This is what we had to deal with, this is where we had to rebuild from, from artificial famines and religious tensions. And people out there can't handle when India is progressing despite all those flaws.
All famines are artificial. Famine occurs not through the absolute scarcity of food, but the inability to access it. Famine is caused by lack of preparedness, or lack of political will to import food, set up welfare schemes and so on. All famines are avoidable
Historically I’d say this isn’t true; perhaps one could argue that point today with how connected the world is but historically if the famine was caused by a natural disaste crop harvests they wouldn’t have been avoidable
Ireland was the biggest experter of live stock and grains during its famine….. also under British rule The famine in native America - the almost extinction of the buffalo …
You realise you're on the side that's arguing that _all_ famines are always caused by poor distribution of food or political action, and are never actually caused by an absolute lack of food. It would be different if you were arguing famines are often caused by these things - which is probably the case, especially in the past few centuries as our ability to transport food has very much improved. But there have been famines in history that were objectively caused by poor harvests and had nothing too do with political action or distribution of food. e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Part of modernity and globalization is that in the PRESENT era (which began in the nineteenth century) most famines are artificial. Starving people is a very good way to get rid of them or make them participate in your death cult.
That’s just not true. In this particular case it is, because the British exported food during a food crisis, but historically famines and other crisis were indeed due to scarcity.
My exact thought. It’s horrible, but I was literally thinking how are they still alive given their appearances. Ugh.
我的确切想法。这太可怕了,但我真的在想,鉴于他们的外表,他们怎么还活着。啊。
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Hooker_with_a_weenis428 赞2025/8/23
Literally going on in multiple places on earth today.
今天,地球上多个地方都在发生这样的事情。
WakaFlockaFlav177 赞2025/8/23
Don't worry. He is praying it away.
不用担心。他正在祈祷它消失。
Hooker_with_a_weenis107 赞2025/8/23
Ironic seeing that religion is what’s causing this shit.
讽刺的是,宗教才是造成这种情况的原因。
TheTenaciousG53 赞2025/8/23
Just gotta pray harder, maybe send over some thoughts
只是要更加努力地祈祷,也许传达一些想法
Phidwig24 赞2025/8/23
Might as well not pray then….!!?? Like seriously wtf are the majority of people who are also suffering immensely supposed to do about it? Believe in god or not, theres evidence that we live in a collective field where our individual thoughts and feelings influence the larger whole. Why poo poo on anyone offering up thoughts of healing for the suffering in the world?
How out of touch are you that you don't know this very minute there are people suffering this level of starvation?
你是多么脱离现实,竟然不知道现在还有人在遭受这种程度的饥饿?
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Stunning-Rock353981 赞2025/8/23
Nah these people were beyond starving. I imagine hunger doesn’t even register at that point as malnourishment would make you feel like you are dying anyway
不,这些人已经挨饿了。我想那时甚至不会感到饥饿,因为营养不良会让你感觉自己快要死了
Ok-Pomegranate85815 赞2025/8/23
Its true.... ... I wonder if they might ever be the same again .. especially the children who are still developing...
这是真的……我想知道他们是否会再次一样……尤其是那些仍在发育的孩子们……
9mackenzie44 赞2025/8/23
The average North Korean is 5” shorter than the average South Korean. Yes, children going through growing periods under starvation conditions absolutely have permanent changes. As for these people, I highly doubt they survived unfortunately. This level of starvation you can’t just eat food again, you need IV therapy and intensive treatment, they are likely suffering multi-organ failure in this pic.
Good reminder to broaden our perspective as well when we see things like “the world is worse than it’s ever been before” type content online. Edit: so many of yall *wanting* today to be worse than the past…step back and really honestly reflect where that might come from or who might be benefiting from you feeling that way. Let’s not dishonor the past or the present by being so flippant with the truth. Fight the cynicism.
Why do Google even allow that? Surely the platform on which it's being advertised have to vet what is being pushed out... so they just take the money and don't care about any of it? Do they ever take a moral stance on anything? I haven't seen the ads, but if it's true then Google are complicit in this whole terrible scenario.
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they specifically removed the "do no evil" part of their mission statement
他们特别删除了使命宣言中“不作恶”的部分
CinderR3bel22 赞2025/8/23
They sure seem to care when you tubers use clips for a second more than they're allowed. They demonatize them so fast🙄
当你的块茎使用剪辑超过允许的时间时,他们似乎确实很关心。他们如此迅速地妖魔化他们🙄
ItsGonnaBeOkayish22 赞2025/8/23
Yes I try to remind myself of this. Most people throughout history lived underneath kings or autocrats, in bad conditions. But what tips it for me is the impending environmental disaster, and the technology we've never had before. That's what makes this time different
It’s not necessarily fatal but will require medical attention, at this point just giving them food isn’t enough.
这不一定是致命的,但需要医疗护理,此时仅仅给他们食物是不够的。
AngletonSpareHead549 赞2025/8/23
Given them even plain rice will likely kill them. They need very specific infusions of electrolytes to prevent heart attack due to electrolyte imbalance, and a careful reintroduction of nutrition in a certain order. They may even be too far gone and need supportive care and opiates to help them pass away without pain. “Refeeding syndrome,” aka unintentional killing with kindness.
Yeah, unless that aid is a squad of doctors and special food, people are going to die of refeeding syndrome. Like I'm aware of what it is, but I couldn't tell you what's safe to eat. All a layperson could do is Google it, give small portions, and hope for the best. And imagine trying to self-manage it. You're starving but you know you can't eat much at all or you'll die.
Aid agencies are very knowledgeable about refeeding syndrome. They use specially crafted therapeutic food (peanut paste etc) to help bring people back to good health before they have normal food like rice etc. So it’s not dependent on doctors being there to help people survive.
One of the aid agencies operating in Gaza, I believe WFK, has been advertising their focus on nutritional pastes like this as a way of showing how effective donating to them currently is.
I was going to say thats wht the peanut paste tubes they give out in Africa are for. Help the body absorb nutrients slowly.
我想说这就是他们在非洲发放的花生酱管的用途。帮助身体慢慢吸收营养。
BackToGuac32 赞2025/8/23
I want to preface this point by making it categorically clear that I am in no way comparing fasting with Famine, but I can speak a little on refeed syndrome. I do extended fasting for health benefits. I do 1 week fast once every 3 months and a 2 week fast once a year; anything post 5 days you start to creep into the “risk” zone for refeed syndrome. The rule of thumb is the refeed period should be half the fasting time (for example; if these people have been starving for 6 months, the refeed period would be 3 months) Refeed diet is principally the same concept regardless of length of fast: -first is electrolytes, at this level of starvation you’d then add in liquid nutrients (first coconut water, then likely something like Nourishment) and bone broth. Due to dehydration they’d need IVs as well. -Second is non cruciferous veggies -Third is protein -Fourth is dairy -Finally complex carbs before back to normal eating All of this is done in stages and you should try to eat tiny quantities regularly to “wake up” your digestive system instead of eating a big meal; it’s very important not to rush and to listen to your body These people with medical intervention could likely be saved but the reality of that having occurred seems unbelievably slim
How the fuck does someone fast for even a couple days? I seriously feel like I am going to die if I go 24hrs. Does it really get easier past a certain point? It seems so incomprehensible to go 2 weeks without food
If I am not mistaken, the hunger gets worse and worse the first 3 days, then your body stops alarming you too much because it would be crippling compounding the feeling of hunger with the physical symtoms of lack of nutrition. So you basically already know you are hungry because you are feeling the symtoms, instead of needing additional warning of hunger.
It’s ironic that a people who were the victims of a genocide would then inflict that same fate on others. I know it’s not that simple, there’s a lot of nuance involved in the current conflict between Israel and Palestine but when boiled down, it’s very similar.
> It’s ironic that a people who were the victims of a genocide would then inflict that same fate on others. Most bullies were once bullied. Many holocaust survivors became incredibly racist. It's because, if you're judged for being part of a "group", people often stop trusting *anyone* that's not part of that group. You'll see it often online with racism and sexism caused by (and they'll also attempt to justify it using) past experiences. The greatest irony is that 80 years ago, WW2 ended and the US helped fight the fascists and stopped their genocide and now the US are becoming the Fascists and the genocided group is causing their own genocide. Europe went from a continent at war to possibly the strongest alliance on earth, and Germany and Japan went from literally fascism to being some of the most progressive countries in certain areas.
This is what killed my mother. She was anorexic for a good while, finally placed in a hospital and just handed her a plate of food - it ended up triggering a heart attack
这就是杀死我母亲的原因。她厌食症好一阵子,最后被送进医院,只是递给她一盘食物,结果引发了心脏病
shannyloupoo30 赞2025/8/23
My daughter is currently going through refeeding syndrome in an eating disorder clinic. After being in the program for about a week her liver levels went from 29 to 70 and 19 to 180. I have no idea what the numbers mean just that they aren’t good and if they weren’t monitored and lowered they would cause long term damage to her liver.
I am not a doctor. I do not know ED numbers. I am saying this so that you know, I don’t know what I am talking about. But, that being said, I do know liver numbers based on alcoholism, and those numbers I assume are AST and ALT readings? If so, at least for an alcoholic (again I have no idea about eat disorders), those numbers are not be all end all horrible. Those are the kind of numbers where doctors say “hey yo, not cool, stop drinking or it’ll be a problem in the future. Stop now.” Those aren’t “go to the emergency room now” numbers. The liver has an incredible capacity to heal. I sincerely hope the best for your daughter.
我不是医生。我不知道 ED 号码。我这么说是为了让你知道,我不知道我在说什么。但是,话虽这么说,我确实知道基于酗酒的肝脏数据,而我认为这些数字是 AST 和 ALT 读数?如果是这样,至少对于一个酗酒者来说(我再次对饮食失调一无所知),这些数字并不完全可怕。对于这样的数字,医生会说“嘿,这不酷,停止饮酒,否则将来会出现问题。现在就停止。”这些不是“现在去急诊室”的数字。肝脏具有令人难以置信的治愈能力。我真诚地希望你的女儿一切顺利。
dm_me_kittens17 赞2025/8/24
My partner found a severely dehydrated and malounourished kitten on the side of the road. When he brought him home, I was so scared to feed him too much. He had his baby teeth in, so I ground up the adult kibble we had and filled it with water and added a little bit of those kitty gogurts. I only fed him a little and he ate it all while purring. Not too long after we all settled down my partner came running downstairs saying there was something wrong. I ran upstairs and found the kitten CRYING. He had been so dehydrated that he had a fecal impaction. I strapped on some gloves and had to digitally remove the poop. They were like rocks. He made it through the night and after a few days of feeding him essentially baby food, I increased the amount and we went to harder foods. The little gremlin is four months old now and an absolute ankle terrorist. He's going to his forever home soon, and I love him so much. *
I remember in 1000 ways to die a guy starved himself so he could fit through the bars and escape prison, He made it home and they threw a big celebratory feast, He ate too much and his stomach ruptured and he died or some such.
There's no way they don't die or have serious medical complications for the rest of their lives even if they were put in a hospital immediately after this photo
即使他们在拍完这张照片后立即被送往医院,他们的余生也不可能不死或出现严重的医疗并发症
moby56140 赞2025/8/23
Agreed, they need immediate medical attention, my point is just that they aren’t 100% dead.
同意,他们需要立即就医,我的观点是他们并没有 100% 死亡。
killit72 赞2025/8/23
Photo's from 1877. They're 100% dead.
1877 年的照片。 他们100%死了。
MizStazya18 赞2025/8/23
Fuck you for making me laugh at this post
他妈的你让我笑这个帖子
PUBGM_MightyFine83 赞2025/8/23
This makes fasting really easy when you know it's not going to kill you to wait to eat even if it's unpleasant.
当你知道等待进食不会杀死你,即使它不愉快时,这会让禁食变得非常容易。
Ok-Pomegranate85829 赞2025/8/23
I guess... the hunger goes away after a while?
我想……饥饿感会在一段时间后消失吗?
PUBGM_MightyFine36 赞2025/8/23
Yep. Nausea and fatigue aren't fun if you go too long in my experience
是的。根据我的经验,如果时间太长,恶心和疲劳就不好玩了
ElaborateEffect39 赞2025/8/23
After intermittent fasting on and off a few time over the years, I don't get hungry anymore. My stomach will rumble, but I don't feel any actual discomfort. I think we've been conditioned to feel any hunger is bad
I get hungry pretty quick, it moved from discomfort to mild pain, and then nausea and headache. My whole life, regardless of my weight, anytime I'm trying to watch what I eat or restrict my intake. I don't need to stuff my face with cake, but I do have to eat to prevent the nausea and headache, and it's irritating because I feel like intermittent fasting would be great (or just eating two meals a day) but I can't seem to condition myself without it interfering in my functioning.
It's starts in babyhood especially if they're bottle fed. Parents think the only response to an uncomfortable baby is to feed them a bottle. The baby isn't necessarily hungry but sucking is soothing. Eventually, this repeated process either confuses the baby or teaches them to ignore their body. It is exacerbated when parents *make* kids finish dinner. You're teaching your children that they're supposed to eat at a specific time or whenever they're upset whether they're hungry or not. This leads to all kinds of digestive problems down the road including obesity.
Sadly descendants today are still living with the impact of this famine in their DNA, affecting how their bodies store fat and leading to high rates of diabetes in India and South Asia. Edit: as others have informed me it’s really the epigenome and not the DNA sequence, but love that Reddit can teach me new things like this.
可悲的是,今天的后代在他们的 DNA 中仍然受到这场饥荒的影响,影响了他们的身体储存脂肪的方式,并导致印度和南亚的糖尿病发病率很高。 编辑:正如其他人告诉我的那样,这实际上是表观基因组,而不是 DNA 序列,但我喜欢 Reddit 可以教我这样的新东西。
MusaRilban16 赞2025/8/23
Can you provide a source for that? How can a single famine affect the DNA so significantly like you've described? As a complete layman, everything I've learnt about DNA, inherited traits and the environmental impact on both of them goes against what you've just said. And if true, how is it that through the same mechanisms the body doesn't then just adapt to the new environmental state and change once again? Edit: I learned something new, thanks! It doesn't change your DNA sequence but it does affect how genes are expressed, which can cause a variety of issues if the environmental pressures change (famine -> abundance for e.g).
你能提供一个来源吗?一次饥荒如何能够像您所描述的那样对 DNA 产生如此显着的影响?作为一个完全的门外汉,我所了解到的关于DNA、遗传特征以及环境对它们两者的影响的一切都与你刚才所说的相反。 如果这是真的,那么为什么通过相同的机制,身体不会适应新的环境状态并再次发生变化呢? 编辑:我学到了新东西,谢谢!它不会改变您的 DNA 序列,但会影响基因的表达方式,如果环境压力发生变化(例如饥荒 -> 丰富),可能会导致各种问题。
QuestioningHuman_api57 赞2025/8/23
It’s not about DNA, it’s about the epigenome, which (in layperson terms) determines your body’s chemical output. Famine and other extreme stressors do significantly alter a person’s epigenome and it’s been extensively studied and proven that this is heritable. You should be able to find many reputable sources and studies about this with a google search using this information.
这与 DNA 无关,而是与表观基因组有关,表观基因组(用外行人的话来说)决定了您身体的化学物质输出。饥荒和其他极端压力确实会显着改变一个人的表观基因组,并且经过广泛研究并证明这是可遗传的。 您应该能够使用此信息通过谷歌搜索找到许多有信誉的来源和研究。
Schnicklefritz98727 赞2025/8/23
Many Irish descendants in America suffer from forms of anemia, a genetic result of widespread famine or starvation. This is just one example.
美国的许多爱尔兰后裔都患有贫血症,这是大范围饥荒或饥饿的遗传结果。这只是一个例子。
kn1ght-of-heart22 赞2025/8/23
I don't know much about this particular situation, but something similar happened with Holocaust victims. Trauma like this changes your DNA. It has to do with epigenetics, from what I understand.
It affects Cortisol. My grandparents and parents survived famines and if I'm stressed I get fat. I had huge problems during the last decade and even if I walk 10km a day every day minimum and never eat too much (and no sodas or processed food), I just can't lose weight if I'm stressed. My GP tested everything my cholesterol and stuff everything is perfect BUT my cortisol is very very high. My sibling used to do 3hours of cardio everyday just to avoid being obese but he was still very chubby (he has anxiety since little). You can research articles using "famine" and "epigenetic".
It’s well documented in the literature that famine impacts epigenetics. Meaning that certain genes are turned on and off under certain conditions and those genes are subsequently passed on to future generation. I forget exactly when, but there was a Dutch famine and the children born to pregnant mothers during that time had higher instances of mental health issues when compared to pregnant mothers that didn’t experience the famine. Additionally, thing like telomere length at the ends of DNA strands are also affected.
the baby may be sucking but I doubt any milk, is coming out
宝宝可能正在吸吮,但我怀疑是否有乳汁流出
Selkies_not_Sirens54 赞2025/8/23
I’m shocked she was able to birth a baby in that condition!
我很震惊她能在这种情况下生下孩子!
QuintoBlanco93 赞2025/8/23
She gave birth before she was in this state, and the child isn't the size it should be because of starvation.
她在这种状态之前就生下了孩子,而且因为饥饿,孩子也没有达到应有的大小。
IdKillForAGoodComa24 赞2025/8/23
At least for some comfort. The poor mother. The pain and guilt she must have felt.
至少是为了一些安慰。可怜的母亲。她一定感受到了痛苦和愧疚。
clawsoon143 赞2025/8/23
Late Victorian Holocausts is an eye-opening read. It's been a while since I read it, but the short version of the story that I remember was that in the first famine of the late 1800s, the British governor worked his ass off to minimize deaths - redistributing food, reducing exports, cancelling taxes. Hardly anybody died. He sent his report back to London, and they were furious. They wanted maximum extraction from India at all times, famine or no famine. They wanted people to die to get rid of "surplus population". They wanted maximum taxes, maximum exports, and minimal relief. So in the following famines, the governors followed London's direction and millions died.
Same in Ireland. "The undeserving poor should be reduced in number"
在爱尔兰也一样。 “应该减少不值得的穷人的数量”
Cultural_Wish493319 赞2025/8/23
And on-liners wonder why us Irish lose our shit about famine and potato "jokes". The irish famine was too early for press photography, but those bengalese pictures are deeply disturbing.
yep: "Although rice and wheat production in the rest of India (which now included bonanzas of coarse rice from the recently conquered Irrawaddy delta) had been above average for the past three years, much of the surplus had been exported to England. **Londoners were in effect eating India's bread.** "It seems an anomaly," wrote a troubled observer, "that, with her famines on hand, India is able to supply food for other parts of the world."" \-Mike Davis, Late Victorian Holocausts To paraphrase Yogeshwar Shastri: if knowingly stealing food at gunpoint from the mouth of a starving man while he dies of hunger is not deliberate murder, then what is?
England increased its theft of India's grain during this time, and Brit Viceroy Lytton purposely and knowingly lowered daily rations of Indian labourers at gunpoint to starvation levels, despite Indian food surpluses. Brit colonists also forced Indian labourers to grow grain to be sent to England while they starved - forcing them to work 9 hours daily in extreme heat in exchange for starvation rations. At the same time, Lytton threw the most lavish celebratory feast in all of human history - for British Colonial Officers in India. The opulent feast lasted for a week, and cost an insane amount of money. Queen Victoria often complained of stomach pains from regularly eating massive, 6-course meals at this time. She attended this same series of feasts in India during this famine, which was thrown to celebrate her power over India during this period. Both Lytton and Queen Victoria were well aware that people were being forced to starve around them, by them.
Did this cause south asian's to be more prone to diabetes, heart disease,etc?
这是否导致南亚人更容易患糖尿病、心脏病等?
beyondocean133 赞2025/8/23
Many studies have shown to have that predisposition. Hence the skinny fat phenotype for diabetes instead of the fat phenotype elsewhere.
许多研究表明有这种倾向。因此,糖尿病的表型是瘦脂肪,而不是其他地方的脂肪表型。
TiredAF2049 赞2025/8/23
I'm an example of the skinny fat South Asian. 5'3", 102 lbs, but I can't zip up or close the buttons on some pants that are otherwise loose on me. Lots of diabetes in my family too.
I met an Indian guy at my work who looks normal in size yet has diabetes. I didn’t know about this historical context so wonder if he has it because of this. It’s crazy and I’m sorry it’s even a reality.
>Did this cause south asian's to be more prone to diabetes, heart disease,etc? Notoriously. India was made to go through 12 famines during British Raj. Diabetes and tight/small arteries are part of the genetics now. But hey, British got their spices they were looking for, I bet their food is really tasty now. 😐
Yep. Generational trauma from a British-induced famine. Just like Ireland.
是的。英国引发的饥荒造成的世代创伤。就像爱尔兰一样。
Ok-Juice-542141 赞2025/8/23
This is fucking horrible But do you know what's even more fucking horrible? That it's still happening!!
这太他妈可怕了 但你知道更可怕的是什么吗? 原来这样的事情还在发生!!
Fat_Gravy300094 赞2025/8/23
What are the cannibals gonna do make broth?
食人者会做什么做肉汤?
JoJCeeC8841 赞2025/8/23
Fr. There’s literally no meat on these bones at all.
神父。这些骨头上根本没有肉。
BoysenberryAdvanced420 赞2025/8/23
You'd be surprised! You get a lot of nutritious bone marrow from cooked bones.
你会感到惊讶的!您可以从煮熟的骨头中获得大量有营养的骨髓。
Ok-Pomegranate85821 赞2025/8/23
Fat_gravy , i was wondering this myself, but I didn't want to be the first to ask it for some reason.
Fat_gravy,我自己也想知道这个问题,但出于某种原因我不想成为第一个问这个问题的人。
AstronomerNo380678 赞2025/8/23
In 1874, Sir Richard Temple prevented famine in Bengal by importing rice, for which he was criticised by the government. In Madras in 1877, in response, he exported food and established labour camps- policies known to have failed miserably in both India and Ireland. Millions died, and Temple received a baronetcy. This was deliberate.
and 7 times out 10 of today's geopolitical mess traces back to British as well. Ex: sino-indian border dispute. The McMahon Line, drawn by British India in 1914 without China’s consent, and other colonial era boundary decisions left a legacy of contested borders.
I thought it was my turn to post this? _rare historical photos_ my ass.
我以为轮到我发这个了? _罕见的历史照片_我的屁股。
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People are starving for upvotes!
人们渴望投票!
nazgulonbicycle47 赞2025/8/23
Man made Famines such as these, completely changed the anatomy, eating habits and relationship with money in South Asia. The average height of humans went down significantly and has been steadily increasing and still not to the full genetic potential. The mentality went from an abundant, benevolent society to one thinking only of themselves and their family, always thinking from a place of lack. Its taken a lot and it will take a lot more to undo. When the West laughs at India in social media, for being dirty, for being scammy, for having an accent, or for having a culture ffs — trust me, you have no idea what those people have suffered through to gain independence.
Remember the British did this and got away with it.
请记住,英国人就是这样做的,并且侥幸逃脱了惩罚。
Jazzlike_Method_764238 赞2025/8/23
If the holodomor is considered a genocide, then this should be too
如果大饥荒被认为是种族灭绝,那么这也应该是
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fR1chAps38 赞2025/8/23
It's really depressing that people don't know how fucked East India company and the subsequent British Raj was.
令人沮丧的是,人们不知道东印度公司和随后的英属印度是多么操蛋。
Mintyytea32 赞2025/8/23
Wow that’s real. Apparently those 150 years ago (honestly not that long ago!) British government kept insisting India ship the grain to them even during the famine, and it cause more than a million people there to die of starvation. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36339524.amp
These people are about the size and look of my mom at the end of her battle with stomach cancer. The fact that this guy is sitting up and supposedly ready to fight off someone with any ability to do so at all is beyond impressive if true.