It's amazing how much has changed in so few years. 1953: regular Joe blue collar worker can afford to build a house and has the know how to do so. 2020: White collar worker can't afford an apartment.
Money aside I wish I had even a fraction of the skill required to build my own house. That would be quite the project to be proud of and honestly would come out significantly cheaper than buying if you do most of the labor yourself.
get involved with habitat for humanity. you will learn a lot if you put in effort.
去参加“仁人家园”(Habitat for Humanity)的公益项目吧。只要你肯下功夫,绝对能学到不少真本事。
lazarbeems195 赞2020/6/19
Do they really have time to be teaching idiots how to do things? (I am calling myself an idiot here - I have heard this before, but thought: "How could they possibly be able to teach skills while keeping on target?"
Yes. Go on a weekday and volunteer to acquire the skills. Saturday builds are for big groups, but weekdays are GREAT for learning from retired master tradesmen who volunteer. Source: I've been a weekday volunteer for many years and have learned a ton of skills. Edit: Hey, thanks for the gold. Find your niche and volunteer. There are many great things about H4H, and many people have reservations based upon their history, but I can promise that at the local level it can be a great organization.
Wow! I wish I had known about this when I was younger and physically able to do more. I love to volunteer and love Habitat for Humanity. These days I volunteer to let my grandsons climb all over me.
God this comment is wholesome. Wish you all the best man.
天呐,这条评论也太暖心了。祝你一切顺利,兄弟。
ATXBeermaker39 赞2020/6/19
Jimmy Carter is still out there building houses in his 90s. Never too late to start! And a great opportunity to show those grandkids how to contribute.
Get the grandsons into it when they are ready. My grandfather wasn’t handy indoors, but he had a large property and we would have three generations maintaining it. Large mowers, cutting down trees, digging up stumps. Planting trees. Take a picture of planting a small maple tree for 100 bucks today and In 15 years you could be standing with them in front of a 30 foot tall shade tree. Best man-picture I have with 4 generations in it. My Father had to learn all the home DIY himself. And after learning from him and copious amounts of building codes and YouTube videos I can now build a house from scratch. “You can have more toys if you can fix them yourself” - My Father
A lot of building is really just labour. Most things are fairly easy to do. You can teach someone how to build a wall by simply letting them watch you build a wall. Running wire is mostly just drilling holes through all the studs and then physically pulling it through. Someone with basically no understanding of building can be helpful on a job site within minutes if they're actually trying to help. If you want to learn just take it one step at a time, pull some cable, build some walls, learn to tape/mud, apply siding, paint, etc... Eventually you'll have cycled through most of the jobs required to build a house. Even most plumbing/electrical is fairly easy but those would likely be one of the last things you'd learn.
I think the biggest fear, as with all new skills, is that if you are attempting it on your own you don't know what you don't know. You may be able to build a wall just fine stacking bricks with concrete, but we've all had those times when the person who knows what they are doing walks up and says "Oh my God you didn't do the most crucial step, this whole thing is gonna fall down" For me it's like cooking pasta, nobody ever taught me to cook as a kid, and as an adult I have to face it alone. I know pasta (one kind) is boiled noodles and warm fettuccine sauce, so I get a pack of noodles and a jar of sauce. I boil the noodles like how it says on the package, put the sauce in a pan, get it warm, then mix it all together. But my sauce is way too watery and and just falls to the bottom, this happens a few times until I finally discover that I have to simmer the sauce for a few minutes (and what simmer means). Obviously a house is 4 walls with a roof, floor, and electrical/plumbing inside. But if someone just went to home depot, bought a bunch of wood, and went at it with no experience they would probably not do something crucial like put insolation or something.
Yes - they have to give you instructions on what to do. That being said, in my experience, habitat is great to learn structural stuff (framing, roofing, siding) but they sometimes contract out some tasks like electrical and plumbing, so you may not get exposed to those parts.
没错——他们确实得手把手教你该干啥。
话虽如此,以我的经验来看,仁人家园(Habitat for Humanity)确实是学习结构类施工(搭龙骨、盖屋顶、装外墙板)的好地方,但他们有时会把水电之类的活儿外包出去,所以你未必有机会接触到那部分内容。
lazarbeems16 赞2020/6/19
But are the instructions like: "Go put up this piece of drywall against those studs there", or is it like "This is how we put up drywall" ?
但那些指导到底是:“去把这块干墙钉在那些龙骨上”,还是“这就是我们安装干墙的方法”那种教学?
microwavedh2o27 赞2020/6/19
They explain enough so that you can work mostly autonomously for the day, so some of the underlying engineering principles are conveyed. And there’s opportunities to ask questions too.
If you currently own a house, try fixing things yourself. I've done almost all repairs on my house myself as a way to save money and to learn. I've done plumbing, wiring, carpentry, painting and am getting close to finishing the re-roofing of the house. The only thing I'm still doubting my skills at is drywall. I do want to finish my garage though, so I have plenty of area to practice on since I'm pretty much the only person that goes into the garage.
Pre-designed houses can be purchased as a kit. \*\* Some (all) assembly required
现在市面上买得到的预制房都是套装式的。
\*\* 需要(全套)自行组装
joshbudde17 赞2020/6/19
If it makes you feel any better, my grandfather didn't have any of those skills until he was seriously injured in WWII and spent a year recovering with an Italian family who did plaster work. He spent the entire year working with them as he could until he was recovered enough to go back to the States. All it cost him was a leg, a lung, and big chunk of his intestine.
its hard, when you can't do DIY around a place you don't own, or don't have the space to have a workshop. can't build up a collection of tools moving from lease to lease. half the people I know don't own a cooking pot and can't cook basic meals that require anything beyond heating up
>half the people I know don't own a cooking pot and can't cook basic meals that require anything beyond heating up How old are you? Where do you live? I lived in a combo of food deserts, in a car, sailboat and hostels for most of my broke AF 20s. I never knew many people that didn't own a cooking pot or couldn't cook a basic meal outside of freshman year of college. This seems like learned helplessness or just choosing garbage food over health. I understand not having tools. Living on a boat provided me the opportunity to learn how to work on engines and with tools for the first time. It was a floating trailer but I learned a lot about myself in the process.
I'm a little over 35 and I've literally just begun learning how to cook because of the coronavirus. I'm proud to say I can reliably make an edible steak after 3 months of quarantine, and I can cook nearly anything my kid wants to eat, because that list is short. One thing a lot of people don't realize is *how much time* it takes to cook. We don't call it "cheap food". And we don't call it "terrible food", even though *both* statements are true. We call it "fast food" for a **reason**: the majority of people are interested in something that saves them a *lot* of time. I'm not sure that I would go back to eating out primarily, as my food quality has definitely improved a lot, but I definitely miss not having to spend 2 hours every day preparing meals. I actually have a lot of tools, but no cooking. :)
The economic history leading up to the golden Age of America's 50's is really interesting.
美国 50 年代“黄金时代”之前的经济史真的挺有意思。
bonjouratous81 赞2020/6/19
And 1950's regular Joe's family could survive on a single salary.
那会儿普通老百姓一家子靠一份薪水就能过活。
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Realistically that house in materials today is probably in the ballpark of 80K. Add in a plot of land for around 20k and you're sitting at an affordable 100k. The real cost of building is the labor which has gone up significantly as inflation has over the last 60+ years from when this was taken. With labor you're in the ballpark of 200k for the house.
Labor as well as rules and codes. Having to get licensed plumbers, electricians, proper zoning etc.
人工成本,还有各种规章制度。必须找持证水管工、电工,还要符合分区规划等等,全都要钱。
boondoggie4294 赞2020/6/19
Everyone wants people to earn a living wage, until they have to pay it.
大家都希望别人能拿上“生活工资”,直到轮到自己掏钱的时候。
MonsterMeowMeow53 赞2020/6/19
Unfortunately most people that have to "pay" for others' anti-competitive "living wages" don't really earn the equivalent "living wage" themselves to afford housing at today's prices. It really isn't a question of "willingness" but more of systemic rules/laws that have not only suppressed real wages but more significantly have caused the prices of essential utilities like housing, healthcare and education to explode. In other words, NIMBYism, fee-driven municipal/state regulations and anti-competitive licensing laws/rules have a ton more to do with the state of general real wages/income versus the "willingness" of individuals to pay them.
Plot twist: you too would earn a living wage and be able to pay the people you hire decently.
剧情反转:要是换作是你,你也就能赚个刚好够活的工资,然后付给雇来的人一份体面的报酬而已。
AgsMydude25 赞2020/6/19
The problem with all of your assumptions is the price all relative (particularly the land). Lot this size is for sale on my street right now, 60K. I live in a run of the mill suburb 30 mins from downtown.
Most working couples who are willing to live outside of a metro area and are willing to commit to learning the skills via YouTube or whatever could buy a lot and build their own house, having to pay for some stuff like the foundation. Also, that’s a <1000sq ft. house. People used to be ok with that amount of living space. What these pictures tell me is that the only thing that’s changed is what people are willing to do and accept.
They decided to stick with their catalogs instead of adapting to the internet, Sears had everything
他们非得死守着那本邮购目录,而不愿转型去拥抱互联网,要知道西尔斯当时可是啥都卖啊。
agentorgy414 赞2020/6/19
You had it all, Sears. You fucking had it dude
你本来拥有一切的,Sears。你他妈本来明明可以的,伙计。
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They had really great tools and appliances too. It’s just like they stopped trying once the new millennium came. Like JWs every time the world ends or the Knicks after their last finals appearance.
I think also a lot of people took advantage of their generous return/exchange policy/warranties. I've heard stories of people exchanging their tools for new ones every year because they had a lifetime warranty and rather than just caring for them got a new set each year. I think Patagonia or one of the outdoor companies had a similar policy and had to change it recently because people would buy used Patagonia (or whoever) clothes from thrift stores and return/exchange them for brand new clothes. This is why we can't have nice things. Sears also tanked in quality in general. I had clients in a number of their divisions a while back and they were just making such garbage.
This happens to many companies. They come in with a generous customer satisfaction policy, and people abuse it so much they have to stop it. Costco had lifetime returns on any product, so people would just swap out their TVs and computers every year for the latest tech. Now it's 90 days. LL Bean was similar if I recall correctly.
I think it's LL Bean, not Patagonia, if I recall correctly. They used to be super generous with replacement stuff, it's a shame that they stopped offering it.
Can't blame them though. By 2005 it should have been clear that the Internets impact on the economy was no greater than the fax machine.
不过这也怪不了他们。到了2005年的时候,大家本该看清楚互联网对经济的影响力并不比传真机大到哪去。
Tinfoilhatmaker52 赞2020/6/19
Should *have*
本该*这样*的。
Jonny5Five94 赞2020/6/19
Fuck me. My mom should of aborted me.
操了。
我妈当初就该把我打掉。
MisterWharf39 赞2020/6/19
No disassemble!
不许拆我!
barscarsandguitars15 赞2020/6/19
My grandfather always used to say “It’s never too late” He was a massive alcoholic though so maybe take that lightly
我爷爷以前总爱说:“什么时候都不晚。”
不过他是个重度酒鬼,所以这话你听听就算了,别太当真。
toTheNewLife22 赞2020/6/19
Yeah, once they saw Amazon move from books to their first product (was it CD's?), they should have taken notice.
可不是嘛,当年亚马逊从卖书转型到第一个新品类(好像是光盘?)的时候,他们就该警觉起来了。
kongfoozi36 赞2020/6/19
One aspect of sears being an old school company is that they had 90k retirees getting pensions still in ‘19 when they declared bankruptcy. This had been costing them billions over the years and was a contributing factor for them not being able to compete.
Yep, my grandma worked at Sears for 40+ years and collected pensions until the end. Grandpa actually got pensions from the Army, and an electrical company. By the end, they were collecting about 60k-70k a year from pensions and social security. That just doesn't exist anymore
Wait in America companies pay the pensions of their retired employees? That feels like a good way to totally kneecap companies after a few decades. Here, everyone over 65 gets a pension from the government (not a whole lot, but just about enough to live off) in addition to whatever savings and investments they have, plus you can opt into a government run pension/investment scheme
> That feels like a good way to totally kneecap companies after a few decades. the theory is the firms put aside money when they hire you, so, every year, they kick a little more in. it's like a 401K only for the workers benefit.
Also to add, they usually heavily invest the money so it can help pay for itself. For example in Ontario, Canada, the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan owned a majority of MLSE, which is the parent company for Toronto Maple Leafs, Raptors, etc. In the 10 years they owned it they gained something like $1 Billion. You'd be surprised at what Pension Plans hold around the world. Done correctly, it can pay for itself and not take any money from the Company.
I remember watching Little House on the Prairie as a kid and the characters in the show talking about ordering a doll and clothes from the Sears catalog. I had no idea at the time Sears was that old!
One traditional use for the catalog was to hang it on a wire in the outhouse; some OG toilet paper. My aunts who grew up on an old farm in Ohio with no running water were talking about that the other day.
Hudson Bay Company pretty much was our Amazon, even similarly named after a body of water.
哈德逊湾公司(Hudson Bay Company)基本就是我们的亚马逊,连名字都是以水域命名的,简直如出一辙。
Cetun36 赞2020/6/19
That's what happens when you put shareholders and executive compensation over investment in innovation. Plus I think they saw the dot com bubble and got scared. Where eBay, Amazon, and Newegg opportunity to corner their respective markets after the weaker competition didn't survive, Sears probably assumed the bubble bursting meant that internet sales were a fad and nothing would come of it. The closing of blockbuster should have been a wake up call though, by that time Sears was far behind but they had some advantages such as warehouses and stores miles from most of the US population. I think the financial crisis hit Sears hard though and probably stopped them from investing in online retail. After the recovery they were already late to the game, they survived a crisis and they had no direction so they just started paying out more dividends and secretly gutting the company to make some people rich.
The internet and online sales didn't kill Sears. Standard bricks and mortar competition did. The company has been on life-support since the mid 90's and just gets passed around investment bankers who think they can squeeze a little more money out of that rock before declaring bankruptcy and passing it down the chain.
Sears was purchased by hedge funds then cannibalized for it's assets. They had no intention of keeping the company in business . Fun fact: the CEO Eddie Lampert was a friend of Steve Mnuchin's. Investors made billions by selling separate divisions like the credit division, real estate, brands like lands end, Kenmore and craftsman.
My parents had one. It was a really well built house, deep inset windows, large front porch, and tons of built in cabinets. 4 bedrooms with a huge basement 1.5 baths. It was a cool house, it definitely wasn’t modern or open planned but it was a solid house with very little issues. They had it for 25 years, no leaks or significant issues. It didn’t have central air but the house stayed cool with windows open, except upstairs. I miss that house.
You just package up a void the same way you box everything else.
就跟包装其他东西一样,把那个空洞打包起来呗。
PuttingInTheEffort26 赞2020/6/19
A couple shovels in a box
往盒子里塞几把铲子就搞定。
EbolaPrep19 赞2020/6/19
Actually a lot of homes built in the pre 60's started out as basement homes! You dug the basement one year, put the floor down and lived in the basement until the rest of the home was built then moved upstairs. My mom lived in two basement homes as a child. One burned down after it was done being built. She lost her mom in the fire. Her mom was a preschool teacher mixing paints for class and the fumes hit the water heater.
You could ride a Allstate branded motorcycle that you bought from Sears to your house that you bought from Sears after buying an Allstate insurance policy that you bought at sears
I lived in one as a kid (90’s child). It was pretty cool. When my dad redid the bathroom and took out the medicine cabinet, there was an original “Kilroy was here” meme scribbled on the wall in pencil.
我小时候就住过这种房子(90后)。感觉挺酷的。后来我爸翻新浴室拆掉药柜时,发现墙上用铅笔写着个原始版的“基尔罗伊到此一游”(Kilroy was here)涂鸦。
Atheist_Mctoker17 赞2020/6/19
You can order a kit house from Amazon now.
现在你甚至可以直接在亚马逊上买到这种拼装房的套件了。
65alivenkickin18 赞2020/6/19
I’ve always been fascinated at how somebody could afford building their own house at that age.
我一直很纳闷,那个年代的人到底是怎么负担得起自己盖房子的。
RevJunkie22 赞2020/6/19
Lumber used to be really cheap compared to the cost / quality of today.
跟现在的价格/质量比起来,以前的木材简直便宜到爆。
PancakeZombie320 赞2020/6/19
Fun fact. Those were "illegally downloaded" alot. People would buy one and then friends or family would replicate the parts and build another one or two.
That stopped in the early '40s. That said, I talked to a guy online who was living in a Sears kit home. It was a rental and hadn't been treated gently, but he spoke highly of how solid it was.
I lived in one as a kid (early 90’s) and rode out several hurricanes (Andrew (not full strength), et al) and it didn’t get a lick of damage. Lost a few shingles and that was about it. When my dad redid the bathroom and took out then medicine cabinet we also saw the original meme: “Kilroy was here” had been scribbled on the wall. It was a pretty cool old house. It def had its quirks, but it was neat.
我小时候(90年代初)住过这种房子,还经历过好几场飓风(安德鲁飓风(当时威力没到顶峰)等等),结果房子连个屁事儿都没有。也就掉了几片屋顶瓦片,除此之外啥事没有。后来我爸翻新浴室拆掉药柜的时候,我们还在墙上看到了那个经典的梗:“Kilroy was here”(基尔罗伊到此一游)的涂鸦。这老房子真的挺酷的。它确实有些古怪的小毛病,但真的很赞。
Brack_vs_Godzilla30 赞2020/6/20
Its a Pease kit. I believe the cost of the complete kit was $4500 and the 1/2 acre lot was $500.
My granpa was like that, do anything with a triangle, saw and a hammer. Dad was the opposite, couldn't carpenter to save his life but give him a set of wrenches, guy never paid a mechanic fir anything.
I love stories like that. You look at the pictures and wonder what was their life? Their dreams? Your mom looks very happy. Did she thought at that moment what she will live in that house until she turns 90?) I created a project specifically to store such stories and try to save them for the future generation. If you interested or have such a story to save, just open my profile, there is a link.
I just took a peek at your project, and I really dig the idea! I hope it catches more traction and exposure. I think it will be a great way for people to engulf themselves in other people’s lives and potentially plant the seed of positivity and ideas into their own. Thank you!
Wow! Thank you for such kind words. I will keep working hard :) I really want it to become a community project because one man can't make the history. If the project really to survive, and go on ... then there need to be a community around it, where everyone has a chance to contribute. Subreddit to collect people's feedback? If anyone interested join . I will create a post in a few hours. (I hope I don't break any rules of this subreddit by posting a link )
Wow, 60 upvotes. Thank you. I see many of you even visited my humble project. It even helped me to find a bug with non-English browsers. Thank you, everyone!
I noticed that people of this time had slim waists. Now a days not so much...
我注意到那个年代的人腰都很细。现在嘛,可就差远了……
Musicallymedicated57 赞2020/6/20
The highest obesity rate state in 1990 had a lower obesity rate than the current lowest state today (Colorado). Absolutely massive corporations have bombarded the shelves and advertisements with processed sugar and empty calories. We constantly advertise this shit to kids. Honestly, what chance is there even? If it's legal to get children addicted to a white unhealthy powder (look at sugar's addictive capacity compared to cocaine) how do the majority of people stand any chance at lifelong health? Advertising to children in general is fucking disgusting to me, just imagine some salesman doing this shit to your kid in person. Uhhhh get away from my child, you fucking creepy greedy trash slinger. But somehow on a screen it's completely normal and isn't thought about twice. God damn the US is so pathetically bought and sold be Fortune 100 companies, profits over people every time. This disease of greed needs to be addressed, it's literally killing us.
I think this is what most people looked like back then.
我觉得那时候大多数人大概就是这个样子的。
LoudMusic75 赞2020/6/19
I think that was more common 70 years ago. People spent more time actually *doing things* rather than sitting at their computer looking at pictures of people doing things.
This reminds me of John, Uncle and Charles building the house in red dead
这让我想起约翰、查尔斯还有那个叔叔在《荒野大镖客》里盖房子的场景。
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Needs the home building music
必须得配上那首盖房子的背景音乐才对味。
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I can't believe that this is the first and only Red Dead Redemption 2 reference I've seen in this thread so far. I immediately heard the House Building theme in my head as I came to the comments.
American Dream. My gram (85) still lives in the house she and my grandfather bought in 1959. It was just built in a new neighborhood. He died in it 2 years ago.
Drinking Schlitz and handplaning endgrain, absolute legend
喝着施力茨啤酒(Schlitz),亲手刨着端面木材,简直是传奇人物。
SpaceHallow26 赞2020/6/19
I thought it was in a tree....
我还以为它是在树上呢……
no_1_2_talk_225 赞2020/6/19
Love this. Looks like the garage was an add on years later.
超爱这个。看起来这车库是多年以后才加盖上去的。
daseined21 赞2020/6/19
What does mom say about the time constructing it now?
那现在老妈对于当初盖它花掉的时间是怎么看的?
SomeAnimeGuy12320 赞2020/6/19
Whats the point of the red star? I see them on houses up here. I like to think it's a way of identifying a certain trait, like "swingers live here" or something. Edit: Now I'm more confused than ever.
I am very impressed. Eons ago my wife and I thought about building a house together. But when we tallied all the couples who had built a house and then broken up, we decided against it. We did just enough: I made doors and cabinets and didn't kill her when she kept wanting more drawers. We did most of the painting and she did not kill me over my opinions as to what the colors should be. And the house and we are still together.
I live in a house built right about the same time. We bought it after the original owners passed away. Sometimes, raising a family of my own there, I just look around an think about how their little ones were born, grew up, ran down the hallways, played in their rooms, etc, until they moved away to start their own lives. A whole family's history happened inside those walls, which sometimes gets to me. When cleaning out the garage after I first moved in, I found a small collection of dog tags from dogs that they had owned over the years. Five or six in all. It all just brings into perspective how fast time goes and that, in 18 years, my kids will likely move on to start their own lives, just the same.
My dad once caught some guys trying to steal some materials from a barn he was getting ready to build super early in the morning before the sun came up. With a gun on his hip in typical cowboy attire he catches them red handed and say that they are a little early but that they could go ahead and get started if they were so rarin to go. Worked them building the barn all day, and at the end actually paid them and asked when they would be there tomorrow. They ended up showing up for the next 3 days and got the whole thing built lol. "People that are desperate enough to resort to thievin are also the most in need of an extended hand".
That's a great family memory, I hope you will keep this for many years to come OP
这真是个很棒的家庭回忆,希望楼主能把这个故事珍藏多年。
bangfu9 赞2020/6/19
Dang. Back in the day, your mom was \*built\*.
靠。想当年,你妈那身材真是绝了。
arbitrarist28 赞2020/6/19
How long after did they add the garage and the chimney?
后来过了多久才加盖的车库和烟囱啊?
datacollect_ct7 赞2020/6/19
It's kinda lame that you can't go just build a house anywhere.
感觉有点拉胯,不能随心所欲在任何地方盖房子。
GolfballDM6 赞2020/6/19
Go mom! My grandmother, who is now 99.5, lived in the house she and my grandpa bought back in '47, until she needed a house without stairs. She moved into a nursing home late last year, and is still going strong.
Just love these photos. What a great time they must have had. Such high quality for 1953, too. Initially took these to be from late the 70s or early 80s (car in the second photo gives it away).