as did like 90% of talented germans during that time
当时90%有才华的德国人都是这么干的。
bozeke67 赞2021/6/1
Interviewer: “Why is there not so much comedy in Germany?” Robin Williams: “Did you ever think it’s because you killed all of the funny people?” https://youtu.be/VF2P_LuEF80
It's hard to overstate just how massive and long-lasting the brain drain was. Germany lost countless artists and scientists - and the profound effect this exodus had can be felt to this day.
German scientists helped with many many military/science projects including nukes
德国科学家在许多许多军事/科研项目中提供了帮助,包括核武器。
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I love critical theory and the philosophers of the Frankfurt School, Columbia University offered them their philosophy department and they all joined columbia before the holocaust took full swing
"But the *real* enemy to our Reich... The *only* enemy to threaten the existence of our Aryan empire... Ladies and gentlemen... Is the perpetual passing of time, and the slow, inevitable swing of the Reaper's scythe!" *Gasps*
This is false. Ignoring the Ruger part because that's probably just autocorrect, the Germans did not use Cordite, that was British only, as they developed it for use as smokeless powder, which they then eventually used instead of Cordite.
Well since we don't know Hitler said in his last moments you can't prove he didn't say this!
反正我们也不知道希特勒临终前到底说了啥,所以你也没法证明他没说过这话!
ShotgunMongol21 赞2021/6/1
Well, if he did say this during his last hours, we can prove something we've always known! Hitler was a dumbass.
嗯,如果他临终前真说了这话,那正好证明了我们一直以来的认知!希特勒就是个蠢货。
astrvmnauta28 赞2021/6/1
Eh that’s not really the word id use to describe someone who convinced an entire nation to literally fight the entire world over some extra living space.
Fanatic? Yes. Dumb? Nope.
I just wanted an excuse to insult Hitler mainly, but you are right, he wasn't dumb overall. However, militarily, he was an absolute dumbass with his obsession with Wunderwaffen, those things effectively won the war for the Allies. Also, his hatred of the MP43/STG44 was stupid as well, even if his rifle doctrine of full power battle rifles with relatively low powered scopes seems to be what every nation wants now.
“Just kidding volks! It’s the Jews. Danke, danke, you’re a great crowd.”
“开个玩笑啦大伙儿!都是犹太人的错。多谢多谢,你们真是太棒了。”
Sieze532 赞2021/5/31
I was thinking Jazz Hands.
我本来以为你会说爵士摇摆手(Jazz Hands)呢。
EvilioMTE19 赞2021/5/31
Because that was a popular visual medium at the time. Same way someone today would take their queues from what they've seen look cool in current movies.
因为那是当时很流行的视觉媒介。这就好比现在的人也会从时下电影里那些看起来很酷的镜头中找灵感一样。
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He took tons of these, asking which one looked most menacing and imposing. Hitler was a huge doofy chode.
他拍了成堆这种照片,还问别人哪张看起来最凶狠、最有压迫感。希特勒就是个彻头彻尾的蠢货大傻屌。
ghettobx99 赞2021/5/31
Yeah, hitler wasn’t practicing a speech... he was practicing certain extreme gestures that would excite the German masses that he addressed in person with his speeches. He was trying to nail down how to perfectly capture the audience’s attention in such a way that would reinforce the nationalist fervor he was attempting to rouse in the German people. Everything was meticulously coordinated, right down to the smallest details including the gestures he used in his speeches.
Dude, the Nazis were the most closeted group in human history. You're going to tell me these aren't just drama nerds who took their performance way too far? They had costumes, we doing choreography for speeches, were starting film franchises. I wonder if Hitler had a diary. I bet you it's the most emo shit that humanity will ever be able to produce.
Well, his practice kind of paid off for him. He was arguably one of the most eloquent public speakers of a century that was chock full of eloquent speakers.
嗯,他的勤学苦练确实没白费。在那个演讲天才辈出的世纪里,他大概算得上是最口若悬河的演说家之一。
xkcd_puppy36 赞2021/5/31
If only that asshole had got into theater instead, he probably would have been a great Shakespearean actor.
Another way to say this is he saw fascism as integral to the human experience. Not simply struggle, but violence for the sake of violence because it is what the strong do to the weak as a means of exerting dominance.
An argument that has been making an unexpected comeback in the last decade. It’s been shown in evolutionary terms that cooperation is better than oppression and violence but people still cling to this toxic ideology because they just need to feel superior that badly.
Not feeling superior. Being superior. That is a feeling stronger than shooting heroin as you orgasm into your own sister. You have to accept that some people just don't see other people as people. It is what it is.
I mean, there couldn't be a better person to write these rules. He just had to look at the mirror and describe everything opposite to what he saw.
我是说,真的没人比他更适合写这些规则了。他只需要对着镜子,把自己看到的一切反着描述出来就行了。
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Gorf_the_Magnificent539 赞2021/5/31
A couple of interesting points from that link: - Hitler ordered Hoffman to destroy these pictures, but Hoffman didn’t obey, and published them in his 1955 memoir, “Hitler Was My Friend.” - Hoffman introduced Hitler to his then-studio assistant, Eva Braun.
Thanks for the interesting stuff. Wonder what kind of attention he got after the publication.
感谢分享这些干货。挺好奇他这书发了之后引起了多大反响。
youandmeboth84 赞2021/5/31
The article says he died 2 years after he published the book
文章里说了,他书出版两年后就挂了。
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•Hitler frequently broke the “sometimes-always-never” rule of three-button suit jackets.
•希特勒经常打破三粒扣西装“有时扣、总是扣、从不扣”的着装守则。
A_Sinclaire35 赞2021/5/31
Though isn't that mostly British fashion that somehow ended up being the global default for suit jackets? I could imagine intentionally closing the bottom button as a statement. (not that it makes only leaving the top button open look better).
“Please destroy these photos. They make me look like a madman! How embarrassing!” —Hitler
“请销毁这些照片。它们让我看起来像个疯子!真是太丢人了!”——希特勒
just_let_go_37 赞2021/5/31
另一个有意思的点:
文章最下面第一条评论说“帅”。
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三条评论都挺奇怪地支持。
johnnycasaba84 赞2021/5/31
谢谢你给的链接,超爱这句话:“他有那种能让人停止批判性思考,只会情绪爆发的能力。”
nomadofwaves30 赞2021/5/31
听着莫名耳熟。
ghettobx19 赞2021/5/31
可不嘛。这帮人叫政客。
HeyCarpy26 赞2021/5/31
真有意思。有些照片里他简直像换了个人似的。
ZootZephyr21 赞2021/6/1
Agreed. I think it's because he was trying out different mannerisms and actions that fit his desired persona. We recognize the fist clenching and high arm but the others that he didn't use, seem unrecognizable. It's pretty wild to see.
There's something terrifying about the fact he rehearsed. Makes everything he said even more deliberate. More than just a random angry, facist, rant. But carefully crafted words of hatred.
Of course he rehearsed! Every politician does. The Nazis considered the speech to be the most effective form of propaganda, and they honed it just like any sophists. I'm pretty sure he didn't rant all the time, but we tend to be shown the crescendos. Consider that he was a Wagnerian - I think he tried to make the speech a *Gesamtkunstwerk* or total-work-of-art, and in the end that's all it was - a pack of lies dressed up as a fantasy.
Yes of course he rehearsed but I have never personally heard of people rehearsing their hand movements and their gestures. He was incredibly animated and I find it scary that he had planned it all out in probably every speech like some sort of choreography.
Uhhh, public speakers rehearse all the time. As do actors. As do trial attorneys. As do anyone who’s ever had to get up before people and convince them of anything. Shit, I practiced for my middle school senate election. I practiced for poems I’ve had to memorize for classes.
Look up [Erik Jan Hanussen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen) >Although Hanussen claimed to be a Danish aristocrat, he was in fact a Moravian Jew, born as Hermann (Herschel Chaim) Steinschneider. >Stories abound of meetings between Hanussen and Hitler, including an encounter shortly before the election of November 1932, during which Hanussen taught Hitler his crowd control techniques of using gestures and dramatic pauses.
去查查 [Erik Jan Hanussen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen)
>尽管哈努森自称是丹麦贵族,但他实际上是个摩拉维亚犹太人,原名赫尔曼(赫舍尔·海姆)·施泰因施奈德。
>关于哈努森与希特勒会面的传闻比比皆是,其中包括 1932 年 11 月选举前夕的一次会面,在那期间,哈努森教给了希特勒如何通过手势和戏剧性的停顿来掌控人群的技巧。
WoodGunsPhoto15 赞2021/5/31
The only unrehearsed things that they say cost them a lot. Everything is rehearsed. Trump was probably the closest we'll ever get to a "politician" saying whatever he wanted and you saw how well that worked. I'd bet my left nut that Kamala repeated her we did it Joe at least 5 times in front of her mirror.
He was 36 in this pic. The mustache add quite some age
他在这张照片里才36岁。这撇小胡子让他显老不少。
HypocriticalCritic145 赞2021/6/1
I can also imagine WW1 added some years onto his face
我也能想到一战肯定也让他看起来沧桑了许多。
tanhan2730 赞2021/6/1
IMO he was not a good looking dude.
我觉得他长得真不咋地。
Arthorius16305 赞2021/5/31
Sometimes, i look at sone Hitler's photos and videos, and i think to myself: Man, why did you gave up arts? Sometimes i feel like this is just a alternative reality and that i lived in one reality where he was just a peaceful german artist and painter.
I mean, he was kinda a messed up guy from the start. He believed a lot of those awful things since way before he became an artist, and even had antisocial tendencies as a child. He likely would have become a politician anyway even if he got into art school since his political career grew out of his time in the military, not from being unemployed from lack of artistic success.
From his viewpoint, he got to create and design uniforms, buildings, society, and an “ideal” race of people instead. A much bigger project than painting. They even had a 240 page book of brand guidelines. Graphic designer, Stephen Heller, wrote a book about some of it, mainly concerning the use of the swastika over time.
*Austrian Also it was WW1 that radicalised him. He would have joined the war whether or not he’d joined the arts school. So I don’t think history would have all been that different. Hitler was a man of his time, and he came to represent a generation of incredibly bitter and hateful people who wanted revenge for seeing their homeland being destroyed in front of their eyes. Think of how potent 9/11 was, now think how the average German must have felt at the end of WW1, from one of the worlds upcoming superpowers to a humiliated and embittered torn up nation. It’s this that led Hitler on his path, his rejection from art school really doesn’t matter as much as others would have you think.
there probably was something inside him, and not being accepted at the Vienna art school made him snap. He was a great painter, but such an awful human being. he completely wasted his potential.
>not being accepted at the Vienna art school made him snap I mean this is just one of those Reddit history memes that gets bandied about and is entirely fictitious. Real life isn't a movie lmao. He had pretty much the same ideas his whole life and sort of became a product of his environment as he meandered through shit paid work and the social scene in Vienna & Germany. The art school wasn't really a significant factor at all lol.
Not to mention he fought in ww1, that probably left him a bit more damaged and salty. Germany got screwed after the war which led to rampant nationalism and the brown shirts coming to power, and hatred of the Jews was not exclusive to Germany at the time.
Yea. And if it wasn't Hitler, it would have been someone else stepping up and taking power. At that point, WW2 was almost unavoidable
没错。就算不是希特勒,也会有别人站出来掌权。到了那个节骨眼上,二战几乎是不可避免的。
Maiesk16 赞2021/6/1
Aye, if we have to give him a Freudian Excuse, you have to point to WWI. The man was blinded by a gas attack and while incapacitated found out that after years of service and many victories, Germany had surrendered. After that he watched his country devastated by the Treaty of Versailles, its sanctions only imposed because the "weak" civilian leaders of the country had failed the world's greatest army. He had always been a patriot, always believing in Germany and the strength of the German people. He was excited to fight for them, and even when wounded he begged not to be taken away from his duties. Seeing what the rest of Europe did to Germany post-war quickly turned his resentment into wrath, and his patriotism into Fascism. Honestly I think the only difference made by him not getting into art school is that at least he'd have been out in Vienna and maybe wouldn't have gotten into the thick of things in the right moments.
I was told at school that the frustration pushed him to politics, but yeah it's obvious that you don't develop hateful ideologies just because you didn't get accepted in an art school lol
>I was told at school that the frustration pushed him to politics Well yeah, that's what I was referring to. People act like it's some Joker "we live in a society" moment that made him go crazy or whatever. Nah man, dude was always hateful af and probably would have been a Nazi either way, art school or no art school.
He looks like a Vampire about to die because of exposure to sunlight.
他看起来就像个快被太阳晒死的老吸血鬼。
fretofdoom30 赞2021/5/31
For a split second I thought it was a scene from Nosferatu!
我刚才有一瞬间真以为这是《诺斯费拉图》里的画面!
1man_marg-sabl103 赞2021/5/31
The man was truly a genius. To be able to paint your vision so blindingly across your country and to have all those people believe some absurdities, because you're a good public speaker is some true power.
>To be able to paint your vision so blindingly across your country and to have all those people believe some absurdities While he did that, a lot of people wanted to believe Nazi rhetoric, and it didn't take much convincing to get them there.
It's not hard time convince parts of the population that *their* group is superior to *other* groups. Tribalism is unfortunately a seemingly inherent part of the human psyche.
especially when you are suffering and angry and looking to put that hurt and blame somewhere.
特别是当你正处于苦难和愤怒之中,急着想找个地方去宣泄伤痛和迁怒他人的时候。
pembroke52973 赞2021/5/31
I'm currently reading "Hitler in Hell", and now I understand the "why" of this photo as well as the "who" (who took the photo - Hoffman). It's a great read for anyone interested in an "autobiography" of Hitler post suicide.
我最近正在读《希特勒在地狱》(Hitler in Hell),现在我不仅搞懂了这张照片里“谁”(摄影师——霍夫曼)拍的,还明白了为什么要拍它。
对于任何对希特勒自杀后“自传”感兴趣的人来说,这本书都非常值得一读。
ShenBapiro2072 赞2021/5/31
The more I learn about this "Hitler" guy, the less I like him.
我对这个叫“希特勒”的家伙了解得越多,就越讨厌他。
Perryparsons01833 赞2021/5/31
Seems like a real jerk
感觉这人真是个彻头彻尾的混蛋。
black_fire_storm32 赞2021/5/31
I'm imagining him with Dr. Strange like magic hand circles
我在脑补他像奇异博士那样在那儿画圈圈施魔法。
count_frightenstein24 赞2021/5/31
He wasn't really practicing a speech, more how he looked and his facial expressions and hand movements. Sure he was talking but that was secondary as he reviewed and modified things based on the pictures.
“Lose the spirit fingers” “Really, fuck I thought it was kinda cool”
“把那个招魂舞般的手势给我收了。”
“讲真,靠,我还觉得挺帅的呢。”
Slurp_Lord18 赞2021/5/31
跟你说吧,我直接说了。操那个男的。
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“霍夫曼”?听着像犹太人的名字!
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私人摄影师……这孙子在“ins”还没出现的时候就已经在玩“ins”了。
waterbylak13 赞2021/5/31
Thinking about the shit he must’ve seen in his formative twenties as a front line soldier in WW 1, not surprising to see madness in those eyes.
一想到他在二十出头那会儿作为一战前线士兵肯定见过不少烂摊子,看到他那双眼睛里的疯狂也就不足为奇了。
AdotFlicker11 赞2021/6/1
Fuck that guy and every single thing he stood for.
去他妈的那个家伙,还有他所代表的一切破事。
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The man really looked deranged in his speeches. His neck would always contort in the most bizarre ways. Looked like he was possessed.
这人演讲的时候看起来真像个疯子。他的脖子总是以各种诡异的方式扭动。看起来就像是被鬼附身了一样。
Puftwaffe7 赞2021/5/31
他看起来就像刚被一辆失控的火车撞了个正着。
36_Chambers_6 赞2021/5/31
我愿意相信,这是他给自己“一枪崩了”时脸上的表情。
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我不能给希特勒点赞。但这张照片很有力量,因为它展现了戏剧性对他的宣传有多重要。
tally065 赞2021/6/1
An ardent animal rights supporter he enacted laws protecting animals, also he once wrote a so sorry letter to a school recovering from a death toll due to a gas fire. The Japanese often portray their evil characters in anime with some good traits to make them more realistic ,usually people dont walk around saying they are evil..Maybe Hitler went nuts on drugs and any reservations he may have had about being inhuman to accomplish his stated goals vanished.I still think Stalin never had any good traits as an adult and was just pure evil "naturally".