They'd be really useful in the United States for intra-regional travel. A flight from Orlando to Atlanta takes half a day even though flight time is short. An airship would work just as well with fewer hazardous emissions and more comfort.
> and more comfort Would it though? Yes the original zeppelins had cabins and lounges and a restaurant etc, but that was in the 1930s. Old airplanes were also much more comfortable space wise than today's. A modern zeppelin company would cram as much people as possible to maximize profits and thus cabins would have the same layout as airplane ones, you'd just be stuck in there longer.
> Yes the original zeppelins had cabins and lounges and a restaurant etc, but that was in the 1930s. Old airplanes were also much more comfortable space wise than today's. I remember watching iirc an old Columbo episode from like the 1970s and being gobsmacked that planes used to have multiple stories, cocktail lounges, and freaking electric pianos for people to play.
To be fair, it wasn’t just the lounge that was smoking.
平心而论,当时不止休息室里烟雾缭绕。
benjaminovich32 赞11 天前
All that very much still exists. It's just that air travel became more accessible over time, and thus less exclusive. Even the cheapest ticket back then was more expensive than business-class today
They would have to make it more attractive than a plane.
他们得把(火车/其他交通工具)搞得比飞机更有吸引力才行。
-malcolm-tucker80 赞11 天前
Paint nipples on the front? Turn them into giant boobs?
在前面画上乳头?把它改成一对巨乳?
_bobby_cz_newmark_23 赞11 天前
Nah, just draw the ol' fighter jet eyes-and-teeth-grin on it.
不,直接画上那种经典的战斗机眼睛和咧嘴笑的涂装就行。
Theron320618 赞11 天前
How? You would still have to spend 3 hours going through security and the trip would take 5x as long and get cancelled all the time due to bad weather. There are a number of extremely good reasons why blimps disappeared as soon as larger fixed wing aircraft became viable.
Hear me out though. Trains. You can make them super comfortable, carry large amounts of people, and if you elevate the track it won’t need to slow down for car crossings. Also probably safer …
Way up high in the sky, but the wind won’t blow, you really shouldn’t go, it only goes to show..
在云霄高处,但风儿不会吹,你真的不该去,这一切只说明了……
HotTubMike27 赞11 天前
Yea, it's pretty cool to imagine taking a Zeppelin from Europe to the United States or Brazil or wherever in the 1920s or 1930s. Obviously, some voyages ended in tragedy but most didn't.. was probably awesome as long as you weren't on one of those unfortunate ones.
Its cool to imagine but the reality is they were extremely limited in how much they could carry, so much so that most passengers would be lucky if they could bring a change of clothes. There was also no running water and the bathrooms empties into the sky (saves weight not having water tanks). Youre thinking modern camper van in the sky, but its more accurate to thinking of them like a flying sailboat from the 17th century. Completely at the mercy of the elements, limited in carrying capacity and distribution, and stinking to high heaven on any real length of journey (although the smoking room mightve masked the stank somewhat)
It’s amazing they kept the park amongst all the prime real estate
真绝了,居然能在这么多黄金地段里保留出这么大个公园。
ComprehensiveSoft27758 赞11 天前
Once the rich people surrounded it, it was safe.
等有钱人搬到周围把它围起来,这地方自然就安稳了。
unfortunatebag628 赞11 天前
Reddit moment. There were no rich people surrounding the park when the land was set aside in the 1850s. It was a rocky uneven swamp and it was considered shit land. By 1900 it was already protected and well developed into a park and the rich people followed.
It was also explicitly intended to be public to compete with European cities. Other parks like Gramercy were only for residents (rich people), and Gramercy in particular remains private. There's plenty of good reasons to criticize the economic reality of Central Park (the destruction of Seneca Village, for instance). But "Central Park only exists because rich people lived around it" is not just bad history, it's like... Anti history. Like the exact opposite of what occurred. True brain rot.
And our species is so good at finding every single one of them!
而我们人类呢,偏偏又特别擅长把每一种错误都给犯个遍!
shrockitlikeitshot69 赞11 天前
Reddit right-wing revisionist history counter-moment conveniently leaving out the most important parts... In the 1850s, wealthy elites, William Cullen Bryant (editor of the Evening Post) and Andrew Jackson Downing (a famous landscape architect) spent years writing editorials, pressuring the city to set aside that specific "useless" acreage to create a world-class park that would mirror European high society and provide them a private escape from the crowded downtown.
By 1900, the transformation was complete. After decades of massive construction, the elite moved their mansions to the park's edges, successfully turning a rocky swamp into a gold mine. The city used eminent domain and pushed out Black Americans from Seneca Village, along with Irish immigrants, German immigrants, and poor laborers (under compensating them during the process).
Again, right-wing revisionists history conveniently leaving out the human aspect and context of that time (massive racism and discrimination). It's like saying the heart is only 0.5% of your body weight so it doesn't matter if you remove it. For those Black New Yorkers in 1853, Seneca Village wasn't just 5 acres of land that they were losing, it was one of the only places they could own property and legally vote. The small size didn't make the displacement any less of a targeted strike on their political and economic independence. In 1821, NY state law required Black men to own at least $250 in property to vote (a requirement white men didn't face). Owning a home in Seneca Village was a literal "voter registration card." Of the 100 Black voters in all of New York City in 1847, 10% lived in Seneca Village.
No, it's more like saying "this guys body got crushed" when in reality he only broke his pinky toe. You made it sound like the 5 acres of land that is seneca village is representative of the 843 acres of land now makes up the park - the vast majority of which was Dutch, French, and English Owned. Edit: Also... 10 voters in a city with +60,000 eligible voters. LOL Even bigger lol, less than 10% of the 1,600 people displaced to build central park were black.
They didn’t „keep it“ as though it’s the remnant of undeveloped land. They wiped out a neighborhood of Black landowners called [Seneca Village](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seneca_Village) to create it.
Link says Seneca Village was 82nd to 89th, one avenue wide (7 city blocks) out of the total 59th to 110th, 5th Ave to 8th (153 city blocks) that were displaced for Central Park. So who was living on the other 146 blocks? The link also explicitly says that Seneca Village itself was inhabited by Irish and German immigrants. What the link does not share is that both Weeksville (now Crown Heights) Brooklyn and Newtown (now Elmhurst) Queens were larger black communities than Seneca Village, so if the goal was targeted racial displacement it would have been built in Brooklyn or Queen, not Manhattan. As always, Americans turn a class struggle into a much more myopic racial one, because the latter conveniently allows us to avoid recognition of how you get exploited by the rich whether that rich is Bezos or Jay-Z and how your material conditions stay the same whether that politician looks like you or not.
Directly from the link: >Seneca Village was a 19th-century settlement of mostly African American landowners in the borough of Manhattan in New York City, within what would become present-day Central Park. > Land ownership among Black residents was much higher than that in the city as a whole: more than half owned property in 1850, five times the property ownership rate of all New York City residents at the time. Many of Seneca Village's Black residents were landowners and relatively economically secure compared to their downtown counterparts in the Little Africa neighborhood by Greenwich Village. You’re calling it a class struggle, but it was explicitly economically secure Black Americans that were displaced through eminent domain. At this time, Irish Americans also faced racial discrimination. >Park advocates and the press began to describe Seneca Village and other communities in this area as "shantytowns" and the residents there as "squatters" and "vagabonds and scoundrels"; the Irish and Black residents were often described as "wretched" and "debased". It’s disingenuous to imply that race did not play a part in the selection of this tract of land specifically. Edit: And to your counting of the city blocks, saying that Seneca Village was wiped out to create Central Park doesn’t mean that it comprised the entirety of the land that would become Central Park. >Elsewhere in Central Park, the impact of eviction was less intense. Some residents, such as foundry owner Edward Snowden, simply relocated elsewhere. Squatters and hog farmers were the most affected by Central Park's construction, as they were never compensated for their evictions. Racism is part of American history and we can’t ignore it.
Office space removing residential buildings + westward expansion of the time
办公区拆除居民楼,加上城市不断向西扩张。
rrp0022028 赞11 天前
Families cramming 10-20 people inside an apartment unit.
一套公寓里硬是挤进了10到20号人。
Lost_And_NotFound22 赞11 天前
It’s above the population from before the rapid unsustainable growth.
这人口密度早就超过了那波疯狂且不可持续的增长前水平了。
New-Hearing-86227 赞11 天前
I had so much fun with this fact I went crazy, for sure
这事实简直太好玩了,我看了直接原地发疯,真的。
smallprojectx127 赞11 天前
And Brooklyn was the 3rd (maybe 4th) largest city in America before it was consolidated into NYC
还有,布鲁克林在被并入纽约市之前,曾是全美第三(也许是第四)大城市。
Cocus59 赞11 天前
Still is! would be the 3rd largest city in America if you separated the boroughs
现在也还是啊!要是把那几个区单独拎出来算,它绝对是全美第三大城市。
Wooden-Teaching-834331 赞11 天前
Lower east side tenements did a lot of heavy lifting
下东区的廉租公寓当年确实承担了大部分的人口重担。
CarpeNivem15 赞11 天前
That's fascinating. How are there now fewer people in taller buildings? Is it because the modern buildings are primarily office space, and these smaller buildings were residences?
Many East Coast cities are like this! Boston had a population of 780,000 in 1930, today 650,000. Philadelphia had a population of 2 million in 1930, today its 1.5. There's a myth that American cities were built for cars. It's not true. They were bulldozed for them.
More realistically, cars allowed for suburbanization so the population moved out of the city limits.
说得更实在点,汽车的普及助推了郊区化,所以人口都往城市边界外头搬了。
r23w398 赞11 天前
Amazing that Empire State was probably seen from most streets
真是绝了,当时从大多数街道上居然都能看到帝国大厦。
Idiotard_99196 赞11 天前
That’s wild to think about. Or how you might be able to see the Statue of Liberty from a rooftop in Harlem
细想一下真是离谱。或者说,你以前竟然能从哈莱姆区的一处屋顶看到自由女神像。
HomelessKitchenCat114 赞11 天前
That must have been one of the most futuristic feelings a person could get in world history. Seeing something like that appear in a span of years with nothing else really comparable would be shocking. Okay well the Chrysler was actually there too at that time but you know what i mean.
The picture totally hids where most skyscrapers are.
这张照片完全把大部分摩天大楼的位置给遮住了。
notbob195981 赞11 天前
Yup and the ones you can see are barely visible: Date is definitely 1931 since the Empire State building is there but not 70 Pine Street. Wikipedia has a shot of Lower Manhattan that was also taken in 1931:
I absolutely love the second photo. Honestly one of the most beautiful cityscapes I've ever seen.
我简直太爱第二张照片了。讲真,这绝对是我见过最美的城市景观之一。
kisk2226 赞11 天前
I’m of the belief that US cities peaked in the 1930s/40s before urban renewal policies got a hold of them. I think they’re going to need another 100 years to density further to even get back to where they were then. It’s just parking lots and freeways now a days.
Why does it look like there are no intersecting streets
为什么看起来好像完全没有交叉路口?
zwygb132 赞11 天前
In manhattan, the avenues (north-south-ish) are wide and major, while the streets (east-west-ish) are mostly small and residential. You can see the streets if you look closely between the row houses.
Yeah, if you zoom in and look closely at several of the major avenues, you can see where the intersections are.
没错,如果你放大仔细看几条主干道,就能看出路口在哪了。
krattalak43 赞11 天前
the viewing angle allows buildings to block the view of the streets running horizontally in the image.
这个视角导致建筑把横向的街道给挡住了。
ComprehensiveSoft2716 赞11 天前
They didn’t build cross streets until 1938. You had to take trolley 6 miles to go “around the block”.
他们直到1938年才修了横向的交叉路口。那时候你要想“绕个街区”,得坐电车跑上6英里才行。
CriticalCucumber610372 赞11 天前
Those rapids in the East River?
东河里那些急流吗?
jfctara59 赞11 天前
it looks like ice. based on the trees in central park, the photo was taken in the wintertime.
那看起来像冰。从中央公园的树来看,这张照片是冬天拍的。
dick_me_daddy_oWo42 赞11 天前
Today most aerial photos are timed for reduced leaf cover. Winter is easy, if there's no snow, but there's a window in early spring where the grass is green but trees aren't leafing that is preferred. As that window moves north up thru the USA every spring there's a flurry of activity as the aerial imagery companies follow the seasons changing.
My Sim City before I rezone everything to high density and add a bunch of trees.
我把所有地块都重划为高密度区、又种上一堆树之前的模拟城市(Sim City)。
LiteralPhilosopher28 赞11 天前
My mother's in this picture somewhere! She lived on 80th and West Side at this time (and was three or four years old, depending on the exact date).
我妈在这照片里的某个地方!当时她住在西区的80号大街(具体得看是哪年,那时候她才三四岁)。
DarkIllusionsMasks22 赞11 天前
The book Time and Again is a really fascinating story comparing (via time travel) late 19th century and late 20th century Manhattan. Tons of historical research for accuracy, down to street names and addresses, interwoven with actual historical events and people.
《时空游踪》(Time and Again)这本书讲的故事真的太迷人了,它通过时空穿越,对比了19世纪末和20世纪末的曼哈顿。书里做了大量的历史考据,连街道名称和具体地址都力求精准,并把真实的历史事件和人物交织在情节里。
GoodLuckBart21 赞11 天前
Love this photo! Curious about the large cylindrical structures — I’m guessing the set in the foreground is around 110th St and 1st Ave, and the second is further south on the same avenue. And what’s the pretty park-like area just east of the cylinders?
A high res version of this picture would be awesome
要是能有张这张照片的高清版就太棒了。
sparrerv13 赞11 天前
and it was denser and more populated than it is now thanks to tenements
而且多亏了那些廉租房,那时候的居住密度和人口可比现在大多了。
philmp13 赞11 天前
As a picture of "Manhattan before most skyscrapers," this photo is misleading. At first I thought that the foreground was Midtown, but it's actually Harlem. The areas with the skyscrapers are way in the back and hazy, but they're clearly there. The Empire State Building comes off a lot smaller than it really is (even by modern standards it's huge!). The buildings clustered around Central Park in this photo are 10-30 stories tall.
There’s nothing misleading about it. Anyone who knows the general shape of Manhattan and where Central Park is understands that the foreground is Harlem. Harlem is northern Manhattan. The photo had to be taken from quite high up to get the entirety of the island in from Harlem south. Not sure what confused you. Anyone from New York or with a passing familiarity with Manhattan can grasp this photo easily.
Robert Moses was a blessing and a curse for New York.
罗伯特·摩西(Robert Moses)对纽约来说,既是恩赐,也是灾难。
Initial_Hedgehog_63111 赞11 天前
The first NY skyscraper was the Tower Building, finished in 1889. What's interesting is that the increase in building height hasn't lead to a corresponding increase in population. Manhattan's population in 1890 was around 1.44 million. Today it's around 1.7 million. You'd think sky scrapers would have allowed for more growth. A population increase of 250,000 people over 135 years is pretty negligible. That being said the quality of housing has probably increased. People aren't dying in massive fires that often, so there is that.
It still fascinates me that city planners had the foresight and support to leave such a large tract of land unbuilt for central park. I come from a country where every bit of land is an opportunity to build.
Always fascinating to see glimpses of the old world.
看到老世界的片段,总是那么引人入胜。
__dying__8 赞11 天前
Where did all the sewage go back then?
那时候的下水道污水都去哪儿了?
im_on_the_case18 赞11 天前
Straight and untreated into the East river, Hudson river and Harbor. However just a few years later the Ward island waste plant would go into operation. Then over the course of the next 50 years the infrastructure increased until 1986 when all of Manhattan's sewage had finally moved to being treated\* \*Except of course during heavy rains when it still overflows into the waterways because it's a combined drainage system.
What’s fascinating is that the Manhattan in this photo has a higher population density than Manhattan of today. Office buildings erase entire city blocks of housing, and often times replace a block of businesses with elaborate lobby space. When you consider the office buildings and skyscrapers build shortly after this photo was taken replace crammed tenement buildings, the effect was exacerbated.