She was admitted on her 40th birthday (1931) and then she spent 65 years in asylums. I read through [her Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Munson), it's a wild ride. Scandals, theft, murder, etc. > In the mid-1980s, Munson, in her mid-90s, was moved to a nursing home in Massena, New York, as the original hospital closed; however, she would often escape to a nearby bar, with employees in the nursing home having to find her. Consequently, she was moved back to the new mental institution.
Sounds like it would make a good movie. I wonder if she was actually insane or if she was just too rebellious for the time. Either way, 64 years in any institution would make anyone crazy.
Especially after whatever “treatments” they were doing for those 64 years.
特别是考虑到在那64年里,他们搞的那些所谓“治疗”。
rozetintsmyworld96 赞2025/8/12
Absolutely.
绝对是这样。
superanth73 赞2025/8/12
They would have been ridiculously hit-or-miss until the late 60's/early 70's when effective psychoactive pharmaceuticals really started getting out to the masses.
在60年代末/70年代初,真正有效的精神类药物开始普及之前,那些治疗手段简直离谱,全靠撞大运。
the_cat_who_shatner103 赞2025/8/12
As someone with treatment resistant depression and OCD, I’d argue the treatment and medication options out there are still dogshit.
作为一名患有难治性抑郁症和强迫症的患者,我得说,现在的治疗方案和药物选择依然烂透了。
Cherrygodmother20 赞2025/8/13
Sending you love. My best friend has had a similar journey as you. Have you tried Spravato? That’s what made the difference for her. I’m obviously no doctor, just a fellow internet stranger wishing you the best
Is that the ketamine medication? I’d love to try it but my insurance won’t cover it and it’s unaffordable otherwise. Same thing with psilocybin therapy.
As someone with issues responsive to treatment, I'd beg to differ. Sorry that it's not working for you, really. As a sidenote, my dad, too, had "resistant" depression, all the way up to attempted suicide. Twice, fortunately both unsuccessful. Turns out he has Parkinsons, atypical. Took a while to figure his meds out, but he is now much, much better. Especially mentally. First symptoms started showing in his mid thirties, mostly manifesting in depression.
Perhaps I painted with too broad of a stroke. Yes, there are many medications that work wonders for people and that’s great. However, my main gripe in my current situation is that if you can’t be on SSRI, SNRI, atypical APs or tricyclic, then your options are very limited, if nonexistent.
I read in one article that she ran a contest to find a husband and then when the husband didn’t show up, she tried to commit suicide
我在一篇文章里读到过,她当时搞了个选夫比赛,结果没人来,然后她就尝试自杀了。
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SnooKiwis216123 赞2025/8/12
It gives Free Britney Spears
很有“解放布兰妮”那味儿了。
JuryZealousideal379238 赞2025/8/12
Sounds like a kick ass lady who wanted to spend her waning years with a cocktail and peering at the young men. Good for her.
听起来是个超酷的女士,只想在晚年喝喝鸡尾酒、盯着小鲜肉看。真不错,挺好的。
ACaffeinatedWandress71 赞2025/8/12
I can’t blame a grown woman for wanting to go out from time to time, with her freedom so restricted for most of her life.
一个成年女性,大半辈子都没什么自由,我想偶尔出去透透气,这没什么好指责的。
Lauranna9024 赞2025/8/12
Bless her! She spent so much of her life locked away. She just wanted a bit of fun.
天哪,可怜的她!她大半辈子都被关在笼子里,不过是想找点乐子而已。
TraditionalShare853740 赞2025/8/12
Yeah, I’d really like some clarifying info here, because I doubt she remained in the same institution (at least functionally) for 74 years.
是啊,我确实希望能有更多细节解释一下,因为我不太相信她(至少在功能上)能在同一家机构待上74年。
panaceaXgrace136 赞2025/8/12
That wasn't very uncommon especially for wealthy people, they'd put their family away so they didn't have to deal with them. My god I just read that wikipedia entry! In 1919, Audrey Munson was living with her mother in a boarding house at 164 West 65th Street, Manhattan, owned by Dr. Walter Wilkins. Wilkins fell in love with Munson, and on February 27, murdered his wife, Julia, so he could be available for marriage.[^(\[16\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Munson#cite_note-gilding-16) Munson and her mother left New York, and the police sought them for questioning. After a nationwide hunt, they were located. They refused to return to New York, but were questioned by agents from the [Burns Detective Agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Burns_International_Detective_Agency) in [Toronto, Ontario](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto), Canada. The contents of the affidavits they supplied have never been revealed, but Audrey Munson strongly denied that she had any romantic relationship with Dr. Wilkins.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Munson#cite_note-autogenerated2016-1) Wilkins was tried, found guilty, and sentenced to the [electric chair](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_chair). He hanged himself in his prison cell before the sentence could be carried out.[^(\[21\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Munson#cite_note-obscurity-21) The entry said she was 40 when she was institutionalized, so a decade after her attempt. And then this: Munson had no visitors at the asylum for over 25 years after her mother died in 1958, until her half-niece, Darlene Bradley, rediscovered her in 1984, when Munson was 93.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Munson#cite_note-autogenerated2016-1) In the mid-1980s, Munson, in her mid-90s, was moved to a nursing home in [Massena, New York](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massena,_New_York), as the original hospital closed; however, she would often escape to a nearby bar, with employees in the nursing home having to find her. Consequently, she was moved back to the new mental institution.
From Wikipedia on her later life On May 27, 1922, Munson attempted suicide by swallowing a solution of bichloride of mercury.[30] Later life and death On June 8, 1931, Munson's mother petitioned a judge to commit her to a mental asylum. The Oswego County judge ordered Munson be admitted into a psychiatric facility for treatment on her 40th birthday.[8] She remained in the St. Lawrence State Hospital for the Insane in Ogdensburg, New York, where she was treated for depression and schizophrenia for 65 years, until she died at the age of 104. During her stay at the institution, she often maintained her physical beauty with milk, yogurt and urine.[16][31]
In the mid-1950s, Munson was still famous enough to serve as the subject of an anecdote in a memoir that P.G. Wodehouse and Guy Bolton wrote of their years on Broadway, Bring on the Girls! (1953), though that memoir is considered more fiction than fact by Wodehouse's biographer.[32][a]
Munson had no visitors at the asylum for over 25 years after her mother died in 1958, until her half-niece, Darlene Bradley, rediscovered her in 1984, when Munson was 93.[1] In the mid-1980s, Munson, in her mid-90s, was moved to a nursing home in Massena, New York, as the original hospital closed; however, she would often escape to a nearby bar, with employees in the nursing home having to find her. Consequently, she was moved back to the new mental institution. By the time she turned 100, she had no teeth and lost much of her hearing but was otherwise in good health.[34] Shortly after her 100th birthday, Munson broke a hip. Munson died on February 20, 1996, at the age of 104. At the time only one local newspaper reported her death.[35] She was buried at New Haven Cemetery in New Haven, New York, and she received a headstone on her grave on June 8, 2016, 20 years after her death and on what would have been her 125th birthday.[36]
摘自维基百科关于她晚年的记录:
1922年5月27日,曼森试图通过吞服氯化汞溶液自杀。
晚年与去世:
1931年6月8日,曼森的母亲向法官申请将她关进精神病院。奥斯威戈县(Oswego County)法官下令在曼森40岁生日当天将她送入精神病设施接受治疗。她在纽约州奥格登斯堡(Ogdensburg)的圣劳伦斯州立精神病院(St. Lawrence State Hospital for the Insane)住了65年,接受抑郁症和精神分裂症的治疗,直到104岁去世。在收容所期间,她经常用牛奶、酸奶和尿液来维持自己的美貌。
20世纪50年代中期,曼森的名气依然大到足以成为P.G.伍德豪斯(P.G. Wodehouse)和盖伊·博尔顿(Guy Bolton)在回忆录《把姑娘们带上来!》(Bring on the Girls!, 1953)中一段轶事的素材,尽管伍德豪斯的传记作者认为这本回忆录虚构成分多于事实。
她母亲1958年去世后,曼森在收容所里有超过25年无人问津,直到1984年她93岁时,继侄女达琳·布拉德利重新找到了她。80年代中期,90多岁的曼森因原医院关闭被转移到纽约马塞纳的一家疗养院;但她经常溜去附近的酒吧,不得不由员工找回。结果,她又被送回了新的精神病机构。到了100岁时,她牙齿掉光,听力也丧失大半,但身体状况尚可。100岁生日后不久,曼森摔断了髋骨。1996年2月20日,曼森在104岁时去世。当时只有一家当地报纸报道了她的死讯。她被安葬在纽约州纽黑文(New Haven)的公墓,直到2016年6月8日,也就是她去世20年后,在她本应是125岁生日那天,墓地上才立起了墓碑。
kamace1120 赞2025/8/12
My great grandmother was hospitalized from 1922 till her death in 1967. She was in her early 20s when she went in. She had postpartum depression that we think led to some other mental condition. Her husband told her children she died, they only found out when she actually died and they were contacted. That's to say, long-term institutionalization like that did happen. It is surprising this lady was kept into the 90s but by that time, she may not have been able to function outside.
She was the model for many statues in NYC. She's on the top of the Municipal Building, some monuments too. There is a biography of her that is heartbreaking, The Curse of Beauty by James Bone.
她是纽约很多雕像的模特。市政厅大楼顶上的雕像就是她,还有不少纪念碑也是。
MissSuzysRevenge86 赞2025/8/12
Thank you for mentioning the name of the book. I remember hearing about her and the biography, wrote down the name and lost it. To the library!
感谢提到这本书的名字。我记得听说过她和这本传记,写下了名字结果搞丢了。出发,去图书馆!
Tdakiddi281 赞2025/8/12
Those must have been a painful 74 years.
那74年一定很难熬。
WestleyThe111 赞2025/8/12
She clearly was troubled mentally so I’d say it was a painful 104 years
她显然精神一直有问题,所以我说那104年都很难熬。
robreinerstillmydad216 赞2025/8/12
From Wikipedia: On June 8, 1931, Munson's mother petitioned a judge to commit her to a mental asylum. The Oswego County judge ordered Munson be admitted into a psychiatric facility for treatment on her 40th birthday. She remained in the St. Lawrence State Hospital for the Insane in Ogdensburg, New York, where she was treated for depression and schizophrenia for 65 years, until she died at the age of 104. During her stay at the institution, she often maintained her physical beauty with milk, yogurt and urine.
It has been used as a beauty treatment since Roman times and was particularly popular in the early 20th century. It's advisable to use your own piss, not that I'm in the habit of rubbing it on my face.
There was a girl in my high-school who once slipped up and told some people she used her piss to wash her face, and she never lived that down. It's the only think I ever knew about her and here I am 30 years later still talking about it.
Oh man, she probably still randomly remembers that a few times a year while drifting off to sleep
天呐,她估计每年睡觉前还得冷不丁想起来这事儿一次。
Joskam28 赞2025/8/12
Urea is contained in many skin care products.
尿素确实是很多护肤品的成分。
wf3h353 赞2025/8/12
You read that right... yogurt \*cringes\*
你没看错……酸奶 *一阵恶寒*
nutria_twiga32 赞2025/8/12
She was in a an asylum, so it definitely tracks.
她那时候在精神病院住着呢,所以这事儿完全解释得通。
yesitsyourmom53 赞2025/8/12
That’s one of the saddest things I’ve ever heard. Poor woman.
这绝对是我听过最惨的事情之一了,可怜的女人。
VidaLinn45 赞2025/8/12
Urine is common, especially in that era. I know many a “sane” person from that generation that swears by it. So that’s not insane behavior, she probably learned that from her own mother
Holy shit she grew up right down the road where I live now and died in the town I got married in. Wild
我靠,她长大的地方就在我现住地那条路上,死的地方还是我结婚的那个镇。真特么离谱。
Invested_Glory15 赞2025/8/12
Foreshadowing?!?
这是伏笔吗?!
[已删除]65 赞2025/8/12
She was beautiful. Someone or something broke this beauty’s heart and soul, she deserved better.
她曾经那么美。不知道是谁还是什么东西,摧毁了这位美人的心和灵魂,她本该得到更好的结局。
the_sweetest_peach73 赞2025/8/12
Likely mental illness, the harsh stigma around mental illnesses, conditions, and disorders at the time, and lack of knowledge or treatment options for her. Back in “the day,” people who were challenged with mental struggles of one form or another were not discussed, they were sent away.
Or worse, they were lobotomized.
Like Rosemary Kennedy
更惨的是,他们还会被做前额叶切除手术。就像罗斯玛丽·肯尼迪那样。
Siduch18 赞2025/8/12
Well, it’s very frequent that these stories are with super models. I think it’s both the high expectations put on them, along with the fact that sexualizing/romanticizing one’s body is never a healthy thing mentally
mentally ill people in general deserve better, not just the beautiful ones
心理疾病患者不论长相如何都值得被善待,而不只是那些长得好看的。
Ok_Conversation_973741 赞2025/8/12
I thought Janice Dickinson was the world's first supermodel. /s
我还以为詹妮斯·狄金森是世界上第一个超模呢。/s(反讽)
Scary-Drawer-351535 赞2025/8/12
That would be my luck. Want to die and live longer than everyone else
这倒像是我会碰上的倒霉事。想死的人反而比谁都长寿。
CarbDemon2231 赞2025/8/12
Related to YouTuber Drew Monson, according to him
据他本人所说,和 YouTuber Drew Monson 有关。
SLZRDmusic11 赞2025/8/12
There’s a bit of a theme I’ve been noticing about the way people who care about pop culture are obsessed with making their largest figures disappear. Nothing fascinates the writhing masses more than watching someone speedrun their way from the top to the bottom.
Does anyone else find it odd how no one seems to use the past tense anymore. 'attempts suicide at 30, she survives...'. How about 'attempted suicide at 30 and survived'. Is this just a US thing or modern language?