Obvious issues with how these people are depicted aside… This is a plot point in one of the Hitchhiker’s Guide books - Arthur Dent ends up marooned on a distant planet and realizes the only unique and useful skill he has is making sandwiches. Everything else is just technology he knows about but can’t explain or recreate.
But the local Sandwichmaker is an important role in their society.
但在当地社会里,“三明治制作师”可是个重要的职位。
Badgerfest149 赞2026/4/16
That whole passage inspires the way I make sandwiches to this day.
那整段文字直到今天还在影响着我做三明治的方式。
Vertual15 赞2026/4/16
Perfectly normal.
完全正常。
Fossilhund15 赞2026/4/16
sammich
bothering93 赞2026/4/16
I always liked the idea of some historical/fantastical movie just having a side/background characrer thats clearly someone whose been moored out of time He adjusted to past life but he still tells his friends at the pub stories about the internet or is teaching a guitar player the chord progression to Boa’s Duvet
This is also a theme in Twain’s ‘A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court’.
这也是马克·吐温小说《亚瑟王朝廷上的康涅狄格州美国人》里的一个主题。
yzdaskullmonkey44 赞2026/4/16
Ya but he actually knows how things work, iirc he even gets them generating and distributing electricity
是啊,但他确实懂这些玩意儿是怎么运作的,如果我没记错的话,他甚至搞定了发电和配电。
Wooden_Permit323422 赞2026/4/16
You recall correctly about the electricity. Also that book fucking rules.
关于电力那块你没记错。
另外,那本书简直牛逼透了。
Randolpho36 赞2026/4/16
Even before that least-good H2G2 book, Dent was stranded in the distant past and learned that the human race is made up of people who were so useless that the more productive rest of society made up a story about how their world was doomed, shipped them all off in a great ark, like a third of the population, and used an automated system programmed to crash (but safely) land on earth and thoroughly destroy the ship so there would be no way home. Arthur was so desperate to make sure they were not the the progenitors of his race that he tried to teach Scrabble to the local neanderthal population, who were native to earth and whom he called cavemen even though they didn’t live in caves, in the desperate belief that that would somehow make them smart
Love the detail about their home planet getting wiped out by a plague from a disease passed on by telephones, after deporting all the telephone sanitizers
It’s like, “aside from the BLATANTLY racist portrayal, the point is more or less a solid one”
就好比在说:“撇开这种赤裸裸的种族歧视刻画不谈,其核心观点大体上还是站得住脚的。”
blageur588 赞2026/4/16
The crazy part of this is that the "artist's" intent is actually to dunk on the white guy.
最离谱的地方在于,这位“艺术家”的本意其实是在嘲讽那个白人。
sithlord98435 赞2026/4/16
I think that makes a good point about how ingrained racism was (is?) in our society. Even a statement with a fairly progressive central message for the time is soaked in racist themes, because that's just how a lot of people saw (see?) the world around them in the most basic sense.
I found this vintage children's book once called something like "how children around the world get to school." It talked about Americans taking a bus, Dutch children walking in wooden shoes, Arab children riding on camels, etc. The illustrations were not flattering at all for anyone dark skinned and the explanations of how the children got to school was usually wrong (I don't remember each mode of transport. Those three are the ones I remember.) But the end of the book was about how every child around the world is just like you. They play, they do chores, they eat breakfast, and they get to school somehow. Basically how each one is a child of God and the reader needs to remember that when meeting children who look and talk differently than them. What a beautifully progressive message but very questionable execution.
People are complex and equality is rarely a binary Yes/No issue. There were plenty of American abolitionists who absolutely believed that European peoples were superior but opposed slavery from some other moral perspective.
I immigrated to USA from Tokyo in 1988 as a kid. I experienced something similar with a textbook that taught kids about how people live around the world. I think the point was to teach kids to celebrate diversity. The textbook depicted Tokyo with skyscrapers all topped with Chinese-esque pagoda rooves and roads full of rickshaw traffic manned by people with slit eyes with skin that’s straight process yellow 50% (as in CMYK yellow at 50%.) That same lesson had illustrations of kids, about 8 white kids with different features such as different hair colors, wearing glasses, boys, girls, long hair, short hair, etc. and one illustration of a generic black boy and one Asian girl with slit eyes and again with straight process yellow 50% skin. The exercise was to go around the classroom and ask kids who looked like the pictures to write their names under the portraits. The whole entire class made a huge line at my desk, saying that I looked exactly like the picture of the Asian girl (I didn’t.) I hated that exercise. Edit: grammar
Your post made me recoil and blink a few times, reread it, and then repeat the process in disbelief. What an awful experience. I appreciate how vividly you recalled the memory, from the wacky architecture to the saturated CMYK ink used to depict people like yourself. How utterly alienating :-(
This is what tvtropes would call "fair for it's day."
这就是电视套路百科(tvtropes)所说的“以当时的标准来看还算合理”。
Toomanyeastereggs17 赞2026/4/16
Looking at the past through modern eyes is fraught with issues. Someone in a hundred years will look back at us and say the same things that we say about the folks who lived a hundred years before us. It’s all relative.
Pretty sure the people who were depicted in racist ways didn’t need modern eyes to see the issues during the time it happened. We can’t keep making it seem like these things were so long ago and so much has changed now. 100 years ago wasn’t that long ago considering my grandmother is 95. She has lived through Jim Crow, WWII, the Civil Rights Movement, Vietnam protests, Watergate, Reagonomics, the AIDS epidemic, the crack epidemic, the Iraq War, 9/11, the Covid pandemic, and this new war our current US president has started. And she is of sound mind, no dementia, so she remembers it all. And 5 years before she was born, this cartoon was made. Only one generation experienced all of that. Until we agree that it has to stop and to not excuse the past but to learn from it, we’ll forever be in this cycle.
I find things like that fascinating and I think it’s a way of writing about history that’s missed a lot. There’s a ton of period pieces being made where the writers (understandably) don’t simply want to show everyone historically being very racist/sexist/etc, but instead they just substitute modern talking points directly into the mouths of characters from 100+ years ago which also feels very wrong. People certainly would have had progressive beliefs, but they wouldn’t have ever thought to express them in our words or the way we think. I have an 1800’s ladies magazine at home with an article pro-womens’ suffrage, except it doesn’t argue (like we would) that men and women are the same and obviously deserving of the same rights, but that women have a more caring and philanthropic nature that makes them just as good, if not better, at solving social issues (such as education, care for the sick, poor, etc) and therefore womens’ voices are needed in politics. Our feminist ideas today just would never occur to feminists 150+ years ago even if we both agree on points like ‘women should vote/go to college/etc’. The same way that this cartoonist is making fun of the ‘average man’ but still uses imagery and language that to us is clearly very racist.
Or it’s a good point on how we can focus on appearances and claim racism while ignoring the important racism trope being attacked by said cartoon Edit: if you ask a lit major, they’d likely say that using the artistic form for Africans of the time was meant to be juxtaposed with the content.
If you've seen his other cartoons that include he is definitely of the mind that dark skinned people are uglier and he seems to have a lower opinion of them on other issues as well. In this cartoon, looking stupid in front of (literally) black natives is supposed to add to the humiliation of the stranded British guy. So he's definitely racist, but there are degrees and certainly you could find worse racists in 1920s Britain.
"Focus on appearances and claim racism?" No chance you're actually implying this depiction isn't racist. And to your point, pretty much everyone here seemed to get the point of it AND acknowledge the clear racist characterization. They're not mutually exclusive.
Yeah. I mean, It's a cartoon and they're caricatures. A very racist one. And one that today would absolutely not fly for obvious reasons. To be honest they barely even look human. Which is.. Oof. But to be fair, so is the white guy. Nowhere near the same level. But look at his massively oversized nose and overbite. His whole face is basically a triangle. He's a caricature of a dopey middle aged white guy.
Racist charactization aside, this comic reminds me of that historical drama clip of the white guy explaining the world is round to the Japanese guy. White guy is expecting a big reaction and the Japanese guy doesn't react, it's not new information to him. The absurdity of white people thinking they are superior.
THIS. Believing that your people are somehow exceptionally bad is just another form of exceptionalism. I once heard someone say once and it changed my life. Stay humble. Rejoice in the good. Try to fix the bad. Dont waste energy on trying to make it into some sort of race or balm for your self esteem.
Damn I’m still in this sub? I haven’t seen a post on my page for literally years… commenting to get the Reddit algorithm to realize I actually want to see this shit
I haven't seen one of the interview off the street bits in a while, bummer they were my favorite
我好久没看到那些街头采访的片段了,真扫兴,那可是我的最爱。
KTKittentoes40 赞2026/4/16
They have been posting. I really enjoy those so much.
他们一直在发帖。我真的很喜欢这些内容。
Scared_Astronaut937743 赞2026/4/16
Go to the subreddit and upvote a couple of posts.
去那个 subreddit 给几个帖子点个赞吧。
Confuseacat9258 赞2026/4/16
The message of it is pretty accurate, the depiction however is horribly racist.
这东西传达的信息挺准的,但那表现手法简直种族歧视得离谱。
Fossilhund41 赞2026/4/16
The Average Man may know about modern technology, but what good does it do him at his current location? The locals, of course are experts at surviving in that same location. The "Savages" may think " Yea it's great he can draw, but does he know how to hunt, find water, edible plants or not get lost?"
Reminds me a bit of the Twilight Zone episode "Of Late I Think Of Cliffordville"
这让我稍微联想到了《阴阳魔界》(Twilight Zone)里那集《迟到的克利福德维尔》(Of Late I Think Of Cliffordville)。
janitor198615 赞2026/4/16
Albert Salmi was so underrated. One of my favorite character actors. Give it he blew his wife's brains out and then his own later in life but still underrated.
Racist characaures aside, the central message reminds me of [this commedy routine ](https://youtu.be/BVxOb8-d7Ic?si=eFoAAyGTzV_LJ28H) about how most of us imagine that if we travelled into the past we'd be treated like gods, but in all likelihood would actually be thought of as idiots.
Does the underlying message of this comic make it somehow ‘dark woke’?
这部漫画传达的深层含义,难道算得上是某种“暗黑觉醒(dark woke)”吗?
PablomentFanquedelic15 赞2026/4/16
Alexa play "Civilization (Bongo, Bongo, Bongo)"
Alexa,帮我播放那首《文明(Bongo, Bongo, Bongo)》。
BabadookOfEarl10 赞2026/4/16
The fundamental cognitive dissonance of this is a great reminder that social awareness is a process and not a state.
这玩意儿里透出的认知失调简直绝了,它很好地提醒了我们:社会觉醒是一个过程,而非一种既定状态。
Bhelduz8 赞2026/4/16
Not only that, but once you have explained how technology, how do you go about building it? Designing and making the components, making the tools needed for manufacturing and the infrastructure needed to support the industry? We aren't just separated by technology, we're separated by time.
I remember being in college, taking computer organization, and during one lecture on assembling the different logical components to make a little computational device, I realized I could, if necessary, build a mechanical computer using beads or pressurized water. It would be terribly inefficient, but maybe people WOULD at least believe me. What a glorious time it was. Felt truly enlightened.
If only it wasnt racist caricatures, this is *otherwise* amusing enough to think "haha yeah"
要是没搞那些种族歧视的漫画形象就好了,撇开这点不谈,这玩意儿还是挺逗的,让人看了会心一笑。
Manic-StreetCreature3 赞2026/4/16
Ohhhh no
Turgid-Derp-Lord3 赞2026/4/16
Big fucking yikes for this one!
这玩意儿简直让人尬出天际,大型翻车现场!
cardboard_tshirt50 赞2026/4/16
Yes, the execution has not aged well at all, but the point is valid. We’re all here on computers and smartphones etc, very few of us could even begin to explain the technology to someone who wasn’t familiar. The artistic rendering above is quite problematic, but they’re being appropriately skeptical and ridiculing the buffoon who can’t explain any of what he’s talking about.