1968年的摩加迪沙，两位身着现代时装的索马里女性在酒吧内。彼时，希贾布（头巾）尚未在当地普及。
1968年摩加迪沙，在希贾布风潮席卷之前，两名身着现代时装的索马里女性在酒吧里。
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OskarTheRed576 赞2026/1/2
I once heard a Somali woman on the radio talk about her youth in Mogadishu, before the war. She said she missed going to Italian restaurants there, which baffled me a bit - that's definitely *not* what I've usually associated with that place. But it's been ruled by Italy, so I guess it makes sense. I assume this means it was relatively European at some point
我曾经在广播里听到一位索马里妇女谈论她战前在摩加迪沙的青年时代。
她说她很怀念在那儿去意大利餐馆的日子，这让我有点懵——这绝对不是我平时对那个地方的印象。
但那里确实曾被意大利统治过，所以我想这也说得通。
我猜这意味着它在某个时期相对来说挺欧化的。
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TapTheForwardAssist213 赞2026/1/2
Bear in mind that a *lot* of these “look how modern X country was before Y event” photo posts are generally very much based on the upper middle class (or higher), specifically in a major (usually capital) city. I’m not a Somalia expert, but I’m reasonably sure that in the 1970s that peasant women in villages dressed very modestly, didn’t drink alcohol, and never tried Italian food. I know Iran and Afghanistan far better, and a very large share of “look how things were before Y event” photos only portray like 3% of the nation, within the urban elite, and not the average woman’s experience in that country.
你得记住，很多这种“快看 Y 事件发生前 X 国家有多现代化”的照片帖子，基本上都是基于中产阶级上层（或更高阶层）的，而且特指在主要大城市（通常是首都）。
我不是索马里问题专家，但我基本能确定，在 20 世纪 70 年代，乡村里的农妇们穿得非常保守，不喝酒，也从没尝过意大利菜。
我对伊朗和阿富汗了解得多一些，这种“快看 Y 事件前是什么样”的照片，很大一部分描绘的只是全国大概 3% 的城市精英，根本不是那个国家普通女性的生活体验。
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I think youre broadly right. However, my colleague, who is Somali, told me that women generally wore modest clothing but did not cover their hair until the Saudi funded religious schools innthe 70s and 80s made a big deal of it.
我觉得你大体上说得对。不过，我的同事就是索马里人，她跟我说过，那时候女性穿得确实朴素，但并没有遮住头发的习惯，直到七八十年代沙特资助的宗教学校开始大搞特搞这套东西，风气才变了。
gabbystuy73 赞2026/1/2
wahhabism ruined it all
瓦哈比派把一切都毁了。
Neat_Mycologist88 赞2026/1/2
I am North African, and Wahabism absolutely changed us culturally, especially with how far « geographically » and « culturally » we are from the Middle East.
My mom and aunts grew up in the late 70’s listening to music, wearing makeup, bikinis, short dresses and having male friends. Hijab, by the standards of today WAS NOT COMMON. Older women did dress modestly but It was never mandatory nor offensive if they didn’t.
我是北非人，瓦哈比教派在文化上彻底改变了我们，尤其是考虑到我们在“地理上”和“文化上”离中东其实相差甚远。
我妈和姨妈们是在 70 年代末长大的，她们那时候听音乐、化妆、穿比基尼、穿短裙，还有男性朋友。以今天的标准来看，那时候的希贾布（头巾）根本不普遍。年长的女性确实穿得很端庄，但这从来不是强制性的，不戴也不会冒犯到谁。
TapTheForwardAssist22 赞2026/1/2
This is an important point that I only alluded to above, so good to bring up: transnational changes in Sunni Islam, largely driven by the Saudis but with lots of conflating issues, are a factor.
这一点很重要，我上面只是提了一嘴，你把它指出来很好：逊尼派内部的跨国意识形态变迁——主要受沙特驱动，但也掺杂了各种复杂的因素——确实是个关键变量。
kriskringle843 赞2026/1/2
Somali woman here. People in rural areas dressed less "modestly" than you imagine, before the increased cultural influence from Saudi Arabia after the civil war. The typical garment for women was a long dress with a strap on only one shoulder. Or a long dress with short sleeves. The hair was always exposed unless married then women wore a silky headwrap, usually shaped similarly to the headrests of ancient Egyptians. Before, the aristocratic women of Somalia wore either those garments, silk or similar materials, and more ornate clothing and jewellery. But they were not any more or less covered than other women. Here's an example of how Somali women dressed outside of major cities back then:
* https://imgur.com/a/HhtqhKU
索马里人路过。农村地区其实不像你想象中那样“保守”，至少在内战后受沙特文化影响加剧之前是这样。当时女性典型的装束是单肩带的长裙，或者短袖长裙。头发通常是露出来的，除非是已婚女性，才会戴种丝绸头巾，形状有点像古埃及人的头饰。
PricePuzzleheaded83531 赞2026/1/2
This is true but was also true of other countries. IIRC in the US, JFK took a lot of measures to promote development and eradicate rural poverty because on the campaign trail, he was seeing people in the rural US without proper clothing, shoes, indoor plumbing, etc. This isn’t to say “nuh uh the US was also poor” or poverty olympics or whatever, just that the world in general was a lot less developed and rural poverty (and everything that comes with that, like less advancement for women) was the norm in a lot of places.
这话没错，但其实在其他国家也一样。我记得在美帝，肯尼迪那时候为了搞发展、扶贫，可是费了大力气，因为他在竞选走访时亲眼看到美国农村里的人连像样的衣服、鞋子、室内排水系统都没有。
Mission_Mulberry981134 赞2026/1/2
Mogadishu was bustling though. Lots of great music from that era to. Yeah it wouldn't have bean so exciting in the provincial areas but you could say the same about provinsial anywhere in the west
但摩加迪沙当时确实挺繁华的，那个时代的音乐也超棒。没错，边远地区肯定没那么热闹，但这话说回来，西方国家的农村地区不也一样嘛。
Christabel199139 赞2026/1/2
That does not excuse taking away the freedom these women enjoyed, just because they were a small percentage of the population. A better option would be to extend these freedoms to everyone else.
仅仅因为她们在人口中占比很小，就剥夺她们原本享有的自由，这根本说不过去。更好的做法应该是把这些自由普及给其他人，而不是干掉它们。
TapTheForwardAssist24 赞2026/1/2
I didn’t remotely say that. My point was that the entire nation wasn’t culturally similar to Long Beach, and then someone came along and made it oppressive overnight. It’s a shifting of factions and trends within a nation, affected by changing international developments, etc. And further my point is a lot of (very upvoted) posts of photos like these never get into the larger context, and may leave some readers with misguided impressions.
我可一点都没那意思。我的观点是，整个国家在文化上并不都跟长滩市（Long Beach）一个样，然后突然冒出个人，一夜之间就把这儿搞得压抑死板。这是一个国家内部各派系和思潮的更迭，受国际局势变动之类的影响很大。
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What an absolute fucking shame.
真他妈太可惜了。
137 赞2026/1/2
Wow instead of the picture of the women live in Iran before the revolution?
哇，又发这种“革命前伊朗女性”的照片？
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See my above reply about how the “women in Iran before the Revolution” photos are a *very* narrow facet of Iranian society, and not remotely what life was like for the average Iranian woman in the 1960s-1970s. Iran in the mid-1900s was going through a *tumultuous* period of cultural change as it was suddenly transitioning from being a very conservative society.
看看我上面那条回复，关于这种“革命前伊朗女性”的照片，其实只是伊朗社会一个极其狭窄的侧面，根本代表不了60-70年代伊朗普通女性的生活真相。
132 赞2026/1/2
Somalian women are really beautiful
索马里女人真的好美。
105 赞2026/1/2
“Before hijab adoption” is a really nice, sanitized way to put this.
“戴头巾之前”这种说法，美化得还挺顺耳的哈。
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Pray for secularism.
为世俗化祈祷。
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Considering its Somalia I doubt it
考虑到那是索马里，我对此表示怀疑。
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Two distinguished ladies. Daughters of Africa.
两位气质不凡的女士。非洲的女儿们。
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Are Somali women required to cover-up or is it still a choice?
索马里女性必须捂起来，还是依然是自己选择？
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It is never a choice
从来都不是选择
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Beautiful
真漂亮
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Fuck Islamism (jihadism, islamic fundamentalism, etc. I have nothing against non-radical Islam).
去他妈的伊斯兰主义（圣战主义、伊斯兰原教旨主义等等，我对非极端派的伊斯兰没意见）。
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Why did Somali women decide to switch to the Hijab?
索马里女性为什么决定改信戴头巾？
44 赞2026/1/2
When the socialist government collapsed in the 1990s, the country was taken over by warlords. Then foreign Saudi backed maddrassa created a faction of Islamist that took over most of the country not unlike afghanistan.
90年代社会主义政府垮台后，国家被军阀控制。然后沙特资助的外国宗教学校催生了一个伊斯兰派系，几乎控制了全国，跟阿富汗差不多。
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I wonder what effect that had on their female genital mutilation practices. From what I read there was some effort to stop it in the 70’s but the revolution in the early 90’s stoped that. Today about 99% of women in Somalia have underwent the procedure. :(
不知道这对她们的女性生殖器切割手术有什么影响。我查了一下，70年代有人尝试阻止，但90年代初的革命又给中断了。现在索马里99%的女性都做过这种手术。:(
10 赞2026/1/3
They look good, not inbred.
她们长得不错，不像近亲结婚的。
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Wish the political ideology of peace would stop ruining cultures.
希望和平的政治意识形态别再糟蹋文化了。
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Lovely looking women🥰
可爱的美女们🥰
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Before Islam spread and ruined everything
伊斯兰教传开并毁掉一切之前
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"adoption"
“收养”
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Amazing. That’s not Somali representative nowadays. Same for Iran.
绝了。现在这都不是索马里的代表了。伊朗也是一样。
4 赞2026/1/2
I grew up in a city with a sizeable Somali population. Somali women are hilarious.
我在一个索马里人很多的城市长大。索马里女人巨搞笑。
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Beautiful women.
美女。
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That floral baati is so cute.
那件碎花长袍太可爱了。
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The hijab is a invention that was made long ago, to give woman privat space and protect from the weather. Over time the hijab came and went, its when they force it that a community looks misogynistic. Its like saying we will protect woman wether they want it or not. The more free will the women have the bettet they look.
希贾布是很久以前发明出来的，初衷是为了给女性提供私人空间并抵御气候影响。
随着时间推移，希贾布的流行程度时起时伏，但当人们强迫女性佩戴时，这个群体看起来就显得厌女了。这就像是在说，不管女性愿不愿意，我们都要“保护”她们。
女性拥有的自由意志越多，她们看起来就越美。
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Daaaaamn!
卧槽！
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Oh, shit. Are we about to bomb Somalia or something?
哎哟我去，我们这是要炸索马里还是咋地？
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Smash
冲！