爱尔兰-古巴革命领袖切·格瓦拉相隔10年的对比照
切·格瓦拉——马克思主义革命家、古巴革命的核心人物。这两张照片展示了他十年间的变化。
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Civil-Letterhead82072,165 赞2025/8/18
“Irish-Cuban”, huh? Forgetting that he was born and raised in Argentina and was so much an Argentinean that that is even why he got the nickname “Che”.
“爱尔兰裔古巴人”？哈？别忘了他在阿根廷出生长大，而且他“阿根廷味儿”浓到连绰号“切”（Che）都是这么来的。
Outside_Reserve_2407787 赞2025/8/18
And his Irish ancestry comes from his great-great grandfather.
再说了，他的爱尔兰血统还是追溯到他曾曾祖父那一辈的。
helgetun214 赞2025/8/17
That doesnt make him all that Irish-Cuban though… he is Argentinian, and if his only Irish relation is his great-great grandfather then its a bit wrong to call him Irish-Argentinian too as he is what 1/16th Irish? Probably more Spanish or Italian than Irish then given the ethnicity in Argentina
这哪能算什么爱尔兰裔古巴人啊……他就是个阿根廷人。如果他唯一的爱尔兰亲缘就是那个曾曾祖父，那叫他爱尔兰裔阿根廷人也挺离谱的吧？他身上才多少爱尔兰血统？1/16？考虑到阿根廷的人口构成，他身上的西班牙或意大利血统估计都比爱尔兰血统多得多。
Outside_Reserve_240793 赞2025/8/18
That’s my point.
这就是我想说的。
helgetun26 赞2025/8/18
Ah alright, my bad!
啊行吧，我错了！
Jebuschristo02465 赞2025/8/18
So he's not Irish then.
所以说他根本不是爱尔兰人呗。
TakeAChillPillTaco28 赞2025/8/18
O'bama's great-great-great-grandfather was from Moneygall.
There's none more Irish than Barreigh O'bama
奥巴马的曾曾曾祖父还是莫尼格尔人（Moneygall）呢。
Infrastation333 赞2025/8/18
If you don't live in Ireland you're not Irish, unless you're famous and then oh I think you're my neighbor Seán's cousin and you're welcome in any time.
你要是不住在爱尔兰，那你就不算爱尔兰人。除非你出名了，那大家就会说：“哦，我想起来了，你是隔壁肖恩的表亲，随时欢迎你回来。”
BoweryBloke89 赞2025/8/18
So if you're born there and move away, you're not Irish anymore? Wise up.
照你这么说，要是出生在那儿后来搬走了，就不算爱尔兰人了？快醒醒吧。
blue-mooner177 赞2025/8/18
As someone who was born in Ireland and moved to the US, yes, many people in Ireland think this. Ireland doesn’t have mail in ballots for elections because (as my cousin told me): _”why should you get a vote if you’re not here to deal with the consequences”_?
作为个在爱尔兰出生后移居美国的人，我还真得说，确实，很多爱尔兰人就是这么想的。
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overnightyeti39 赞2025/8/18
Same as asshole Poles voting for the right wing bigots while enjoying a progressive country somewhere else.
这就跟那些波兰混蛋一个样，明明在别的国家享受着进步主义带来的好处，转头却去给右翼偏执狂投票。
teotzl15 赞2025/8/18
Do you have any insight on why this is? I’ve heard a couple Turkish-Americans say this but never really heard why European diaspora like him so much. The ones I have met hated him though it’s a sample size of like 5 so perhaps Americans vote for him too.
你对这种现象有什么看法吗？我听过几个土耳其裔美国人这么说，但一直没搞懂为什么像他这样的欧洲侨民这么挺他。虽然我认识的那几个土耳其人倒是挺讨厌他的，但样本量才5个，说不定在美国的那些还是支持他的。
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BoweryBloke30 赞2025/8/18
You were misinformed man. I moved abroad, doesn't mean I handed my passport in. I can still vote.
哥们，你被误导了。我搬到国外住，又不代表我把护照上交了。我还是能投票的。
Dave-106674 赞2025/8/18
👍🏻 This gatekeeping of Irish ethnicity is seriously fking tedious. Usually a game played by people with zero understanding of how diasporas work and why they’re important. As an Irishman myself the fact that I like to point out is that the founding father of the Irish Republic (Eamon de Valera) was a half-Spanish New Yorker who came to Ireland when he was 2.
👍🏻 这种对爱尔兰血统的“守门”行为真的他妈的让人烦透了。通常玩这种游戏的都是些根本不懂侨民是怎么回事、也不懂他们为什么重要的人。作为一个爱尔兰人，我想指出一个事实：爱尔兰共和国的国父（埃蒙·德·瓦莱拉）其实是个西班牙混血的纽约客，他两岁才到爱尔兰。
Defiant-Goose-10122 赞2025/8/18
I always wondered how he was Irish with “de Valera.”
我一直纳闷他那名字“德·瓦莱拉”怎么看都不像爱尔兰人。
tipareth197823 赞2025/8/18
Fun fact to help promote pan celtic sensibilities- if you were alive in Ireland in the 1800s your ancestors are ten times more likely to be in north America than Ireland. Irish were kicked out of homes, put into prison, slave labor and piled in coffin ships against their will. If that isn't Irish enough for you then go over to the other side of the bar and talk to someone else
说个冷知识来促进下泛凯尔特人认同——如果你祖辈在19世纪生活在爱尔兰，那么他们流落到北美居住的可能性比待在爱尔兰高出十倍。当时爱尔兰人被赶出家园、关进监狱、沦为苦力，还要被迫挤在“棺材船”上偷渡。如果这还不够“爱尔兰”的话，那你就滚去吧台另一边找别人聊吧。
Kr1spykreme_Mcdonald16 赞2025/8/17
That’s so weird because I don’t live in Ireland, but I’m definitely Irish…..
这真的很离谱，因为我虽然不住在爱尔兰，但我绝对是爱尔兰人……
SignificantScreen10020 赞2025/8/18
Ernesto Che Guevohara.
埃内斯托·切·格瓦拉（这里玩了谐音梗，将Guevara改成了Guevohara）。
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Argentinian
阿根廷人。
168 赞2025/8/17
I always have to say this shit to my mom. She’s like “Oh you’re Cuban!” Like no mom I’ve only ever lived in a segregated suburb of New York and don’t speak a lick of spanish…
我老得跟我妈唠叨这破事儿。她总说“噢，你是古巴人！”
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👏👏👏 You are an American. Nothing wrong with acknowledging your heritage though.
👏👏👏 你是个美国人。承认自己的血统没什么不对的。
47 赞2025/8/18
Not the same as saying Che was Irish-Cuban though when he is in fact Argentinian born and raised by Argentinian parents. He is more Spanish and Basque than Irish too. But Spanish-Argentinian is too generic I guess… even if its what is true
但这和说切·格瓦拉是“爱尔兰裔古巴人”可不是一回事，毕竟人家是地道的阿根廷人，父母也都是阿根廷人。再说他身上西班牙和巴斯克血统都比爱尔兰血统多。估计“西班牙裔阿根廷人”这种说法太普通了吧……哪怕这才是事实。
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He was not Cuban Irish. What nonsense is this?
他根本就不是什么爱尔兰裔古巴人。这是哪门子胡扯？
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This is engagement bait nonsense.
这就是纯纯的引战钓鱼贴。
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Op sounds Cuban. They are always trying to deny they are spics like the rest of us.
楼主听着像古巴人。他们这种人老是想方设法否认自己和我们其他人一样，都是群“spic”（拉美裔蔑称）。
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I've never seen him referred to as Irish before.
我还是头一回见人管他叫爱尔兰人的。
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Having distant Irish ancestors wouldn't make you Irish. I have distant French, German, Senegambian, Nigerian, etc. I can research them all and even feel a tie to their culture, but that wouldn't make me any of those. I think it is a bit of a stretch to call this particular Argentinien an Irish-Cuban.
有点远房爱尔兰血统可不代表你就是爱尔兰人了。我身上还有远房的法国、德国、塞内冈比亚、尼日利亚血统呢。我可以去深挖这些族源，甚至对他们的文化产生共鸣，但这都不能把我定义成那些人。
19 赞2025/8/19
literally absurd to call someone whose great-great-grandfather was Irish “Irish-Cuban.” especially because he was Argentinian(!!!!!). FYI, this means Che was 1/16 or *6% *ethnically* irish lololol. best guess is that OP is american w/ irish ancestry and wants to “claim” both che guevera and ireland. *typo
管一个高祖父是爱尔兰人的人叫“爱尔兰裔古巴人”，简直荒谬到家了。尤其是考虑到他本人还是阿根廷人（！！！！！）。
27 赞2025/8/17
It’s very well established- Quote from a letter he wrote to his dad while visiting Ireland: **”I am in this green Ireland of your ancestors. When they found out, the television station came to ask me about the Lynch genealogy, but in case they were horse thieves or something like that, I didn’t say much”**. Quote by his dad: **”The first thing to note is that in my son’s veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels, the Spanish conquistadores and the Argentinean patriots”** -Ernesto Guevara Lynch
这可是板上钉钉的事实——
引用他去爱尔兰旅游时写给父亲的一封信：**“我现在正身处你们祖先所在的这片绿色爱尔兰。当他们发现我来了之后，电视台跑来问我关于林奇（Lynch）家族族谱的事，但万一他们（祖先）是偷马贼之类的，我可没敢多说什么。”**
他父亲的一段话：**“首先要指出的是，我儿子的血管里流淌着爱尔兰叛军、西班牙征服者和阿根廷爱国者的血液。”**
——埃内斯托·格瓦拉·林奇（Ernesto Guevara Lynch）
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And he failed to see the irony of conflating Irish Rebels with Conquistadors, just..wow.
他居然没发现把“爱尔兰反抗者”和“西班牙征服者”放在一起说有多讽刺，简直了……绝了。
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Seems like he's just highlighting that the guy was a warrior.
他似乎只是想强调那家伙是个战士。
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His Irish ancestor was born in 1720…fuck all Irish about him.
他那爱尔兰祖先可是1720年出生的……他身上根本就没半点爱尔兰血统。
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Looks like a different bloke, bloody hell!
看起来像是个不同的人，该死！
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Thank you! I don't think it's the same person
谢谢！我觉得这根本就不是同一个人。
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The nose does not look anything the same in the two pictures
这两张照片里的鼻子看起来一点都不像。
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He was Argentinian of primarily Basque heritage.
他是阿根廷人，主要是巴斯克血统。
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ego death
自我消解
57 赞2025/8/17
Fair to say he was also an a**hole since he actually was but his descension also shocks a lot of people he didn’t take care of himself and had bad hygiene.
说他是个混蛋倒也公道，因为他确实是，但关于他堕落的样子也让很多人感到震惊——他不修边幅，卫生习惯极其糟糕。
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Argentinian not Cuban.
是阿根廷人，不是古巴人。
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You say when you do the guerilla in the jungle, the hygiene passes to the second plan. "I would rather die standing than always live on my knees"
你得说，当你在丛林里打游击的时候，卫生问题自然就退居二线了。
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I don’t know if occasionally bathing constitutes as “living on your knees” but he can do his own thing for all I care.
我不知道偶尔洗个澡算不算“跪着生活”，但他爱咋样咋样，我才懒得管。
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Why was he an asshole? I genuinely don't know anything about him other than he was some Cuban leader.
他为什么是个混蛋啊？除了知道他是古巴领导人，关于他我真的一无所知。
59 赞2025/8/18
People say he’s an asshole because his freedom fighting was done under a communist ideology, and to Americans anyone who embraces the big C is instantly evil. He is particularly hated by Cubans in America because they or their parents were likely land owners who were dispossessed by the Castro regime and came to the states as refugees. He was a true believer in the revolution and did believe in violence as a necessary tool of revolution. This developed gradually as he saw the violence being used against the people of Cuba by Bautista and his government. He was responsible for a number of political executions, mostly of Bautista’s people, but the number attributed to him ranges from 55 to over 500 depending on who you ask. In other words, complex figure.
人们说他是混蛋，是因为他的“反抗斗争”是在共产主义意识形态下进行的，而在美国人眼里，只要沾上那个“C”字头（共产主义），瞬间就成了恶魔。他尤其受美国古巴人的痛恨，因为他们本人或父母很可能是当年被卡斯特罗政权剥夺了土地、然后以难民身份逃到美国的地主。他是个坚定的革命信徒，也确实认为暴力是革命的必要工具。这种想法在他看到巴蒂斯塔及其政府对古巴人民施加暴力后逐渐形成。他确实对多起政治处决负责，主要针对的是巴蒂斯塔的人，但具体数字众说纷纭，有的说是55人，有的说超过500人。总之，这是个复杂的人物。
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His ideology developed as he traveled through South America and could see the poverty caused by colonization and solidified in Guatemala before escaping to Mexico where he started working with Castro
他的意识形态是在游历南美时形成的，当时他亲眼目睹了殖民主义造成的贫困，后来在危地马拉彻底稳固了这种思想，之后逃到墨西哥，开始与卡斯特罗合作。
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I was in Ireland this June, am I a little bit Irish?
我今年六月去过爱尔兰，那我是不是也算有一点点爱尔兰血统？
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Not Irish or Cuban, but okay.
你既不是爱尔兰人也不是古巴人，不过行吧。
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He died in Bolivia, I’m
Surprised OP didn’t add Bolivian to his list of nationalities.
他死在玻利维亚，我挺惊讶楼主竟然没把“玻利维亚人”也加到他的国籍列表里。
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His nose looks completely different on the right photo though….
不过右边那张照片里他的鼻子看起来完全不一样啊……
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I noticed that too and then noticed the lighting is shining right in his nose in pic 2 from above, which may be making it seem wider
我也注意到了，但后来发现第二张照片里的光线是直接从上方打在他鼻梁上的，可能这让他鼻子看起来宽了一些。
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Why is this guy so popular with graffiti artists and basement dwellers?
为什么这家伙在涂鸦艺术家和宅男群体里这么受欢迎？
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not sure but he fought to liberate people so he should be popular among anyone who supports freedom
不太确定，但他为解放人民而战，所以任何支持自由的人应该都会拥戴他。
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Irish Argentinian Ernesto “che” Guevara lynch
爱尔兰裔阿根廷人埃内斯托·“切”·格瓦拉·林奇
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Jack Grealish
杰克·格拉利什
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Also a doctor
而且还是个医生
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He was born in Argentina... How is there an Irish link?
他明明出生在阿根廷……怎么会跟爱尔兰扯上关系？
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So I guess we won’t mention he was born in Argentina and grew up there?
所以咱们就不提他出生并在阿根廷长大这事儿了？
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He was Argentine. Partially of Irish ancestry…but mostly Spanish.
他是个阿根廷人。
确实有一部分爱尔兰血统……但主要是西班牙血统。
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That man was fine af
那男的帅炸了
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Che Guevara Lynch
切·格瓦拉·林奇
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I'm Irish and this is the first time I've heard of him being in any way Irish. Both him and Castro are generally looked at in a position light here in Ireland though
我是爱尔兰人，这还是我头一回听说他跟爱尔兰有啥关系。不过在爱尔兰，大家对他和卡斯特罗的看法通常都挺正面的。
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Dude this post is so wrong it has to be bait. I personally met someone who’s family was sent to the paredón by him. Stop idolizing the man, maybe the “idea” of him but not the person.
哥们，这贴写得也太离谱了，简直就是为了钓鱼吧。
我亲身遇到过家人被他下令送上行刑墙（paredón）的人。别再神化这家伙了，或许可以崇拜他的“理念”，但绝不是他这个人。
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Regardless of his ancestry... it reminds me of those before and after pics of people doing drugs. In this case... 'you' and 'you on communism'.
不管他的血统咋样……这看起来真像那种吸毒前后的对比照。放到这儿就是……“平时的你”vs“深陷共产主义后的你”。
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Che Guevara was more Basque and Spanish than Irish or Cuban.
切·格瓦拉其实巴斯克和西班牙血统更多，爱尔兰或古巴血统反而没那么多。
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Communism makes you ugly.
共产主义这玩意儿真让人变丑。
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Damn he was hot
妈呀，他当时也太帅了吧。