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The "Hasanlu lovers" died around 800 B.C. and were discovered in 1972. They died in what seems to be an embrace or kiss, and remained that way for 2800 years. [400x647]
The "Hasanlu lovers" died around 800 B.C. and were discovered in 1972. They died in what seems to be an embrace or kiss, and remained that way for 280
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MalCarl5,509 赞2020/10/1
dude imagine how fucking numb that skeleton arm is feeling, mad respect
levishand2,305 赞2020/10/1
"No, I'm not uncomfortable"
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And we lie for a reason.
bermobaron389 赞2020/10/1
Poor gal you replied to has no idea how much is kept from her.
ShchiDaKasha177 赞2020/10/2
As a fellow man I would also love to know why y’all are lying about this. If my arm is going dead because we’re in a funny position I just say “Hey, can you move your head a little?”
TheRealPixeLink336 赞2020/10/2
I lie because I know she’s comfortable and happy and I love seeing her comfortable and happy
followmarko314 赞2020/10/2
What's even better is when you're both comfortable though.
Goldfish_cosmos44 赞2020/10/2
If someones partner could potentially feel uncomfortable by their partner being uncomfortable- the solution is to both be comfortable together not to lie lol
MBKM1358 赞2020/10/2
I think y’all are overthinking this at this point lmao
redhead12924 赞2020/10/2
This whole conversation topic is just so sweet. Bf and I like to cuddle at the bottom of the shower on long days and he's too big for the tub. He always sits against the back and lets me lay back on him. Halfway through the cuddle sesh, I can tell he is cold and uncomfortable, even though he denies me asking like twenty times. By the time we run out of hot water, his skin will be cold and I'll feel so bad but so safe and loved in the end. I don't know what I'd do if I lost that. Thank you guys for sacrificing comfort to see us safe and cozy- ya'll are too underappreciated
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ShchiDaKasha25 赞2020/10/2
I know it sounds crazy, but maybe if you guys communicated you could *both* be comfortable. “Oof my arm is getting numb, could you move a little bit to the left?” “Yeah, no problem.” “You still comfortable?” “Yeah, let me just readjust quickly.” It’s not rocket science
gnex3018 赞2020/10/2
Shhh! You're about to give away guy secrets. That's a first class penalty bro. Never give away guy secrets.
bermobaron24 赞2020/10/2
Thought I'd take one for the team and renounce my guy membership by doing this. Now you're all free to lay in bed with full use of both arms full of flowing blood. This was a worthy cause.
welt_schmerz1624 赞2020/10/1
The skeleton on its back as identified as male. The other seems to be iffy. So there may be no “gal” at all, and if there is one it’s not the one with a numb arm.
Amanda_Mathea357 赞2020/10/1
I am hijacking the top comment to clarify some things: Both skeletons are believed to be male, though this has been debated. [Source](https://www.penn.museum/collections/highlights/physicalanthro/the-lovers.php) Some more context: "From archeological evidence, researchers discovered that the city of Teppe Hasanlu was destroyed around 800 BCE by an invading army that sacked the city and burned it to the ground.The Hasanlu Lovers were likely hiding from these invaders in the grain bin when they died of asphyxiation from the smoke emanating from the fires raging around the city." Source: https://allthatsinteresting.com/hasanlu-lovers Thanks for all the awards!
betweenskill305 赞2020/10/2
All historians: "These two good friends..."
9mackenzie130 赞2020/10/2
More likely “these might be lovers, they might be father and son, or they might have been friends.” Displays of affection between males was very common and did not always mean sexual connection, and no historian worth their salt would say they were 100% sure these two men were lovers. That’s why historians/archeologist try not to define the relationship when they have no clue.
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Knowing humans, family or lovers is a pretty safe bet.
epictetusthelame_16 赞2020/10/2
Family of lovers?
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Sufficio21 赞2020/10/2
I don't know anything about ~~archeology~~ anthropology/history like this, is the same pressure to not assume relationships applied if the subjects are male+female rather than same sex?
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sayqueen45 赞2020/10/2
R/SapphoAndHerFriend
DomoKottur41 赞2020/10/2
A couple of things give me pause - 1. sexing from osteological features has a pretty poor accuracy rate. I do this professionally, and I always note that most studies with known sexes produce somewhere in the 60% accuracy ball park. Its a helpful tool to develop bioarchaeological profiles, but its not a slam dunk. Second, techniques have improved greatly since the 1970s. Any work that was done that long ago I'd want to recheck. They've got some pretty good descriptions on the digital collections website, but the Penn museum collection is riddled with errors, especially with their sexing. Not exactly a dig on Penn, but its a massive collection, and a lot of it was analyzed by interns with little oversight. Third, if the second individual is a sub adult, then their sex should always be listed as indeterminate. You don't sex subadults, it just can't be done accurately because you haven't gone through puberty to see enough biological or skeletal changes. Not that I'm saying two dudes couldn't be romantically linked as they suffocated in a granary! Dying sucks, love who you love!
TacoDoc101 赞2020/10/1
Hug and roll Hug and roll
IndianaTonus42 赞2020/10/1
Hug for her! Roll for you!
Legen_unfiltered48 赞2020/10/1
My exact thoughts. Dude aint felt his arm in ages
LilPumpTheGoat60 赞2020/10/1
I bet he wanna play playstation with the bois so bad rn
2,619 赞2020/10/1
The Hasanlu Lovers are a pair of human remains found by a team from the University of Pennsylvania led by Robert H. Dyson at the Teppe Hasanlu archaeological site, located in the Solduz Valley in the West Azerbaijan Province of Iran, in 1972. The two human skeletons were found together in a bin during excavations, seemingly embracing at the time of death. Approximately 246 skeletons were found at the site altogether. The skeleton on the right (referred to as SK 335) is lying on its back. Dental evidence suggest SK 335 is a young adult, possibly 19–22 years of age. Researchers identified the skeleton as male largely based on the pelvis. The skeleton had no apparent evidence of disease or healed lifetime injuries. The skeleton on the left (SK 336) is lying on its left side facing SK 335. It has been aged to about 30–35 years. While sex determination is less definitive for this skeleton, evidence suggests SK 336 was also male. The individual appeared to have been healthy in life, and the skeleton had no apparent evidence of healed lifetime injuries. At the time of excavation, this skeleton was originally identified as female.
422 赞2020/10/1
Thank you! :)
36 赞2020/10/2
Maybe died of plague?
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https://www.penn.museum/collections/highlights/physicalanthro/the-lovers.php The city was attacked and burnt to the ground. These two were hiding in a grain bin.
1,866 赞2020/10/1
Probably just good friends or roommates. /s
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299 赞2020/10/1
"How would anyone find out?" - 2000 years later...
30 赞2020/10/2
"Perry Bible Fellowship has entered the chat."
146 赞2020/10/1
Two dudes chillin in bed. Two inches apart cause they’re just friends
28 赞2020/10/2
Gotta keep the homies close
264 赞2020/10/1
Their last words to each other were “No homo” before their lips met in a tumultuous and passionate kiss.
39 赞2020/10/2
And was the same two words the excavators said when they found them.
21 赞2020/10/2
I never go to sleep without giving my homies a kiss good night
259 赞2020/10/1
Oh, they were roommates.
168 赞2020/10/1
Oh my god they were roommates
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23 赞2020/10/1
Sappho and... his friend?
54 赞2020/10/1
Achilles and his “nephew”
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81 赞2020/10/1
No archaeological evidence of the balls touching, so it's not gay.
26 赞2020/10/2
Are they wearing socks? It's not gay if you keep your socks on.
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35 赞2020/10/2
That's what I was thinking at first, that it might be a child and their parent with one comforting or maybe mourning if the other was already dead and their own death was imminent. That being said, if I recall correctly, having children in your teens was pretty uncommon back in the day. People typically waited 'til their mid-to-late 20s before conceiving. I could be wrong though, as when I read that tidbit of info I believe it was for the middle ages, not sure if it was applicable to ancient history as well.
22 赞2020/10/2
There's a chain further up with a hypothesis that they're hiding in the grain bin from invaders and died of asphyxiation due to everything being burned to the ground. The hand on the face could be them trying to keep the other awake as they both pass out. This gets especially heart wrenching if they're father and son.
63 赞2020/10/1
From their estimated age ranges, could have been father and son. It wouldn't surprise me if a man aged 35 had a son aged 19 in 800 BCE.
30 赞2020/10/2
also very common in the past for older men to date younger men, maybe not in Iran in the -800s, though
19 赞2020/10/1
Probably just napping like Ross and Joey. No homo tho.
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> At the time of excavation, this skeleton was originally identified as female. > in the West Azerbaijan Province of Iran, in 1972. Yeah I'll bet he was
65 赞2020/10/1
What does that mean?
550 赞2020/10/1
a gay narrative is not one archaeologists wanted to be selling in iran at the time
28 赞2020/10/2
It's probably not that they were maliciously hiding the truth but that they didn't even check too much and just assumed. Telling the sex of bones is not always easy, there is a lot of room for mistakes depending on what bones were preserved, how well were preserved and the characteristics of the individual. Lots of times the sex was determined by context. There were weapons around? That's a male. Jewels? That's female. A couple? Man and woman. That's what happened, for example, with the Red "Lady" of Paviland [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red\_Lady\_of\_Paviland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lady_of_Paviland) This has an obvious problem, you won't learn when your vision of sex roles and love life in other cultures is wrong if you aren't looking for those differences. Not depending just in contextual clues for sexing skeletons allowed for a lot of our knowledge of sex roles in other societies to improve and evolve.
72 赞2020/10/1
Or today for that matter. They havent exactly come around....
33 赞2020/10/2
Gotten way worse since the 70's.
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78 赞2020/10/1
It's common for people to assume things like this are heterosexuals or that historical figures, who were same-sex, talking about their love for each other were "just friends."
60 赞2020/10/1
Just like people are still assuming that one is kissing the other, when we have no idea why their bodies are arranged this way
33 赞2020/10/1
It would be pretty unlikely they ended up like this by chance. The only real options are, they died embracing or were positioned in an embrace. No way this happens by chance with how perfect it is. The only oddity is the younger one has their left hand under their back. But I was in an accident at 18 the screwed my back up and I lay like that sometimes.
39 赞2020/10/1
Or they were dumped into this hole together and this is how they landed
38 赞2020/10/1
If gay themes were hurdles, you'd be an athletic gold medalist.
135 赞2020/10/1
> seemingly embracing at the time of death It's infinitely more likely they were posed after death.
123 赞2020/10/1
That’s not true. The entire town was razed to the ground- that’s why the site is so remarkable. The skeletons were all in the position of their death. These two were in a grain silo bin.
22 赞2020/10/1
So was the town attacked or don't we know? Were these two hiding and found? Do we have a cause of death for them? (sometimes pathologists can determine a probable cause of death from a skeleton) It says there was no evidence of healed injuries but says nothing about a cause of death.
59 赞2020/10/2
They are pretty sure they asphyxiated, they don’t know if the town was attacked but it’s likely. None of the skeletons in the town were buried, they laid where they died in 800 BCE until excavated in 1972 CE. That shows that more than likely the town was attacked, if it was just a massive fire many would have gotten out and would have probably tried to bury at least some of the dead. This town was near the Assyrians, so it might have been them that attacked. They didn’t have a written language (or none has been discovered at least), so we don’t know what language they spoke.
25 赞2020/10/1
that's what I was thinking. Unless they were sealed together in a tomb as punishment or something.
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> "From archeological evidence, researchers discovered that the city of Teppe Hasanlu was destroyed around 800 BCE by an invading army that sacked the city and burned it to the ground. "The Hasanlu Lovers were likely hiding from these invaders in the grain bin when they died of asphyxiation from the smoke emanating from the fires raging around the city."
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This isn’t from a tomb. It’s from a town that was sacked, and bodies were strewn about. The prevailing theory is that the bodies (and other artifacts found) were left untouched afterwards.
19 赞2020/10/1
Dude, why can't they be gay? Swans can be gay.
46 赞2020/10/1
While this can be hailed as this is great for the gay community, don’t forget never make claims without context. I’d hug my bro if I was about to die. Doesn’t make me gay, or from Alabama. Also no, I am not anti-gay
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Could be a parent and grown child then.
182 赞2020/10/1
And why not lovers?
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41 赞2020/10/1
Seriously, 246 bodies in this site alone - many buried in groups or pairs, the archaeologists who discovered these have probably discovered thousands of human remains. Could have just been how the dirt hit them while they were being buried.
23 赞2020/10/1
> the archaeologists who discovered these have probably discovered thousands of human remains. And therefore they are able to decide whether they fell by accident in that position or on purpose.
58 赞2020/10/1
Nah the gay back story seems more likely given the no evidence for it.
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This was my assumption also. *** Grave digger: *yeet* Archaeologist 1000 years later: These men were obviously lovers, you can tell blablablablabla
575 赞2020/10/1
What was their cause of death? We’re they embracing during a possible natural disaster killed them? Or were they buried dead in that position?
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"From archeological evidence, researchers discovered that the city of Teppe Hasanlu was destroyed around 800 BCE by an invading army that sacked the city and burned it to the ground. The Hasanlu Lovers were likely hiding from these invaders in the grain bin when they died of asphyxiation from the smoke emanating from the fires raging around the city." Source: https://allthatsinteresting.com/hasanlu-lovers
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This has me imagining that the hand on the face is actually the one in the left trying to wake up/keep concious the one on the right. If this happened during the siege maybe they didn't know each other, or were friends or workers together and they hid in a grain bin to stay safe. Or lovers like everyone thinks. The possibilities are endless. Still a hauntingly beautiful image, no matter the circumstance.
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99 赞2020/10/2
Like the two men who died because of a fire in a wind turbine. 
58 赞2020/10/2
That picture stil chills me to the bones.
19 赞2020/10/2
I just did some work on the transformer in the back of one of those. Fun climb but I might turn that job down next time after seeing this.
42 赞2020/10/2
Apparently the two in that image survived, but two other technicians died in the process. One fell/jumped and the other succumbed to the fire.
20 赞2020/10/1
Oh shoot you could be right! What a smart thought, seriously!
120 赞2020/10/1
I finally get to say this: I cannot believe I had to scroll far down to find this.
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Sorry! Glad you found it though :)
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I still don’t understand the position like this at the moment of death. Aren’t People who are asphyxiating on smoke clawing at there necks, writhing and struggling to breathe? I wouldn’t think it an imperceptible and calm way to pass- much less a moment that would make me turn to my lover for a make out session.
25 赞2020/10/2
Carbon monoxide, which is produced in fires, can knock you out pretty quickly without you experiencing many of the signs of asphyxia.
364 赞2020/10/1
Fucking skeletons have more game than me
153 赞2020/10/1
I'd wager that none of them had an interest in gamer girls' feet. May be correlated.
16 赞2020/10/1
Damn, there goes my go-to opener...
226 赞2020/10/1
Looks like a game of "Get up. No YOU get up first." went on a little too long.
58 赞2020/10/1
"I can't get up, you're lying on my arm" "Well I guess we'll stay here then."
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Some context: "From archeological evidence, researchers discovered that the city of Teppe Hasanlu was destroyed around 800 BCE by an invading army that sacked the city and burned it to the ground.The Hasanlu Lovers were likely hiding from these invaders in the grain bin when they died of asphyxiation from the smoke emanating from the fires raging around the city." Source: https://allthatsinteresting.com/hasanlu-lovers
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Also they were most probably a gay couple. The skeleton on the left was believed to be a woman at first, but turns out it’s probably male as well.
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There are way more femurs in that picture than there are skulls. Edit: There are more femurs than there SHOULD BE for only two skulls. Sorry, I didn’t state that in a more articulate manner.
19 赞2020/10/1
yes. and it should be that way
56 赞2020/10/1
There seem to be [several](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovers_of_Cluj-Napoca) of these.
26 赞2020/10/1
Something about them being on permanent exhibit makes me feel really uncomfortable
76 赞2020/10/1
I’ve never understood this. How cool would it be for someone to find your body thousands of years of now? You become real again, your death, and some aspects of your life, is told again. You are resurrected in a way.
22 赞2020/10/2
I’d be completely fine if my remains end up in a museum someday.
28 赞2020/10/1
A few years ago, I went to the Mummies of the World exhibition. It had over a hundred different human remains. Before you walked into the exhibit, you had to watch a short video that basically said, if you were disrespectful in any way, you would be immediately removed and banned. It was a very respectful display and I would recommend checking it out if you ever have the chance.
18 赞2020/10/2
Went to Herculaneum last summer. Seeing the skeletons of what is presumed to be dozens of people waiting for boats to get out of the city was devastating. That and the dog chained at Pompeii.
56 赞2020/10/1
*have I got something in my teeth?* "Doesn't look like it, but you do have a giant gaping hole in your skull babe"
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Read more about it here:
https://www.penn.museum/collections/highlights/physicalanthro/the-lovers.php Thanks for the awards!
49 赞2020/10/1
Until historians find out they are both male and the “Hasanlu lovers” becomes the “Hasanlu Best Friends”
22 赞2020/10/1
Wym? Nothing gay bout kissing your buddy. They were just probably really close friends /s
42 赞2020/10/1
Somebody is watching season two of The Boys
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Every time I see this, I can hear the one with his hand on his companion's face saying "Sshhhhh, it's ok. Look at me, it is all going to be ok. I am here with you, trust me. I love you more than this. It was all worth it."
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I would guess they posed them this way. if you died wouldn't your bones shift around from your flesh decaying
17 赞2020/10/1
Depends. You drop dead? Jup. A giant hot mass of lava and ash hits your ass with 200mph? You won‘t even have time to flinch.
24 赞2020/10/1
This was Iran, not Pompeii.
24 赞2020/10/1
I don’t know why but this photo always makes me a little sad.
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older i get, the more it blows my mind how many people have lived full lives in the history of humanity. 200,000 years....
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Are they alright?
17 赞2020/10/1
Yeah, they look fine. However, a bandaid could do.
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"I'm glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee. Here, at the end of all things."
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Could be a boss and his henchman though, and the henchman just screwed something up bad enough for the boss to grab his face. Historians may never know....
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This makes me miss my fiancée. She’s just at work right now and I’ll see her tonight, but this got me.
9 赞2020/10/1
Fellas, is it gay to die while kissing your homie goodnight?
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And here I am, crying about a couple that passed away 2800ish years ago.
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I thought someone photoshopped a bow on one of the skulls so you could tell which one is a girl before realizing that it’s just a massive hole
5 赞2020/10/2
OMG step skeleton, what are you doing???
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[It’s an interesting story.](https://allthatsinteresting.com/hasanlu-lovers) The city was apparently burned to the ground by an invading army, and there are multiple skeletons in the area. What’s interesting about these two is that while the gender of the one on the right is male, the skeleton on the left has both male and female features, although this article says the second body is likely male also. So the relationship between them is not clear: lovers? father and child? friends?
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Dude on the right must have the worst case of dead arm.