They didn’t walk around with it on. They sat on the throne with it on. That thing weighs like ten pounds or more since it’s all gold and gemstones. Also it was worn over a mitre or velvet cap.
Charlemagne was, according to historians and contemporaries, an incredibly large man for his time. When they opened his tomb, anthropologists measured him to be about 6ft 5in. tall. It might stand to reason that he had a giant head too, who knows
It would require a big brain to rule over so many broken states
得是个“大脑门”才镇得住这么多支离破碎的邦国。
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whoami_whereami53 赞2021/4/5
More like the soldier has a pretty small head, especially front to back. The distance between the front and back plates of the crown is 20.9cm, the distance between the side plates is 22.2cm (measurements are from the book *Die Wiener Reichskrone* by Gunther G. Wolf). Note that both distances are measured between the gold plates, not the interior measurement of the lining. That's pretty wide (according to [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_head#Average_head_sizes) average male head breadth is about 15cm), but not overly long (average male head length is about 20cm).
更准确地说,这位士兵的脑袋其实挺小的,尤其是从前到后的深度。根据贡特尔·G·沃尔夫(Gunther G. Wolf)的书《维也纳帝国皇冠》(*Die Wiener Reichskrone*)记载,皇冠前后板之间的距离是20.9厘米,侧板之间的距离是22.2厘米。注意,这两个数据测量的是金板之间的距离,而非内衬的内部尺寸。这确实挺宽的(根据维基百科,成年男性的平均头部宽度约为15厘米),但前后深度并不算特别长(成年男性平均头部长度约为20厘米)。
hachetteblomquist2,102 赞2021/4/5
Some of the most famous men in history wore and fought for that crown just for some private to light himself a cigarette and throw it on his head hundreds of years later, God I love history
>Some of the most famous men in history wore and fought for that crown Not for *that* crown really, the one in the picture is a copy of the Imperial crown, was made for Wilhelm II in 1912
the crown in the pic is the original. Americans couldn’t find it it Nuremberg. Under interrogation a nazi told where they hid it. the man under interrogation only demanded that the crown stays in europe and they americans did that. if u wanna see it the crown is in the imperial vault at the hofburg, vienna, austria.
Ancient explorers risked life and limb, traders established routes through dangerous territory, men fought and died to transport valuable spices across insane distances... Me: hehe cinnamon go brrrr
What's more amazing to me, is not just the availability of spices. But the fact that we have the knowledge to grow them in basically any part of the world with artificial conditions. I've never been to Sri Lanka, probably never will. But I can replicate Sri Lankan conditions here in the US and grow my own cinnamon.
I mean, I guess I'm glad the Nazis put it somewhere it wouldn't be bombed, still wild that they would just hide away such an important piece of German history.
I mean we still don't know where the amber room is
我意思是说,直到现在我们连琥珀屋在哪儿都还不知道呢。
TheMightyGoatMan34 赞2021/4/5
Sadly it was almost certainly incinerated during the burning of Königsberg Castle. The castle was its last recorded location, and a few non-flammable bits of it were found in the wreckage.
PV2 - too scared of higher ups to do anything ballsy PFC - will do the stupidest shit for popularity SPC - can and will launch a Nuke on his own given the chance
The SPC actually has to be at work to have a chance at launching the nuke
SPC(下士)得先真的去上班,才有可能去按那个核按钮。
berryblackwater45 赞2021/4/5
See the pv2 wants to move up, he has his step and command favor, it's his to lose. The pfc is hoping to make some general lol so much he takes pv4 that afternoon. Yolo.
《希尔德布兰之歌》(Lay of Hildebrand)的原始抄本二战后被带到了美国,结果还给弄坏了。
spyser1,033 赞2021/4/4
What was the crown of the Holy Roman Empire doing in a cave?
神圣罗马帝国的皇冠当时是怎么跑到山洞里去的?
gliotic717 赞2021/4/4
Put there for safe keeping during the war, I’d imagine?
我猜是为了在战争期间妥善保存才放在那儿的吧?
Maetharin207 赞2021/4/5
Taken from Vienna by the Nazis.
是纳粹从维也纳抢来的。
SirNedKingOfGila787 赞2021/4/4
The nazis jacked it from Austria in 1938 and put it under nuremberg castle. Cave isn't really accurate... it was a purpose built vault for storing treasure. After the war America had it returned to Austria.
This comment is wrong on many levels. It wasnt stolen. Nuremburg was where the crown was held there for most of its history. Actualy the Austrians "stole" it from Nuremburg in in the 1796. Austria was also willingly part of Germany at the time (literally 99.6% of them wanted it) it was relocated to Nuremburg. We all need to stop portraying Austrians as victims.
The 99.6% figure is completely wrong. Sure, its the number the Nazis put out to make it seem like an overwhelming majority of Austria wanted unification with Germany. But the referendum was rigged in many ways such as making the yes option much bigger than the no option, not letting Jews, communists and other political enemies vote in the referendum, outright vote-rigging etc. So saying that 99.6% of Austrians actually wanted it would be blatantly false.
Wait, so maybe 99% of Crimea doesn’t actually want to be part of Russia?
等等,所以说克里米亚那99%(支持率)可能也不是真心想加入俄罗斯的?
_gotmoxie_20 赞2021/4/5
I think you’d know SupremeDictator, the peasants vote the way you tell them... (in a thick Russian accent)
我觉得你应该懂的,至高独裁者阁下,那些苦力们可是按你说的意愿在投票……(模仿浓重的俄罗斯口音)
IMA_BLACKSTAR25 赞2021/4/5
I think the Ukrainians moved out and Russia settled 100000+ russians in the area. So no. They don't want to go back to Ukraine. Edit: Ukraine 2001 Census shows ~1.3 million russians and ~0.6 million ukrainians. Russian census 2021 shows ~1.6 million russians and ~0.34 million ukrainians. [(Crimea demographics wikipedia)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea). Given russia's negative birth number it seems unlikely the increase was from newborns.
The election was rigged, yes, but Austria had wanted unification at that time. Under a fair election, it is very likely that the same would have resulted
Oh for sure they wanted it. They had been wanting it since the end of the First World War. I'm just saying that the 99.6% figure would be a lot lower (though certainly above 50%) if the election wasn't rigged.
The flip side is you would think the Nazis weren't popular in Austria after the war because you couldn't find a single nazi on either side of the border then
Well considering there were armed SS men at every polling station, I think the Anschluss vote is of dubious legitimacy.
嗯,考虑到当时每个投票站都有荷枪实弹的党卫军守着,我觉得那场关于“德奥合并”的投票合法性存疑。
EnglishMobster28 赞2021/4/5
Not that I disagree with you -- I was actually looking up sources to refute the other guy since I suspected he was a Nazi apologist -- [but it seems he's correct.](https://www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-7/taking-austria) > First, there can be no doubt that the initial enthusiasm was both genuine and spontaneous . . . Second, it is clear that the populace was profoundly relieved that bloodshed had been avoided . . . The sight of well-equipped Landsers [German soldiers] marching through the country revived memories of wartime solidarity and evoked a sense of satisfaction that the humiliations of 1918 had at last been overcome. Third, nearly all hoped for a dramatic improvement in the material conditions of everyday life; most Austrians were aware of Hitler's economic achievements and had good reason to believe that their expectations would soon be fulfilled. Fourth, there can be little doubt that millions of people welcomed the Anschluss as a chance to put an end to the so-called Jewish Question. The antisemitic violence that followed . . . was perpetrated by the Austrian Nazis and their accomplices, not by the German invaders. That the new regime openly sanctioned persecution and Aryanization, in other words, could only enhance its popularity. Like, there's a lot to it. The "yes" box was bigger to "remind people of how to vote." Voting wasn't anonymous and was supervised by German military. Certain groups of people (people suspected of being Jewish, Communist, or Roma) were banned from the polling sites. But there's also reasons why people would vote yes, as that quote mentions. Post-Versailles Austria wasn't that great of a place to be. [When the Nazis brought their military into Austria without resistance, they conducted a large propaganda campaign](https://web.archive.org/web/20070404180146/http://www.doew.at/thema/thema_alt/wuv/maerz38_2/propaganda.html) (link in German). There's a chance that the first (cancelled) referendum wouldn't have had as dramatic of a result... but it probably would've still been the same result.
Why do you say that Austria "stole" it in 1796 when it belonged to the Austrian Holy Roman Emperor at the time? Edit: In fact according to wikipedia (so further research is needed) it wasn't even taken to Austria in 1796, it was taken to Regensburg in Bavaria, and only to Vienna in 1800.
Before that it was kept in Nuremberg regardless of where the emperor lived or who he was. It was mostly austrians before that anyway. The austrians taking it in 1796 actually caused alot of debate. and many people interpreted it as "stealing"
1423, the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire gives Nuremberg the privilege of keeping the Imperial Crown Jewels safe. IN PERPETUITY. They should have never been moved in the first place.
If in modern society if we had a country like Scotland vote 99.6% to leave, would you consider that not suspicious? Ireland and Northern Ireland vote 99.6% to reunite? Erdogan or putin wins an election with 99.6% of the vote, still not suspicious? So why would that seem like a perfectly acceptable result to you? Especially for a vote held under the watchful eye of a regime known for violence and dirty politics, even ignoring some of the violence they would commit after annexing Austria.
Probably protecting it so that allied forces wouldn't find it, just like the germans did it with thousands of other historical and artistic objects
大概率是为了保护它不被盟军发现,就像德国人对成千上万件其他历史文物和艺术品所做的那样。
DrGoodTrips29 赞2021/4/4
Also the fact that we lost a lot of shit due to bombs in ww2, a cave is relatively safer and less suspicious than a building.
另外,当时因为二战中的各种轰炸,我们丢了不少好东西;相比于建筑,山洞相对更安全,也不那么显眼。
nshunter543 赞2021/4/4
Nazi Germany stole it from where ever it was kept and tried to hide it in a cave (with other treasures, relics, and art) from the approaching allies. It was hoped that they would rebuild the Riech with these items to fund it.
They stole the Crown Treasures of the Holy Roman Empire from where they were kept and moved them to Nuremburg which the Nazis planned to make the mecca of their pseudo-religion. The Spear of Destiny/Lance of Longinus, which was part of the collection, was a big deal in nazi lore, they shaped part of the town to mirror the sillouette of the spear and the tip of this meta-spear was to be the building that housed the spear itself, a former Knights Templar chapel. The collection was moved to a hidden bunker in the town but a conspiracy among its keepers managed to steal everything needed to crown the emperor for the planned fourth reich.
> They stole the Crown Treasures of the Holy Roman Empire from where they were kept and moved them to Nuremburg I don't want to defend the Nazis in their quest for mythology and historical re-creation (esp their appropriation of ancient history into their twisted lore), but to criticize them for moving the crown treasures to Nürnberg seems kinda myopic: that's [where they were kept for centuries](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia#Committal_to_Nuremberg), from the 15th century till 1796 (in total 372 years). They were kept in Vienna from 1800 onwards.
Did the really steal it? I mean it was kept in Vienna which was Germany at the time. Then again the Anschluss wasn't really a fair democratic referendum either so I'm not entirely sure.
Even Tony Hawk doesn’t get mistaken for Tony Hawk.
连托尼·霍克本人都没被认成是托尼·霍克过。
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Maybe his ancestor Anthony Hawkini
搞不好他祖先是安东尼·霍金尼(Anthony Hawkini)。
Joe_Doblow33 赞2021/4/5
I thought it was a young glassesless bill gates
我还以为是个没戴眼镜的年轻版比尔·盖茨。
burrbro23516 赞2021/4/5
That's Private Hawk to you.
叫他“霍克列兵”(Private Hawk)才对。
vorpalsnickersnack642 赞2021/4/5
His Sergeant: slowly remove and put down the combined value of half of Europe, thx. Edit: thank you for the silver!
他的中士:慢慢地把那价值半个欧洲的玩意儿给我卸下来放好,谢了。
编辑:多谢大佬赏的银子!
Dragonborn199520 赞2021/4/5
I'm wearing a crown and you're not.
老子戴着王冠,而你没有。
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*PFC strips down to nothing and proceeds to violently masturbate while running around said cave while SGT chases him*
*二等兵脱得一丝不挂,一边在洞里疯跑,一边开始猛烈自慰,中士在后面玩命追赶*
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Oh hey, look, someone who was in the Marines with me.
哟,瞧瞧,这不是以前跟我一起当海军陆战队的那位嘛。
FalcoSG233 赞2021/4/4
Even if its just a crown from a monarchy and even if it was at a time of brutal war... Somehow i feel disgusted in a historic way that someone puts this on so casually.
Some say this man’s children are pretenders to the throne to this day
有人说,这人的后代直到今天还自称是王位继承人呢。
Assistant-Popular15 赞2021/4/5
They may have more legitimacy then some others...
他们可能确实比其他人更有那么点正统性……
JakeHodgson107 赞2021/4/5
I get that. It's kinda weird knowing it was a hugely treasured item for an entire empire and here it is being fumbled round in jest. It's weird but I don't know if it's good or bad.
For me it’s the contrast between an object so symbolic for which hundreds of thousands had meaning and died fighting for it and then many years later something like this happens w that object. It makes me wonder about the inevitable fragility of power long term
I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal, these words appear: My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.” -Percy Bysshe Shelley
Honestly, I think it’s fucking wild to see a crown I recognize from a history textbook on some drunk GI. I dunno, sometimes we’re a bit too precious with shit. These objects had a history before we found them, had many hands touch them, some with malice, some with love. The idea of an artifact’s hermetic separation from the rest of reality is a new invention, and while it serves well the archivist, it’s far from the only method of approaching the past.
I felt the same way when soldiers were shitting on Saddam’s golden toilet.
当年士兵们在萨达姆的黄金马桶上拉屎的时候,我的感觉也一样。
Johannes_P26 赞2021/4/5
Saddam's golden toilets weren't a historical artifact but merely one more evidence of the megalomania of a despot.
萨达姆的黄金马桶可不是什么历史文物,不过是又一个证明那暴君自大狂的铁证罢了。
ScantlyChad24 赞2021/4/5
No this is hella cool. He's adding to the history of it.
不,这玩意儿酷毙了。他这简直是在给历史添砖加瓦。
bromanskei201 赞2021/4/5
Hey I've got that crown in Crusader Kings 3!
嘿,我在《十字军之王3》里就有那顶皇冠!
Niall____27 赞2021/4/5
Same! But how it got all the way to India is beyond me
我也一样!但它到底是怎么一路流落到印度的,我是真的一点也想不通。
bromanskei16 赞2021/4/5
Haha nice. CK3 was my first crusaders game, other than that EU4 was my only other paradox game. Now it has eclipsed Total War as my favorite strategy series. Currently somewhere around 1,300 hours in CK3 and no plans to stop anytime soon. Hell, I have yet to play as a ruler outside of Europe, I'll get there eventually
哈哈,牛的。CK3(十字军之王3)是我玩的第一款十字军系列游戏,除此之外我只玩过 EU4(欧陆风云4)这一款 P 社游戏。现在它已经取代《全面战争》系列成为我最爱的策略游戏了。目前我在 CK3 上大概花了 1300 小时,而且短期内根本停不下来。说真的,我甚至还没试过玩欧洲以外的统治者呢,不过早晚会去玩玩的。
Jean_le_Jedi_Gris93 赞2021/4/5
My hot take is that it’s a good bet that dude straight up stole the other jewelry he’s wearing. Bet someone’s family in the good ol’ U S of A is the unknowing owner of random rings and bracelets that used to belong to the Holy Roman Emperor. Disclaimer: my history knowledge is terrible but I DO know that looting was a real thing during WW2.
>It happens in literally every war and by literally every country/ethnicity. Can't really blame them though, drafted to another continent to suffer and risk your life for a few years. After all that, you probably want something valuable to take home with you, If you come across some.
My grandfather brought back, among other things, a few old swords and muskets that were apparently stolen from a castle Should we get them analyzed? What are the odds they’d be taken back if they’re shown to be important? Then again, I’d probably given them back or at least to a museum if they were
Take a few photos and post them on It's a subreddit about a YouTube show that is mainly about obscure old weapons, which means it attracts a lot of people interested in and knowledgeable about old firearms (but there are probably a few people there who can identify swords). If we can find out where they are roughly from, I'd be more than happy to help you getting in contact with a German museum.
If these guys think wearing a crown is bad wait until they learn about the rest of WWII where entire districts of cities hundreds of years old were turned to rubble. Or maybe all the relics in Germany and England from former colonies that have yet to be returned and before someone says “they weren’t fit to protect it,” I find picking a fight with the entire world pretty piss poor stewardship of your artifacts.
“You put the crown on, Pvt. Schwartz?” “Yes, sir.” “And you were holding a bundle of burning leaves?” “It was a cigar, sir. Why?” “Congratulations, Schwartz. Technically, you’re the new pope.” “Oooo, Rabbi Geller gonna be pissed.”
And the 3 rings and bracelet? Not exactly part of soldier’s kit.
还有那三枚戒指和那个手镯呢?那可不算是士兵的标准装备吧。
johnps401021 赞2021/4/5
Bracelet is likely an ID bracelet which was very common among GIs of the period. The rings, likely also personal items. Lots of guys wore crest rings, etc.
By ancient law, you won the crown by combat. You're the emperor now.
根据古老的法律,既然你通过战斗赢得了皇冠。
那你现在就是皇帝了。
Dilljong8 赞2021/4/5
I'm actually living above this cave, the street is called "Hainer Weg" in Siegen.
我其实就住在那个洞穴的楼上,那条街在锡根,叫“Hainer Weg”。
ScettynButter8 赞2021/4/5
All the rings on his fingers, was this a very common thing?
他手指上戴了那么多戒指,这在当时很常见吗?
AWKBTK8 赞2021/4/5
History lesson, learned. Notһing lasts forever. Even priceless artifacts looose relevance.
历史课,学到了。没有什么能永恒。即便是无价之宝,到头来也会变得索然无味。
schmoketq17 赞2021/4/5
Stats aren’t high enough for that piece of armor
这件护甲的属性加成还不够高。
Jgoody19906 赞2021/4/5
I love how a lot of people are getting worked up about the dude putting on the crown? “How dare that fucking peasant free this city from Nazis and then TAKE A SELFIE”.