Yeah thanks cause I was thinking there was a local guy named Mat Rocks who was born for rock and roll and lives only to rock. Your thing makes more sense.
对,多谢了,因为我之前还在想是不是有个叫 Mat Rocks 的本地哥们儿,天生就是玩摇滚的料,活着就是为了摇滚。你说的这套说法确实合理多了。
Chrisbee012108 赞2021/7/6
a Malaysian Jack Black so to speak
可以说是马来西亚版的杰克·布莱克(Jack Black)吧。
Spanky_McJiggles36 赞2021/7/6
A Filipino Dave Grohl, if you will
如果你愿意的话,也可以叫他菲律宾版的戴夫·格罗尔(Dave Grohl)。
anakajaib48 赞2021/7/5
In the 70s, Malay was the lingua franca since Singapore just split from Malaysia in 1965. After that, gradual phasing to English as the main language, though Malay is still the national language till now. Military commands and the national anthem is in Malay because of that.
zephyr flag deliver tart safe squealing mysterious zealous afterthought yam
微风 旗帜 递送 酸的 安全 尖叫 神秘的 热心的 事后想法 山药
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Singapore Singapore has always spoken a multitude of languages and had multiple "official" languages. It's not like a city in the middle of Asia would only have inhabitants that spoke only English.
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Singspore is a dictatorship where human rights are negligible. You’d think a band as “self aware” as Led Zeppelin might have taken this into consideration before agreeing to play there. But apparently that was all fine and good until the regime forced people to cut their hair. That was a bridge too far for the band.
You keep bad talking singapore like that and you might wake up one morning getting a spanking with bamboo paddles
你再敢像这样说新加坡的坏话,小心哪天早上醒来屁股就要挨藤条了。
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Dont threaten me with a good time
别用这种好事儿来威胁我。
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...Huh? Why are you calling Led Zeppelin "self aware" in quotes? They were wild rockers fucked up on drugs and sleeping with every woman they could find while destroying hotel rooms. Not exactly Bob Dylan.
Yeah they weren’t really know for activism. Just their wild antics and rock and roll lifestyles
对,他们本来就不是靠搞什么社会运动出名的。纯粹是靠那些狂野的搞怪行径和摇滚生活方式。
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Boys weren't allowed to have long hair in my school. The discipline teacher would bring a ruler to check every boys hair to make sure it's below the allowed length. If it's too long, the teacher would cut their hair in front of the whole class.
And that's the way to make a young me want to have long hair.
嘿,这不就是最能让我这种小屁孩想留长发的招儿嘛。
QueerKingSmith417 赞2021/7/5
I remember there was a kid named August in my middle school science class who was growing his hair to donate. It was the reddest hair I've ever seen, and he grew it to his butt by the end of the year. So many people made fun of him including our science teacher, but I remember so many things about his hair because he made it a point to talk about it to get on everyone's nerves lol. He would tell us how he had to put it in a ponytail whenever he was cleaning at home or how he liked to match his hair ties with his shirts or how he sheds as much as his dogs etc lol. Kid gave zero fucks
I read this and did a double take because my name is August and I sure as fuck have long red hair. This sounds like me but my hair never got to my ass. I did get called Ginger Jesus all through high school tho.
August the human is a favourite of mine. Tell him 'Hi!' from me next time you play together.
奥古斯特(那个人类)是我的心头好。下次你们一起玩的时候,替我跟他说声“嗨”!
PoshPopcorn124 赞2021/7/5
I remember hearing it was an issue with Norman nobles in the 11th century, so it's been going on for a while.
我记得11世纪诺曼贵族就有这个问题了,所以这事儿由来已久。
HighlyUnlikely7124 赞2021/7/5
Even longer than that Roman Senators often complained about the Novus homo, new men that came up during the second punic war, with their long hair and flaunting of tradition
Even longer than that actually - during the homo habilis period of evolution, when your forearm hair approached 2 inches in length, the dominant tribal male would make you rub your arms up against some tree bark.
If I remember correctly a certain turn-of-the-millenium carpenter that everyone keeps going on about had long hair, too.
如果我没记错的话,那个大家都老挂在嘴边的、千禧年左右的木匠,也是留长发的。
UN1678349821328 赞2021/7/5
Damn Millenials, killing the count-down calendar industry.
靠,千禧一代又把倒计时日历行业给搞垮了。
CurtisLinithicum20 赞2021/7/5
Eh, kinda? I think you'll find the "Long-Haired Jesus" was more a PR move to show he was a commoner just like the faithful (and/or modeled after Cesare Borgia, if there is truth to that, and I imagine he looked like that for the same reaosns). Long hair suggests not having the time or resources to make use of a barber, but still having the self-respect to keep it combed. From what I can tell, there is zero Biblical basis for his appearance, and historical records of Jewish fashion would not support the "Hippie Jesus" hair.
I imagine a lot of people who feel that way would changed their minds quickly once they got beaten and tortured by military police over it.
我想很多持这种观点的人,一旦因为这个被宪兵毒打折磨一顿,很快就会改变主意的。
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Nah. Redditors are brave and courageous. That person would definitely stand up to military beating and torture.
算了吧。Reddit上的老哥们可是勇敢无畏的。那个人绝对能挺住军队的毒打和酷刑。
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Or we don't all live in savage countries and rebellion is seen as a healthy part of growing up?
或者说,我们并没有全都生活在那种野蛮的国家,而反叛在很多人眼里只是成长过程中很正常的一部分?
AGVann90 赞2021/7/5
I don't think you want to be opening that can of worms. This brutal military dictatorship that ruled South Korea for decades was installed by the American government, and the 1973 Minor Offenses Act that tried to enforce strict social control was done so under the approval of the US. The US tolerated 'rebellion' among the youth much more in it's own country than it allowed in it's client states and sphere of influence.
I am surprised to hear that because my dad's long, almost afro-like curly hair was forcibly cut like this many times, but this was in former Soviet Satellite country and the reasoning was that they did not want the youth be influenced by Americans and rock'n roll music, fashions of the 70- 80's etc.
That tends to radicalize people and polarize the people around them. Torture may break one but it inspires ten who hear the story. Suffering for a cause serves a similar role to martyrdom. There are a few books on lessons learned by the US military from Korea to Afghanistan. Tyranny breeds resistance.
Hair thing were there in my middle school and high school too. They (‘discipline administives’) definitely used a ruler on us. Boys cannot exceed 3 cm. Girls can extend < 3 cm from the top of the collar. High school did not go up to this stupid level on hair. Just “don’t dye your hair”. But other rules were like: cannot wear shoes with other than white or black colors. Cannot wear socks with a mark larger then a coin size. (Teachers hold a coin in front of the door and check the size. We usually tell them it was our legs too thick so the mark became bigger). Looking back, these rules were so stupid. It’s just a form of control and manipulation, easily for admin to ‘rule’ us. (Source: 2000-2005 in Taiwan)
Damn. A caning was the standard of punishment at my school, and pretty much every school in Malaysia (that I know of). Pretty sure they have since stopped it
真绝了。鞭刑在我们学校是标准惩罚,据我所知马来西亚几乎每所学校都这样。我挺确定他们现在已经废止了。
abhijeet6738 赞2021/7/5
I graduated from my school 2 years ago where they had the same kind of punishments.
我两年前才从那所学校毕业,当时还有这些同款惩罚。
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I may be the last generation of korean kids being punched/kicked/slapped by teachers in school, at least commonly/openly.
Same. I went to school in the middle of Seoul until '98 before moving to the US. In my old school (elementary), a teacher caned this one kid and it landed wrong or something and fractured his femur. The parents complained about it and even the police got involved. Noone gave a shit and basically told the parents that his kid was at fault.
Malaysia. I don't think it's a common practice nowadays. But it was pretty normal in the 2000s and back.
马来西亚。我觉得现在应该没那么普遍了。但在2000年及以前,这简直太正常了。
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Ahh I see. Tbh i'm not surprised haha
啊,我懂了。说实话,我一点儿都不觉得奇怪,哈哈。
ALoudMouthBaby49 赞2021/7/5
We had the same thing growing up in Texas in the 90s. Although they would suspend you and not allow you back until you had a haircut instead of cut your hair right then and there.
I remember in primary school they would make a whole show out of it. They would gather all the kids with long hair and make them line up in the field. One by one the students would take turns sitting in the chair while the teacher uses a scissor to trim your hair unevenly so you were basically forced to get it cut. Damn, i make it sound like i went to school in a prison or something lol. But that's how it was.
You know how students go back to school after they've graduated sometimes to tell certain teachers how much of a positive impact on them? You should go back to school to point out to those teachers what worthless pieces of shit they are.
I'm trying to wrap my head around "the discipline teacher", what the heck.
我正努力搞明白“纪律老师”是什么鬼,这到底什么操作。
Lucyffer8820 赞2021/7/5
Wait. Other schools don't have a disciplinary teacher?
等等。别的学校没有纪律老师吗?
purplewigg28 赞2021/7/5
Gonna join in and say it's new to me as well (Australia). How does it work? Is it one teacher that does the rounds and randomly checks in on classes throughout the day? Do they sit in the back corner with a notebook observing students? Or do they get called to classrooms by teachers when needed?
The discipline teacher is basically in charge of discipline in the school. They uphold the school rules and stuff. Each class would have 2 class prefects that would enforce the rules in the classroom. They would report to the discipline teacher any rule breakers in the class. Smaller cases(long hair, phones in class, littering,etc) would be handled solely by the discipline teacher. Stuff like fights, drugs, etc, both the principal and discipline teacher would look into it. Edit: forgot to mention. We would also have spot checks to make sure students are neat and tidy, and didn't bring anything illegal to school. The discipline teacher would be the one to handle that.
Class prefects are students right? I can't imagine being a student and basically having the official title of "snitch."
纪律委员是学生对吧?
我简直无法想象,作为一个学生,居然还要顶着“告密者”这种名头过日子。
Bosmonster21 赞2021/7/5
Disciplinary teacher sounds like somebody with a torture fetish to be honest.
说实话,那种管纪律的老师听起来就像是有某种虐待癖好似的。
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In my highschool we had "skirt checks" where a teacher would come in the classroom and measure girls skirts to make sure it wasn't too far above the knee. She would do this in front of everyone and if you refused you were sent home for the day and given a suspension. Gotta love the Bible Belt.
Same. They also checked the guys pants. They didn't want boys to wear skinny jeans. If you couldn't fit a soda can in there with your legs, they would make you go home and change.
To expand on this, South Korea was a U.S.-backed dictatorship almost continuously until the late 80s/early 90s: > [The First Republic of Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Republic_of_Korea) had existed since 1948 under President Syngman Rhee, who was widely considered to be **corrupt and a dictator who abused his presidential powers to maintain his rule and cronyism**... > The Second Republic [1960-61] was founded during the April Revolution mass protests against President Syngman Rhee, succeeding the First Republic and establishing a parliamentary government... The Second Republic was replaced by a provisional **military government** under the Supreme Council for National Reconstruction... > [The Supreme Council for National Reconstruction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Council_for_National_Reconstruction) was the **ruling military junta** of South Korea from May 1961 to December 1963... > [The Third Republic of South Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Republic_of_Korea) was the government of South Korea from December 1963 to November 1972... The Third Republic was presented as a return to civilian government under the National Assembly, **but in practice was a dictatorship** under Park, Supreme Council members, and the Democratic Republican Party... > [The Fourth Republic of Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Republic_of_Korea) was the government of South Korea from November 1972 to March 1981... The Fourth Republic was founded on the approval of the Yushin Constitution in the 1972 constitutional referendum, **codifying the de facto dictatorial powers** held by President Park Chung-hee, and succeeding the Third Republic. **Park and his Democratic Republican Party ruled under the centralized and authoritarian Yushin System** until the assassination of Park on 26 October 1979. The Fourth Republic entered a period of political instability under Park's successor, Choi Kyu-hah, and the **escalating martial law declared after Park's death**... >[The Fifth Republic of South Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Republic_of_Korea) was the government of South Korea from March 1981 to December 1987. The Fifth Republic was established in March 1981 by Chun Doo-hwan, **a military colleague of long-time president and dictator Park Chung-hee**, after the political instability and military rule in the Fourth Republic since the assassination of Park in October 1979. **The Fifth Republic was ruled by Chun and the Democratic Justice Party as a de facto dictatorship**... > [The Sixth Republic was established in 1987 and remains the current polity of South Korea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Korea#Sixth_Republic_1987%E2%80%93present)... Roh Tae-woo became president for the 13th presidential term in the first direct presidential election in 16 years... Roh was from a military background... > Kim Young-sam was elected president in the 1992 elections after Roh's tenure. **He was the country's first civilian president in 30 years** since 1962... In February 1998, Kim Dae-jung was officially inaugurated. South Korea had maintained its commitment to democratize its political processes and **this was the first transfer of the government between parties by peaceful means.**
The Samsung case is wild. The family was literally hiding the chairman who was supposedly still alive but in a coma - presumably to give the family time to circumvent Koreas strict inheritance laws. He only recently supposedly died so it will be interesting to see if the family found a loophole or the right corrupt people
*Chaebol* is the Korean equivalent of the infamous *Zaibatsu* (nowadays *Keiretsu*) of Japan. Basically a super megacorporation which dominates various sectors, e.g. Samsung doesn't just make phones, they also make military equipment for the Korean army. Examples of Japanese ones are Mitsubishi, Mitsui, etc.
One of many reasons I’m sure. Sadly, SK is also a chauvinist & misogynist society that shits on kids born out of wedlock, and their mothers. They’re considered shameful and on the one hand, perhaps adoption was better for them, but life in the west as a Korean adoptee has its own messed up challenges. They might think and act American, but no one will ever see past their Asian features. Ever. They’re never fully accepted in their home country or their adopted one. Also—right before the ‘88 Olympics, the government went around rounding up kids, and sent them to detention centers, where they were beat, raped, and killed. Sometimes for doing nothing other than standing at a bus stop, being mistaken for a street kid. As a Korean, I’m glad they (Korea, Inc., or Republic of Samsung) are now in the ranks of modern , prosperous societies. But like many other countries in the past 50 years, there are so many troubling chapters in their recent history that I’m sure the older generation would like to forget. It’s bad. Really bad. Not all of it has gone away, either.
Surprised south Korea has had more republics than france
没想到韩国的“共和国”数量居然比法国还多。
indyK1ng88 赞2021/7/5
For anyone unaware - Park Chung-hee was made dictator with the creation of the Third Republic of South Korea and had the constitution rewritten, creating the Fourth Republic. He was also the father of the last President of Korea, Park Geun-hye, who was impeached for corruption but also made headlines for her involvement with a cult. South Korea is currently on its sixth republic.
Another authoritarian control freak trying to enforce what others should be and what they should look like.
又一个独裁控制狂,总想强迫别人该长什么样、该怎么活。
JohnProof189 赞2021/7/5
I really wonder about this mind set. Imagine thinking that long hair was a genuine problem that required physical government intervention. Could these folks be arbitrarily convinced to enforce *anything* no matter how absurd? I know the answer, because this ultimately ends in horrific atrocities committed against the "others," but it's just wild to me that our brains can be so easily hijacked by blatant nonsense.
I don't think its hijacked, it's invited in. People want to control, blame, ostracize, take power. They can easily excuse the how and why if it gets them their. I think most people experienced some rediculous level of power tripping from a teacher in school. The teacher wasn't convinced by the school board it was important to enforce. They love the power and were probably thrilled when they found a new way to control random people's lives.
So, expect horrific atrocities committed in the USA because you have plenty of those things in your schools. I'm remembering a black athlete who had his dreadlocks cutoff in order to compete and other nonsensical dress codes.
It's weird to think how recently South Korea was a dictatorship
想到韩国直到最近才摆脱独裁统治,真挺不可思议的。
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there's a lot of events that are much closer than you'd imagine- taiwan's white terror ended in friggin '87, for instance.
很多历史事件其实比你想象的要近得多——比如台湾的“白色恐怖”直到87年才他妈的结束。
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The Spanish Inquisition didn't formally end until after the American Civil War
西班牙宗教裁判所直到美国南北战争结束后才正式宣告终结。
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CheRidicolo30 赞2021/7/5
I really enjoyed the story.
我真的很喜欢这个故事。
Mystery-G24 赞2021/7/5
Beards in China are still not a thing in 2021。Source: live here
到了2021年,留胡子在中国依然还没成为主流。来源:我就住在这儿。
delciotto20 赞2021/7/5
Isn't that mostly because so few can actually grow a proper beard? I live in Canada, but the place I work is mostly staffed by chinese and I've probally worked with over a thousand Chinese dudes and i could count on 1 hand the number who could grow a decent beard.
I’m Korean so I’m pretty much Southeast peninsula Chinese. I can confirm that even the Koreans have a really hard time growing a full beard. If we want a nice Fu Manchu by the time we are 40, then we need to start when we are 13. I’m 35 and my father is Irish and can grow a majestic beard. I however, can grow a Goatee or Fu Manchu. I get patches on my cheeks and if I grow them out, I look like a homeless catfish. At this point, I wish I could either grow a full beard or nothing at all. I’m half Korean so i thought I’d have a better chance than full bloods do, but no go. What really sucks is that the very little that does grow, has a slight mix of red and light brown hair as well. This makes everything look even more thin and drives me nuts since all my other hair is dark brown/black.
During Pinochet’s dictatorship in Chile it n the 70s military patrols would stop cars and violently take out the boys and cut their hair and cut the legs of girls pants
They also loved to rape suspected female communists as well
他们还特别喜欢强奸那些被怀疑是女共产党员的人。
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And they’re all suspected communists.
而且他们看谁都像是怀疑对象。
NoWingedHussarsToday100 赞2021/7/5
The funny\* thing is that from today's perspective the hair wasn't even long, we are not talking about metal hair down to shoulder blades or even shoulders, it was just past the ears. And it was quite universal crackdown in both communist and right wing dictatorships while in democratic societies there was a lot of pearl clutching. ​ \*OK, not "haha funny"
Pearl clutching and an effort to relate drugs and the new left movement with the counter culture to crack down on them.
装模作样地在那儿大惊小怪,还非要把毒品和新左翼运动跟反主流文化强行挂钩,好借此搞打压。
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It’s those damn mop top Beatles and their heavy rock music!
全都怪那帮顶着蘑菇头的披头士还有他们那吵死人的摇滚乐!
Lewbomb58 赞2021/7/5
People always say North Korea was this evil, brutal totalitarian regime (which is was and still is) and say The South was some kind of bastion of democracy and freedom on the Korean Peninsula….it wasn’t at all, president Park was a literal authoritarian military dictator. Rhee wasn’t much better tbh.
Rhee might have been worse, his policies killed thousands of people for the "crime" of being suspected communists. As many as 200,000 people might have been killed in the Bodo league Massacre.
I think people mostly know the post June Democarcy Movement Korea. The one before it isn't really advertised. Tbh I didn't really know their history post korean war until a few years ago. And I was surprised they had to deal with military dictators cos of communism...
Exactly the same dude, I was taught all my life that South Korea was the “good guy” and a “victim” but damn the South was pretty messed up too…
哥们儿完全一样,我从小受的教育一直说韩国是“好人”和“受害者”,但妈的,南边其实也烂透了……
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I mean it is now.* But you're right about it historically. I think because of the dire state of North Korea now and South Korea's continued explosive development since the 1980s, people assume it was always like that. But the South Koreans have literally fought tooth and nail for what they have now and for a good couple of decades after the war, life was a actually *better* in the North. For the first thirty years of it's existence, South Korea was an opressive right wing military dictatorship propped up by the USA. It's only been since the late 80s/early 90s that it's developed into the South Korea we all no. And the South is still incredibly conservative in many ways. To the extent that it makes Japan look like Vancouver in comparison. *Even though it still suffers from the same issues of corruption and politicking that all liberal democracies do.
I think a lot of people are ignorant to the geopolitical issues in Asia as a whole, a lot of people are taught very simply South Korea good, North Korea bad. As you said, the South was propped up by the US so a lot of things were propagandised for the sake of “freedom”
Misread that as " A South Korean soldier forcibly cuts a young man's throat in front of others during a nationwide crackdown on men with long hair" and though that is a crazy over reaction.
2021 in Japan boys are still not allowed to have long hair at many schools and if you have curly hair or a different color than black, you need a signed evidence from your parents.
same in Vietnam. and you know what the excuse is? "but it makes you look like a girl!" like since when has hair length ever been exclusive to girls? hell, most our ancestors had a god gamn hair braid or hair bun for god's sake and they looked badass as hell and they were fucking warriors i don't understand the old people in my at all. do they even know their own history?
Dude this is 1970, imagine the police forcibly shaving your beard in Tajikistan starting from 2015, they somehow linked beards with Islamic terrorism and set a legal age for growing a beard, I think it's 70+ There are literally people on the run for this, a football (soccer, for the Americans...) player Parviz Tursunov, is seeking asylums all around the world for this, this is so freaking ridiculous
Waste of time, they'll grow back, and then you had to waste manpower to cut them again. Discipline can be useful but this is how you make people dislike it more, and you don't even achieve anything. Moronic.
Say what you will about North Korea, but South Korea was every bit as bad until the dictator Park was whacked in 79. They had famine, no Heath care, people were throwing kids they couldn’t feed into dumpsters. Anecdote: “*We were on shore leave in Seoul. The police showed up in the market square with M-16’s. They wouldn’t let anyone leave. Then a Jeep rolled in with more MP’s and some guy in the back. He was tied up with a stick between his elbows and behind his back. They shoved him onto the pavement. The MP’s shouted a bunch of stuff through a megaphone and then pulled out a .45 and shot him in the head. Found out once the cops rolled off it was some guy that had raped and murdered a local old lady that had run a food stand there..”*
Hold still while I make your appearance conform to my ideology. I shall dominate you so that the world will look more the way I want it to look. Next, I will tackle women in short skirts and sew additional material onto the skirts to make them longer. I cannot be stopped!
In India, even today, as a student, you can't have long hair... I always had long hair because of a scalp condition. I have been subjected to humiliation by teachers, a lot. Fast forward, today I'm a teacher myself and let kids have their fun.
It’s amazing how far that country has come in a not very long time.
那个国家在这么短的时间内能有如此巨大的进步,真是太惊人了。
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this almost happened to a young jackie chan when he was living in korea. tried to convince the police man that he was chinese but his korean was too good. luckily someone got his passport to prove ( if i remember the interview correctly)