“千码凝视”(The Thousand Yard Stare)——美国海军陆战队二等兵西奥多·J·米勒(Theodore J. Miller)在埃尼威托克环礁经历激战后被搀扶上船。米勒于一个月后(1944年)阵亡。[640x505]
1944 · 27,882 赞 · 2020-09-01 · 88 条评论
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darkhelmet333,896 赞2020/9/2
These guys always looked like old men in books when I was a kid. Now he just looks like a kid to me.
我小时候看书,这帮人总是一副老头模样。现在再看,我觉得他也就是个小孩。
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He was 19 at the time of his death...
他去世的时候才19岁……
Behemoth-Slayer900 赞2020/9/2
Hey man, there was a time when 19 was an adult from most people's perspectives. I'm twenty-seven now, and the concept of all these kids going off to fight is horrifying to me. When I was their age and younger, I didn't see it in quite the same light.
Most guys that enlist today are still 18. Many even 17 if they can work it out with the legal guardians. Hell there was a navy seals who passed buds when they were 17
It’s crazy that in a lot of places you can sign up for war before you can buy a beer
真离谱,在很多地方,你还没到能买啤酒的年纪就能报名去打仗了。
wannabechrispratt_283 赞2020/9/2
In America you can sign up for war before you can buy a beer or a cigarette
在美国,你还没到能买啤酒或香烟的年纪,就能报名去打仗了。
ImOnRedditAndStuff94 赞2020/9/2
I'll do you one better. You can sign up for war before you're allowed to vote for the person sending you to war.
我再给你加码一条:你还没到法定投票年龄去选那个派你去打仗的人,就已经可以报名参军去打仗了。
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Yeah that was one of the places I was referring to haha
对啊,哈哈,这正是我提到的那些情况之一。
DG_GoldenBoy29 赞2020/9/2
What about the places that *force* conscription onto every citizen?
那那些强制全民服兵役的地方又怎么说呢?
Mortress_23 赞2020/9/2
If it was every citizen I would be fine with it, I hate it when it's only male citizens
要是所有公民都强制服役我倒也没意见,但我就烦那种只针对男性公民的规定。
DG_GoldenBoy18 赞2020/9/2
Why would you be okay with any forced draft? And why men *and* women?
你为啥会觉得任何形式的强制征兵没问题啊?而且为什么要加上女性?
bullsi34 赞2020/9/2
Not crazy, but more of incredibly stupid and insane to the point of disbelief
这倒算不上疯,纯粹是蠢到家了,简直让人无法相信。
stevil3036 赞2020/9/2
you need people to sign up who haven't figured out that it can happen to them. that comes with youth. no one (eh.. lets go with very few) would sign up knowing they would be dead inside of a year.
Only 2-3% of US soldiers died. So not good, but not like death is a certainty.
美国大兵的死亡率也就2-3%而已。确实不好,但也没到必死无疑的地步。
boyferret19 赞2020/9/2
As a older person, the way I have seen these things have evolved so much. When I was a kid I too marvel at there bravery. When I was older I thought about them fighting for their unit, or friends or what have you. Now all I can think about is the holes in their mothers and fathers hearts, and even the ones that returned, all the violence that was put in to the world. It breaks my heart now.
> When I was their age and younger, I didn't see it in quite the same light. That's why it works man. I remember being off with cadets at the black isle; I was sweet at iron targets; I could hit paper at whatever the range was we were tested at; on the simulated range I missed with every shot. That was the exact moment I decided me and the army were not going to be a good fit. Thank fuck for that little day out.
I remember in the early 2000s still being a teenager and first seeing all my older sisters friends going off to war then not long after my friends. We were all just kids not old enough to drink and buddies are coming back from ied attacks with shrapnel in their heads and bodies and brain injuries. I had a friend get blown up in a convoy and shot six times. The VA got him on morphine, oxy and Xanax with no drug counseling or supervision. He turned into such an addict. Lost his license but was 100% disabled anyways and had seizures from his tbi so he shouldn't have been driving anyways. His life was hell and I haven't had contact with him for years so I hope he's doing better. I had another friend who came home because he shot and killed a seven year old who ran towards them with a bag and didn't stop when they yelled at him to stop. However it went down he got dishonorably discharged and was rightfully seriously fucked up in the head about it. War is fucked up man. Thank God uncle Sam hates drugs so much, my juvenile cocaine charge was good enough to keep my stupid ass from signing up.
I’ve seen quite a few pics taken during the Korean War and WWII. Your comment just explained why I’ve been struck on a gut level by them. They’re all just kids man!
They still are. We had a kid not show up to work a few weeks ago. It turned out he decided to stay at home and kill himself instead. A Military Veteran, not much older than my daughter.
Makes you wonder how can old fart politians sleep at night knowing they perpetually send children off to die for money.
这真让人纳闷,那些老东西政客们,明知自己为了钱不停地把孩子们送去送死,晚上到底是怎么睡得着的。
forgtmnot2746 赞2020/9/2
Easy, they sleep on the money
简单,他们根本不把钱当回事。
InspectorPipes35 赞2020/9/2
Because they are the sons of senators and congress people, or sons of slum lords with bone spurs. They have never been there. To them, war is statistics and charts.
Came here to say the same thing. Fucking war man. Fuck.
我来这儿就是想说这一点的。这狗屁战争,真操蛋。
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Congratulations soldier you survived the claws of death. You got 2 weeks to get over it because you’re going back in!
恭喜你啊战士,你从死神爪下捡回了一条命。给你两周时间缓过劲儿来,因为你马上又要被送回去接着干了!
kennytucson453 赞2020/9/2
I just rewatched *The Pacific*, which partially follows John Basilone's exploits. Dude was awarded the Medal of Honor at Guadalcanal in the most absolute metal fucking way possible. Had a golden ticket to stay home and sell war bonds and bang actresses. Said screw it and fought and died at Iwo Jima. Crazy what these guys went through. Often willingly.
Is that the dude who fended off like 100 Japanese attackers while holding up the hot barrel of his machine gun with his bare hand?
是不是那个徒手拎着滚烫的机枪枪管,硬生生干掉了一百来个日本兵的猛男?
kennytucson202 赞2020/9/2
Yeah, same guy. The guy who gunned down so many Japanese at once, he had to leave cover to move the piles of bodies he dropped to give his buddies a more clear line of fire.
That scene where he's just mowing them down and even his buddy looks over at him like "Good christ, you've just killed so many people" fucks me up every fucking time. I just can't imagine how you would not see that image every single time you close your eyes for the rest of your life.
I’ll have to give The Pacific another try. I watched it once and was disappointed cause I loved Band of Brothers and The Pacific wasn’t exactly the same
The two theaters were very different. The tone is quite a bit heavier than BoB. Both are excellent though.
这两部剧的风格大相径庭。《太平洋战争》的基调比《兄弟连》(BoB)沉重得多。不过两部都是神作。
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svenhoek8620 赞2020/9/2
Band of Brothers is the story of Easy Company first and foremost which is why I preferred it. The Pacific felt like it was more focused on a few people and their experience in the war and at home. When people left the orbit of Easy company they were out of the show. You didn't see Bill back home dealing with missing a leg. Winters was arguably the "main" character and even he takes a backseat after his promotion. That's always been the major difference for me.
That's the thing about the Pacific theater. It was a meat grinder. Sledge served a long time. He wasn't even there at the beginning of the war though. In his book he discussed this. The book is called With The Old Breed.
He said he was awed by the veterans then slowly he became one. There weren't really units that were trained together that stayed together in the Pacific. It was too brutal.
这就是太平洋战场的残酷之处。那简直就是个绞肉机。斯莱治(Sledge)服役了很长时间,但他甚至都没赶上战争刚开始的时候。
他在书里专门谈过这点。那本书叫《老兵长存》(With The Old Breed)。
他说自己一开始对那些老兵感到敬畏,后来慢慢地,他自己也成了他们中的一员。
在太平洋战场上,确实没怎么有那种从训练开始就一直在一起、之后还能完整待下去的部队。那里的环境太惨烈了。
sinkwiththeship30 赞2020/9/2
And Generation Kill is all about the longing for violence.
而《杀戮一代》(Generation Kill)整部剧讲的其实就是对暴力的渴望。
tipadis20 赞2020/9/2
And policing them moostaches. I heard godfather hisself say you looked like a bum.
还有整顿那些胡子。我听教父本人亲口说你看起来像个流浪汉。
StatOne19 赞2020/9/2
I've met some old WWII vets years ago. Those in the Pacific theater said some of the Japanese charges were indeed just like that scene. One commented he couldn't stand the sound of a sewing machine, as the stitching sound, and intermittence of checking the sewing line/pattern reminded him of the machine gun he used 'to mow them down, row by row'.
Dehumanizing the enemy has been integral to war as long as war has existed. If soldiers see how much they have in common with the other side, they're much less likely to agree to kill them.
The “what about the boys still at the front?” motivation is a strong one, even when you’ve done your duty already. IIRC, I read somewhere that, during the Hurtgen Forest campaign in the Fall of 1945, the US Army experienced a replacement shortage. Army psychiatrists were tasked with getting as many combat fatigued soldiers back into action as soon as possible. The best method they found way to play on the soldiers’ sense of guilt at having left their buddies to continue the fight without them. Many men who had no business going back to the front lines ended right back in that meat grinder. Often it did not end well. Often this process was used multiple times with the same soldier. This may be a myth, but apparently many of those Army psychiatrists also ended up having breakdowns. Take that for what it’s worth... the vague memories of some internet guy.
people don't know how true this sentiment was among the brass in WWII my opa, a Scot, was captured at Dunkirk, spent 5 years in POW camps in Poland, escaped in 1945, and when he got back to the UK, was told he would be expected to ship out to the Pacific in a few weeks.
Poor guy. I've seen this photo a few times but never knew he died.
真可怜。这张照片我见过好几次了,但从来不知道他已经去世了。
invisiblette495 赞2020/9/2
So young. That is the face of someone just out of high school.
太年轻了。这明明就是一张刚高中毕业的脸。
Roofofcar201 赞2020/9/2
He was 19 in this photo.
他拍这张照片的时候才19岁。
invisiblette69 赞2020/9/2
2 years out of high school. Incredibly telling, and incredibly sad.
刚高中毕业两年。这信息量太大了,也真是让人唏嘘。
r0botdevil86 赞2020/9/2
>2 years out of high school Even less, probably. Nearly everyone I knew turned 18 before graduation.
>刚高中毕业两年
可能还不止两年呢。我认识的人基本毕业前就都满18了。
dvoigt41247 赞2020/9/2
My father ran away from home to join the Navy, and lied about his age as had just turned 17. He ended up being a gunners mate on the USS Nashville. Participated in the largest naval battle of all time, the battle of Leyte gulf. He was almost ripped in half, a scar from his belly button, going around to his back, several months later when a kamikaze hit his ship. 6 months in an Hawaiian Hospital , then back on the ship. He rarely ever talked about his time in WW2. I miss him
My dad joined when he was 17 he had to have his parents signature and his high school let him graduate early. If he had waited till he was 18 he would not have been able to choose which branch he could join. He joined in 1943.
Sadly, he never made it off of those strategically-insignificant clusters of coral rock. He was KIA roughly a month after the photo, on Ebon Atoll. Semper Fi, Private Miller. The world remembers you over 76 years later, with gratitude.
also did you know he was KIA about a month after this photo was taken?
还有,你知道吗?这张照片拍完大概一个月,他就阵亡了。
SnooDonuts8606336 赞2020/9/2
This is what PTSD does, you experience something so traumatic that your brain in an effort to save itself pushes almost everything out of you, even the parts that make you you and leaves what feels like a hollow shell.
However, the clinical definition of PTSD is that the symptoms continue for more than thirty days post event, hence "*POST* TRAUMATIC". Check the DSM-(whatever the current number is.) Line doggie is suffering from fatigue and shock, but it hasn't progressed to PTSD yet.
It's a technicality. Before 30 days it's just called acute stress disorder, but the exact same symptoms get a new name when they last for that 30+ day duration.
I've always struggled with affirming my own PTSD from childhood trauma vs the ptsd combat vets the world over. Like I can understand the symptoms but don't feel like I qualify by comparison. I don't know, but I've always felt heart ache for the plight of combat vets.
As someone with PTSD from combat i feel for you. It doesn't matter what it's from, it can hurt just as bad. Fuck anyone who says different. Stay strong
Trauma is trauma, doesn’t matter who it happens to.
创伤就是创伤,不管发生在谁身上都一样。
avec_serif44 赞2020/9/2
Childhood trauma can be a lot worse than wartime PTSD. With trauma experienced as an adult, at least you (ideally) have a solid foundation of personhood from which to try to deal with it. For trauma experienced as a child, particularly ongoing abuse from a caregiver, you grow up with the trauma and it can become a much deeper part of who you are.
That makes a lot of sense, it's always been an issue I've dealt with, even as an unknowing child. Thanks man.
这话太有道理了,这确实一直是我在面对的问题,甚至在我小时候懵懂无知时就是这样。谢了哥们。
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Your PTSD is just as relevant as someone's PTSD from combat. ❤
你的创伤后应激障碍(PTSD)和那些从战场上回来的人遭受的创伤是一样值得重视的。❤
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The brain can only process so much. Once, while watching an Iraqi taking out trash in the hospital (Doing the glorious job of escort duty while in Iraq) , a helicopter lands and some folks rush out with a stretcher. I would say they ran past me, but I quickly excused myself from their course and just watched. They proceeded to pick up this kid who was charred head to toe from the stretcher and put him on the hospital bed. Got to watch and his skin just fell out, and...Yeah...that was enough for me.. Walked outside to see them washing out the blood from the helicopter before taking off again. Aside from that, I saw someone get blown into dust from a missile. That was "fun". A friend of mine (in afghan - different deployment) got his face blown off after we swapped shifts...That was a tough one.. And then you got the guys that are really in the shit...Then you have folks like the guy in OP's pic. In short, its hard to really define this kind of stare. Its their, and most of us luckier folks can just not think about things. But the memories are always there...Burned into your retinas. Shit you will never forget, as it was that one time your brain just "noped" the fuck out. EDIT: I think in a few comments I mentioned the kid's village got blown up..It was their family home...whole family killed, he "survived" until he later died...shit sucks.
God that fucking sucks, survive hell and get dragged aboard only to be killed a month later doing the same shit. It’s like shark-finning but without the soup.
He and one other Marine were killed taking Ebon Atoll. From the history of the U.S. Marine Corps in World War 2:
>Once this objective was secured, the two forces parted company as planned. Shisler’s men landed at Ebon Atoll on the morning of 23 March and, on the following day, killed 17 Japanese in a vicious fight that cost the lives of two Marines. Six enemy noncombatants were taken into custody. Ebon Atoll had a population at the time of 500 or so people, is about 2 miles of land, was garrisoned by 25 or so Japanese troops and taken in a firefight that lasted 20 minutes it seems. Mind boggling that 19 people lost their lives over a speck of land in the Pacific, thousands of miles from their homes, with nothing on it of military value.
He passed a month after turning 19. Probably didn't even realize or care it was his birthday around the time this photo was taken...considering he was a Pvt. too he probably enlisted and got shipped right from boot. Until Valhalla Pvt Miller.
Growing up my dad didn’t give me a ton of advice, or maybe I just don’t remember, but I do remember him getting very serious and telling me not to ever date a guy with the thousand yard stare. I didn’t understand at the time and it wasn’t until years later that I realized what he meant. The day I learned what the 1000 yard stare looked like was also the day I recognized that my dad had terrible PTSD from serving in Vietnam and that he was all too familiar with this look.
Looks like pure shock. What those brave young guys went through.
看起来完全是处于极度震惊的状态。这些勇敢的年轻人当年到底经历了些什么啊。
BigOwll25 赞2020/9/2
Felt like he was staring into my soul, barely got to experience life, sad.
感觉他就像是在直视我的灵魂一样,还没来得及好好体验人生,真令人难过。
oh-no-godzilla16 赞2020/9/2
What gets me, and this is self evident, but what gets me is that this was it for that fellow. His one chance at this strange occurrence we call life. His only shot at marriage, a family, grandchildren, an old man's leisure and wisdom. But none was to come for him, and never will. A man of healthy mind and body, born into modern times, whose life was, what, squandered? At least shamefully unrealized. And that was his only chance.
The marines in the Pacific theater fought with a foe that would rather die than surrender. They gave no quarter, beheaded many prisoners, even ate the liver of one American. After the introduction to their atrocities, the Americans did the same. You can't blame them.
Poor kid, he deserved a break after that, not getting killed...
可怜的孩子,他经历过那种地狱后本该休息一下的,而不是丢了性命……
Rella1710 赞2020/9/2
I work with homeless vets, some never loose this stare.
我平时跟那些无家可归的退伍老兵共事,有些人那双眼睛里的神情永远也消散不去。
iamchipdouglas10 赞2020/9/2
Read “**With the Old Breed**” by EB Sledge; partially the inspiration for HBO’s *The Pacific*. One of the great war accounts of all time. You would be a teenage kid, *barely* make it out of a beach landing without dying, and they would just keep shipping you onto the next landing, and the next, and the next. For many infantry Marines, enlistment was almost certain death
去读读 E.B. Sledge 写的《老兵长存》(With the Old Breed);HBO 那部《太平洋战争》的部分灵感就来源于此。这是史上最伟大的战争实录之一。
你还是个毛头小子,刚从滩头登陆战里捡回一条命,他们就会把你源源不断地送去下一场登陆战,再下一场,没完没了。对于许多海军陆战队的步兵来说,入伍几乎等同于领了张死亡通知单。
Ourlifeisdank10 赞2020/9/2
Quite a contrast from the military propaganda we have today.
这跟我们今天看到的军事宣传简直是天差地别。
prolveg9 赞2020/9/2
can everyone boycott war? Let the politicians go fight their own damn battles.
大家能不能抵制战争啊?让那些政客自己去打他们该死的仗吧。
ThePyrotechnist9 赞2020/9/2
Let us not forget the sacrifice of this man and his brothers in arms...
让我们永远铭记这位英雄和他战友们的牺牲……
Dream_thats_a_pippin8 赞2020/9/2
Oh my god. He looks just like someone I know. Fuck wars.