沃纳·冯·布劳恩在NASA办公室，身后是他设计的各种火箭模型 (1965)
沃纳·冯·布劳恩，纳粹德国V-2火箭的设计者，战后被带到美国，成为NASA火箭项目的核心人物。照片摄于1965年他的NASA办公室。
评论 (52)
WASP_Apologist1,178 赞24 天前
“He aimed for the stars…and often hit London”
“他志在星辰……却总打中伦敦。”
ActurusMajoris418 赞25 天前
“Once ze rockets go up, who cares where zey go down.” “That’s not my department”, says Wernher Von Braun.
“火箭升空之后，谁管它掉哪儿去。”
Carl_Slimmons_jr67 赞23 天前
Tom Lehrer reference in 2026? Humanity has hope
2026年了还有人玩汤姆·莱勒的梗？人类还有救。
EggfooDC29 赞25 天前
Tom just passed away last year :(
汤姆去年刚去世 :(
WannabeTelemarkSkier22 赞25 天前
I can’t upvote that. 😕
这种评论我可没法点赞。😕
Aggressive-Let728551 赞24 天前
How many Londoners did your V2s kill Wernher?
你的 V2 导弹到底害死了多少伦敦人啊，沃纳（Wernher）？
Bruce-789258 赞23 天前
Less than the number of people who died during the production of V2s.
死在 V2 生产线上的苦力可比那多多了。
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Away_Investigator35119 赞25 天前
What's the deal with him? Do people think he worked with the Nazi's just as it was the only way to do what he did or was he a genuine pro-Nazi? Genuinely just curious! I'm British, so.. not an immediate fan of Mr. V2.
这人到底什么情况？大家是觉得他跟纳粹合作只是为了实现科研抱负，还是说他打心底里就是个铁杆纳粹？
Inevitable-Regret41121 赞25 天前
He does appear to have a model V2 in his office in this photo (second from left), I don't think he's feeling that ashamed of his work.
这张照片里他的办公室里甚至摆着个 V2 模型（左二），我看他一点也没觉得自己的作品有什么好羞愧的。
c0rruptreality-40 赞25 天前
He would hang his slowest workers to send a message
他以前为了杀鸡儆猴，还会把干活最慢的工人给绞死。
gadget85019 赞25 天前
If you are referring to the January 1945 incident, that was ordered by the SS who were in charge of the Mittelwerk then, and the prisoners were accused of sabotage.
如果你是指 1945 年 1 月那次事件，那是当时负责米特尔工厂（Mittelwerk）的党卫军下的令，那些囚犯被指控进行了破坏活动。
JaysReddit3316 赞25 天前
Von Braun was in the SS though
可冯·布劳恩确实是党卫军成员啊。
azaghal150215 赞23 天前
I think he didn't care about trivial stuff like ethics or politics as long as he could make rockets.
我觉得只要能造火箭，他根本不在乎伦理道德或政治立场这些“细枝末节”。
310 赞24 天前
Was about to say he’s missing the V2 but it’s the second one from the left if I’m not mistaken
本来想说他怎么没提 V2 火箭，如果我没看错的话，左起第二个就是。
219 赞24 天前
Indeed. He never hid it. Walt Disney even introduced him as the V2 designer when he appeared on his tv show in the 1950's.
确实。他从来没藏着掖着。50 年代他上华特·迪士尼的电视节目时，迪士尼甚至直接介绍他是 V2 火箭的设计师。
133 赞24 天前
Call him a nazi he won’t even frown. Nazi shmazi says Werher Von Braun
你管他叫纳粹，他连眉头都不会皱一下。冯·布劳恩大概会说：“纳粹又不纳粹的，无所谓啦。”
18 赞24 天前
Is there a recording of this online? I'd love to see it.
网上有这段录像吗？我好想看看。
226 赞24 天前
Amazing. What did he do before nasa?
太牛了。他在进 NASA 之前是干嘛的？
225 赞23 天前
I think he worked with some political leader in Europe, and he used his work to try and achieve objectives for said leader.
我想他当时是在欧洲给某位政治领袖干活，利用他的研究成果去帮那位领袖实现目标吧。
53 赞24 天前
I don't think he actually did that. The V-2 was a massive waste and a drain on resources, it killed a lot more slaves building it than it killed people in Britain, and it was so inaccurate it was useless as a weapon. At the same time, in the bloodbowl of Nazi internal politics, he was doing his honest best to fuck over all the other liquid rocketry programs, including the AA missiles that would have been about infinity times more useful for the Nazis than a shitty terror bombing rocket. von Braun didn't work to advance anyone's aims but himself, and so far as he got to build rockets, he genuinely didn't care who he fucked over, whether that was the slaves building his rockets, the Nazi state, his friends and colleagues in Germany, or whoever else got in his way. As far as I can tell, he was a complete amoral sociopath.
我不觉得他真干了那事儿。
V-2火箭简直就是极大的浪费，纯粹是在耗费资源。它在建造过程中害死的奴隶工，远比它在英国炸死的人多得多；而且这玩意儿准头烂得要命，根本没法当武器用。与此同时，在纳粹内部那种为了权力斗得你死我活的“血腥碗”里，他还在那儿费尽心机地去搞垮其他所有的液体火箭项目，其中就包括对纳粹而言比这种烂大街的恐怖轰炸火箭管用一万倍的防空导弹。
冯·布劳恩根本不是为了实现谁的目标而工作，他眼里只有他自己。只要能造他的火箭，他才不在乎会坑害谁，不管是造火箭的奴隶工、纳粹政权、他在德国的朋友和同事，还是任何挡他路的人。依我看，他就是一个彻头彻尾、毫无道德感的反社会人格。
33 赞23 天前
My grandfather met him working in the space program and said he was a massive prick. Vain to the point that if ypu made improvements to any of his work that he wasn't involved in he took it as an attack and came for you.
我爷爷当年在航天项目工作时见过他，说这人就是个彻头彻尾的混球。自恋到什么程度呢，你要是改动了他参与之外的任何设计，他都觉得你在针对他，然后找你麻烦。
48 赞25 天前
Just some rocketry in Europe… just ask London
不过是在欧洲搞点火箭试验罢了……问问伦敦人怎么看就知道了。
24 赞24 天前
He worked for an Austrian painter.
他当年可是给那个奥地利画家打工的。
18 赞24 天前
He was in the SS and worked to death over 20,000 Jewish laborers to build Vengeance rockets to drop on the UK.
他可是党卫队成员，为了造出扔向英国的“复仇火箭”，他活活累死了两万多名犹太劳工。
17 赞24 天前
As one typically does in their early career.
毕竟谁职业生涯初期还没干过这种事呢。
116 赞23 天前
“Once the rockets are up, who cares where they comedown?? That is not my department!” -Tom Lehrer’s Satirical Song 1965 Full Quote: "Don't say that he's hypocritical / Say rather that he's apolitical / 'Vonce ze rockets are up, who cares vere zhey come down? / Zhat's not my department,' says Wernher von Braun".
“火箭一上天，谁管它掉哪儿？那可不是我负责的部门！”
——汤姆·莱勒（Tom Lehrer）1965年的讽刺歌曲
完整引用：
“别说他虚伪 / 倒不如说他没立场 / ‘火箭一上天，谁管它掉哪儿？/ 那不是我负责的部门，’ 冯·布劳恩如是说。”
26 赞24 天前
73 赞25 天前
Did they hollow out a hole in the ceiling for his biggest rocket? Instead of getting a shorter table?
他们该不会是为了放他那枚最大的火箭，专门在天花板上凿了个洞吧？
16 赞23 天前
Noticed that too. But also that bookshelf lines up perfectly with his desk and we don’t want to ruin that do we.
我也注意到了。而且那书架和他的办公桌高度还对得严丝合缝，我们总不能破坏了这种强迫症审美吧，是吧。
73 赞24 天前
I have much to say about Von Braun, but Kubrick already did so it is easier.44 赞24 天前
The development of the V2 was bad enough, but the real horror were the conditions of the slave labourers who were forced to work on them
V2火箭的研发本身就已经够烂的了，但真正恐怖的是那些被强迫参与制造的奴隶劳工所处的非人环境。
28 赞24 天前
More people actually died making them then in their use. About 12,000 vs 9,000.
实际上，死在制造过程中的人比死在火箭轰炸下的人还要多。大约是1.2万比9千。
32 赞25 天前
“Oops I dropped my paper clip “
“哎呀，我不小心把曲别针弄掉了。”（注：影射回形针行动 Operation Paperclip）
19 赞23 天前
Man that was one smart Nazi.
天呐，这纳粹可真是聪明到家了。
18 赞23 天前
i'm jealous his models are neater than my bank statements
我嫉妒了，他做的模型竟然比我的银行对账单还要整洁。
14 赞24 天前
Do we blame HIM? Or do we blame the country/agency that hired and protected him knowing what he was in order to make sure they got the knowledge? Or do we blame them both? Russia got their share of the nazist with knowledge. Pragmatism is sometimes a calculation of cost and sacrifice of what is ”right”.
我们该怪他吗？还是该怪那些明知他底细却为了获取技术而聘用并保护他的国家或机构？又或者两者都该怪？俄罗斯也从纳粹科学家那儿捞了不少好处。有时候，实用主义就是权衡利弊，把“正义”抛在一边。
13 赞24 天前
Is that a giant TV behind him?
他身后那个是个巨型电视吗？
10 赞24 天前
Von Braun was a nasty but very clever piece of work.
冯·布劳恩这家伙，虽然人品恶劣，但确实是个天才。
9 赞24 天前
Just because you played for the rival team, doesn’t mean you hide your mvp trophies
就算你之前效力于敌方阵营，也没理由把你的MVP奖杯藏起来啊。
9 赞24 天前
That hole in the ceiling for the last one is some flex for sure.
最后一个镜头里天花板上的那个洞，绝对是在装逼。
8 赞25 天前
It's not exactly brain surgery edit: It's a reference to a sketch on That Mitchell & Webb Look - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I)
这又不是什么高精尖的脑外科手术。
编辑：这是在玩《米切尔和韦伯》喜剧短剧里的梗—— [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I)
8 赞24 天前
Annie Jacobson wrote a great book recently about the operation to bring Nazi scientists to the US after the war. It’s called Operation Paperclip. But yeah, this guy 100% qualifies as a Nazi-bitch.
安妮·雅各布森最近写了本好书，讲的是二战后把纳粹科学家弄到美国的那场行动，叫《回形针行动》。不过话说回来，这家伙百分之百就是个纳粹走狗。
7 赞25 天前
Nazi
纳粹。
6 赞24 天前
I never imagined him looking like such a smug fucking nazi.
我从来没想过他长了一副这么讨人厌的纳粹嘴脸。
5 赞25 天前
He was a Nazi.
他就是个纳粹。
5 赞25 天前
Oh look, a nazi
哟，瞧瞧，是个纳粹。
5 赞24 天前
I attended a funeral at a relatively small cemetery in Alexandria, VA and stumbled across his grave a few months ago. I was surprised it was A) there and B) was pretty modest.我几个月前在弗吉尼亚州亚历山大市的一处小墓园参加葬礼，无意中发现了他的墓。让我挺惊讶的是，A) 他居然埋在这儿，B) 墓碑还挺简朴的。
4 赞25 天前
Sub Note: Just 20 years earlier a small group of survivors of the Nordhausen concentration camp underground V2 Rocket Factory, seen after US Army liberation. Von Braun was well aware of the many thousands that slowly perished after being forced as slaves to enable his dreams... as were the top US political figures. 
备注：就在这事儿的20年前，诺德豪森集中营（V2火箭地下工厂）的一小撮幸存者被美军解放时，留下了这幅照片。冯·布劳恩对成千上万被强征为奴隶、最终在绝望中死去的劳工心知肚明，他为了实现自己的梦想根本不在乎这些……当时美国的高层政客们对此也同样心知肚明。
3 赞24 天前
Ven ze rockets go up, who cares ver zey kome down.. det'z not my department, said Wehrner von Braun
“当火箭升空时，谁在乎它们会落在哪儿……那是我的部门管不着的，” 韦纳·冯·布劳恩如是说。
3 赞24 天前
“I see your Saturn V is as big as mine”
“看来你的土星五号跟我的一样大嘛。”