Damn, poor guy. I couldnt deal with that, my whole family. Damn
操,太惨了。要是换作我,全家都这样,我真受不了。真操蛋。
KittenBarfRainbows1,343 赞2025/8/3
If it makes you feel any better, he later found love, remarried, and moved to Basel. He remained friends with Jan and Miep Gies, and had many other friends, so he wasn't alone with his grief after the war.
如果能让你好受点的话,他后来找到了新感情,再婚并搬到了巴塞尔。他和 Jan 以及 Miep Gies 一直保持着友谊,也结识了很多其他朋友,所以战后他并没有独自沉溺在悲痛中。
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Thats quite comforting after not knowing anything else about him other than that he survived
这消息听着挺欣慰的,毕竟除了知道他活下来了之外,我对他的情况一无所知。
peachbellini2555 赞2025/8/3
He married a woman who survived the holocaust with her daughter- the daughter is still alive.
他娶了一位和大屠杀中幸存下来的女儿一起活下来的女性——那个女儿现在还健在。
AdHorror7596420 赞2025/8/3
I saw a talk by the daughter (Otto's stepdaughter) several years ago. (At least 10 years ago. I don't remember the exact year.) Before her family and the Frank family went into hiding, they lived in the same apartment block as the Franks, and she would sometimes play with Anne. They were around the same age.
Honestly insane to think about. Like my great grandmother was 15 years older than all three of them. Kind of like realizing that Ruby Bridges is only 70.
When my great aunt arrived at Auschwitz, they got off the train and were put in an immediate “selection” (technical term) She was sent to one way, to the right, and the rest of her family sent to the left. Her family went to the gas chambers and then put in the ovens. Our family was killed in a moment. However she had one brother escape before the war and that’s how im alive. https://lesterjacobson.com/my-story/
Pretty much same. Two brothers lived due to multiple botched gassings. In the end the older sibling was found on the pile of “dead bodies” when his younger brother (my grandfather) pulled him out screaming to live because an American tank was at the gates. They both survived and after being saved became life long friends with the tank commander for the remainder of their lives. I was also able to meet him as a kid. Surreal to say the least. Edit: alrighty after further thinking as this was many years ago since I’ve last thought about it- they weren’t ’life long friends’ but at my grandfather’s 90th birthday the tank commander was invited to his birthday by my grandfather’s community and he showed up, my grandfather instantly recognized him once he heard the name. It was special time.
That is so unbelievably cool that they became friends with the tank commander & stayed in touch!
能跟坦克指挥官成为朋友并保持联系,这也太酷了吧!
Breatheme44438 赞2025/8/3
That’s really something. I imagine he must’ve had lifelong breathing problems or something since it was a gassing? I’m glad your grandfather realized he was alive and could pull him out.
Surprisingly they weren’t impacted too much as far as I was made aware but both did have some pretty bad coughs in their later years, whether that’s from ww2 or just old age. They were stupidly lucky as the gas just like simply didn’t work right on the days they were ‘due’ (if memory serves). They went through it multiple times and each time there was some sort of error which saved them. One time the mix wasn’t ’strong enough’ and most in the chamber lived, another attempt a pipe ruptured etc. serious luck. Then they tried putting them in mine shaft set to explode to burry the people and some of the evidence within days of being liberated and the detonator didn’t work. They went through auschwitz three times.
I have to believe that whenever they passed (of old age? The lucky ones among the most unlucky), Death must have been honored to finally welcome them. That is a hell of a survivor’s story.
Jesus, that’s awful. The PTSD they must have had. I hope they found the greatest joys later in life.
天呐,太惨了。他们肯定患有严重的创伤后应激障碍(PTSD)。希望他们余生能找到真正的快乐。
EACshootemUP35 赞2025/8/3
Yeah. I mean both seemed happy. One became a public speaker because of it. He was on various talk shows in the early 2000s. The other chose never to speak a word about it.
Holy fucking shit man that’s a crazy story. It’s absolutely sick what the Nazis did.
卧槽,兄弟,这故事太疯狂了。
EACshootemUP20 赞2025/8/3
Wasn’t just them, they’re just the main poster for ‘genocide’ and the like. There’s been hundreds of genocidal events if not many thousands of them since the dawn of written history. The Armenian genocide is rarely talked about and it’s recent, same with Sudan, Myanmar, Ethiopia, the Congo, etc. IMO if pushed far enough any society can turn towards the same form of darkness and evil. But for the most part our current place in the human time line is seen as the most peaceful overall so there’s that :)
Yes and if the US doesn't stand up to Trump it won't be long before there's another Auschwitz. The Nazis didn't start with gas chambers, they started by taking Jews' jobs away, removing their rights and deporting them. The gas chambers were the 'final solution'. The US is sliding very quickly in the same direction with immigrants. If I were an American immigrant right now I'd be frightened to death and search for any way out.
Trump isn’t the only facist to stand up to. There are things like this happening all over the world. Different PR teams and governments spinning how these “others” are dangers to society. And there are so many people down on their luck and not smart enough to see how this played out before, and how on smaller scales, it will continue to play out.
Alligator Auschwitz already exists here in the Florida Everglades.
佛罗里达大沼泽地那儿已经有“短吻鳄奥斯维辛”了。
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Oh my god, brother. Thats some of the worst ive ever read, im so sorry. I fucking hate nazis and racists, worst of the worst. I hope youre doing alright and have the best life, bud
The human mind can be extraordinary resilient if it has to be.
人类的心智在必要时可以有极强的韧性。
TakingItPeasy764 赞2025/8/3
We checked that out when we were there. It was an extremely good hiding place. Book case swiveled perfectly into place with a 100% seal. The setup of the house was pretty disorienting, and the house being in rows you couldn't tell how far back they go so it was perfect for hiding out.
Yeah, that was the first place I wanted to go when I went to Amsterdam. I’m so glad it was preserved.
对啊,我当时去阿姆斯特丹,第一个想去的地方就是那儿。真庆幸它被完整地保留下来了。
KingofCallisto126 赞2025/8/3
Me too. It was honestly emotional just being in the same place and knowing what happened
我也是。说真的,待在同一个空间里,想到曾经发生过的一切,真的很难不动容。
tommangan765 赞2025/8/3
Me and my partner cried when we were at the top in the attic. Such a moving piece of social history.
我和我对象在顶楼阁楼的时候都哭了。那段社会历史真的太让人揪心了。
DogPrestidigitator75 赞2025/8/3
It hit me most when I was looking out the window and realized I was looking at the same tree Anne had written about. Edit: I just learned the tree no longer stands. It died about 20 years ago. I saw it in the 1980s.
That’s amazing. Never really felt a pull to Amsterdam but if I go, I’d wanna visit this place. What else did you see there that’s could be added for such an impactful experience?
The cat museum is my favourite place to visit. It'd Kattenkabinet if you are interested.
猫咪博物馆(Kattenkabinet)是我最喜欢去的地方,如果你感兴趣可以去看看。
AdventurousSeaSlug704 赞2025/8/3
I visited a museum recreation of the annex. The scariest part was walking up the recreation of the wood steps because you heard the thumps of your own footsteps. All I could think of was being in the annex on the morning that they were taken and hearing the commotion below and then hearing those thumps, and knowing who was coming. It was a deeply upsetting and heartbreaking experience that it's heart to describe in words but such an incredibly well-done exhibit. If you ever have the opportunity to visit anything like that, please do. Now more than ever, we must educate and insulate purse against the idea of genocide, a term by the way which arose from the holocaust because never had there been a word to describe the intentionally industrialized and engineered murder of specific groups of humans. All this to say, poor Otto, if I were him, hearing my own footsteps would have been indescribable. I pray that he and his family and all others impacted by the Holocaust know peace in their lives.
Everyone thinks about the sounds that they would make. The sounds others make that you recognize must be deafening.
每个人想到的都是自己发出的声音。
CorrectAdhesiveness9113 赞2025/8/3
Having been to the actual museum, I agree that the stairs were the scariest part. One wrong move and you make a terrible racket. It was really foreboding, going up that staircase.
I went up the stairs too…I was really young on holiday and thought I was just visiting a museum about Anne frank. I didn’t realise I was actually going to the real attic to see where she lived…it wasn’t until we went to the door and stairs it actually hit me and it blew me away
My wife broke down in hysterical crying and wailing on those steps. She couldn’t control herself, the emotional impact was so heavy. She sat there for 20 minutes, trying to gain her composure.
Same, I also visited the house that was turned into a museum. It was quite an experience! It's located at: Westermarkt 20, 1016 GV Amsterdam, Netherlands
Note for anyone reading: reservations are needed and in high season months they’re needed months out
给看帖的朋友提个醒:必须预约,旺季的话得提前好几个月抢票。
Mooseboots199922 赞2025/8/3
They go on sale 6 weeks ahead of time, at 10am every Tuesday (which is 4am EST) Source: Woke up at 4am to book entry tickets for our summer vacation this past June.
He was a WWI German veteran and look at how Germany repaid him and his family
他曾是一战的德国老兵,看看德国最后是怎么回报他和家人的。
Lemon_Trees-22223 赞2025/8/3
A tragedy that can never be forgotten!
这是一场永远不该被遗忘的悲剧!
RoIf54 赞2025/8/3
Its weird that this story seems to be teached everywhere in the USA but not very much in Europe. I only learned about her on Reddit and I live in central Europe.
Anne Frank is definitely part of the school curriculum in the UK and Germany, and I would expect in many other European countries too.
安妮·弗兰克的故事绝对在英国和德国的学校课程里,我觉得在欧洲其他很多国家也一样。
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Yep got to meet Holocaust survivors and did a project on it that was required in middle school (somewhere between 2007-2009). I’ve heard they don’t teach it anymore these days. Edit: adding I’m in the US…where we are currently falling fast into a dictatorship & fascism
I am in Europe and I thought everyone knew about her.
我就在欧洲,我还以为大家都知道她呢。
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Speak for yourself. We all know her in the UK.
别代表所有人。在英国,我们都知道她。
Lazy-PeachPrincess144 赞2025/8/3
Incredible photo. I thought it was a pencil drawing at first
照片绝了。我一开始还以为是铅笔画呢。
_sharkbait_hoohaha22 赞2025/8/3
Oh wow, you’re right! I went back to it and now I can’t see it as otherwise.
哇靠,你说得对!我回去又看了眼,现在怎么看都觉得像铅笔画了。
Geraltzindie101 赞2025/8/3
Jordan Peterson would rat her out to the Nazis.
乔丹·彼得森要是知道了肯定会把她举报给纳粹。
Orpa__15 赞2025/8/3
And a lot of regular people did, don't forget that.
别忘了,当时很多普通人也干过这事儿。
alex7stringed24 赞2025/8/3
Of course, hes a fascist.
废话,他就是个法西斯。
T8ert0t21 赞2025/8/3
"What can be said of ourselves who do not honor objective truth in the world? That core foundational belief and pledge of factual fidelity. Alas, so when I was asked if Anne Frank and her family were in the cellar, I would not deny my soul that truth, or to the stormtroopers. There is no higher morality than that." Jorpsan Qweeferton
I have some original photos of him and his new wife, a photo of them and the man and woman who helped them during this, a photo of Anne Frank, a photo of the building and a post card with an arrow pointing where the building was. On the back of these are some dates and names and the handwriting matches Otto Franks handwriting. I found them in a first edition English version of the Diary of Anne Frank. I contacted the museum and sent them photos and they confirmed they was real and they asked if we could donate them. My parents were iffy about it and now theyre locked up in a safe that doesn't have a key, its been lost for years. 🙄 I never seen this photo. The museum said he liked writing with people that wrote him after the English version came out so they weren't too shocked that it ended up in bum fuck nowhere Oklahoma.
I have a burning need to see those. Please try to get them. I'd imagine a museum would even pay for the locksmith
我现在心里跟猫抓一样,太想看了。求求你一定要想办法搞出来。我觉得博物馆甚至愿意替你出开锁的钱。
rumpysheep83 赞2025/8/3
Think about it—two years hiding in terror. My heart goes out to them for their traumatic experiences.
想想看,整整两年活在恐惧中,过着那种躲躲藏藏的日子。一想到他们经历的那些创伤,我的心都要碎了。
EnsignNogIsMyCat67 赞2025/8/3
And the fact that they probably settled into some kind of feeling like "oh, this is working. We are safe here. We haven't been found." Obviously never truly relaxing, but thinking that they might survive long enough for the Allies to win the war. And then the annex was betrayed and the Nazis kidnapped them all. I can never think too long about the Annex without feeling sick.
They were on the very last train that took Jews from Amsterdam to Auschwitz.
他们是最后一批被从阿姆斯特丹送往奥斯威辛的犹太人。
DrunkOnRedCordial62 赞2025/8/3
I often think about that terrible moment when they heard that bookshelf door open in the daytime and knew it was all over. And poor Miep sitting at her desk downstairs watching those men storm up the stairs and then come down with the Franks and the other victims. Just so terrifying and heartbreaking to be that helpless.
I visited their house when I was 10 in 1998, 53 years after Anne Frank died. 53 years ago from right now is 1972, which sounds so recent. These horrible atrocities did not happen long ago, and as I get older the recency feels so much more significant.
I've walked through there. Wept when I saw her diary. When I understood how close she came to surviving the end of the war.
我去过那里。看到她日记时我哭了。当我意识到她离熬过战争结束只差那么一点点的时候。
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It was sound that gave them up wasn't it?
是声音把他们暴露了,对吧?
TheLegitMolasses92 赞2025/8/3
There have been theories about who turned them in, but recently I learned it might have just been poor luck—there were two men arrested for rations card fraud who worked elsewhere in the building where they hid, so the building was raided.
Thought someone grassed on them, and they found out who recently?
我还以为有人告密,而且最近才查出来是谁?
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Yes they were betrayed. There are several theories as to who it was but nothing concrete.
是的,他们是被出卖的。关于告密者是谁有好几种说法,但没有确凿的定论。
MyDamnCoffee17 赞2025/8/3
They figured out who?!
他们查出是谁了?!
Joperhop68 赞2025/8/3
Latest theory I believe is Arnold Van den Bergh sold them out to try and save his own family (he was Jewish).
我觉得最新的说法是,阿诺德·范登伯格出卖了他们,是为了保住他自己家人(他是个犹太人)。
bambi5448 赞2025/8/3
God that’s horrible. What a terrible position to be in.
我的天啊,太惨了。这处境真是太糟了。
GazelleOne156733 赞2025/8/3
I think a neighbor's rumor / tip that authorities investigated on.
我觉得是邻居的传言/举报引起了当局的调查。
Amuseco20 赞2025/8/3
I recommend the miniseries A Small Light. It’s from the perspective of Anne Frank’s friend. It shows how they hid and what gave them away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Small_Light How to watch: > A Small Light premiered on National Geographic on May 1, 2023.[17][18] It was released on Disney+ and Hulu on May 2, 2023.[19][20] It later aired on Freeform on May 6, 2023.[21][22]
我推荐看迷你剧《微光》。它以安妮·弗兰克的朋友的视角讲述了他们是怎么躲藏的,以及他们是怎么暴露的。
hooliganmike32 赞2025/8/3
I always wondered how you could hide an entire attic. I understand how you could hide the entrance, but the existence of an attic? Then I checked this page:
https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/secret-annex/ And it wasn't just an attic, it was 3 entire floors of the building that were "hidden". Seems even harder to believe, not that I don't.
我一直想不通怎么能藏起整个阁楼。藏入口我能理解,但阁楼本身的存在呢?然后我查了下这个页面:
NewNameAgainUhg22 赞2025/8/3
It's because the building is in fact two Dutch houses together. Those houses have a lot of hidden spaces behind the walls.
那是因为这栋楼其实是两栋荷兰房子连起来的。那些房子墙后面有很多隐藏空间。
lordcaylus18 赞2025/8/3
It'd be impossible if not for the particular structure of 'rijtjeshuizen' ('homes in a row'). Imagine mismatched houses glued together so that every street is one big building, and without much structure / symmetry in size / number of rooms on every floor, position of staircases etc. I don't have a ground floor, my downstairs neighbour doesn't have an attic, and multiple of our rooms on the 1st and 2nd floor are directly next to each other. It's very disorientating. If I were to hide my attic, it'd never be found - even if you just counted number of floors and found I'm 'missing' one, it'd be far more logical to think one of the neighbours has ownership of the attic. It's quite hard to explain in words, but basically modern standardized houses could never 'hide' rooms the way the old ones could.
What happened to the snitch? Did the find out who it was?
那个告密者后来怎么样了?查到是谁了吗?
NotLucasDavenport43 赞2025/8/3
A new book came out about who gave them up. I read it awhile ago but here’s what I remember: the key suspect from the book “The Betrayal of Anne Frank” was Arnold van den Bergh, a member of the Jewish Council who may have given up the occupants of the Secret Annex to save his own family. There’s evidence that Otto Frank suspected him, including a note in Frank’s handwriting that names Arnold van den Bergh. He also said in an early interview that the person who had given them up “died long ago” and van den Bergh died five years after the war ended. Other people who were considered were a warehouse worker or a cleaner. They also briefly suspected that the people living around the corner may have figured out that they were hiding Jews because they had too many groceries for the number of people in the office. That theory was abandoned when it was discovered after the war that those grocers were also hiding Jews.
That’s the tragedy. You didn’t know who was good or evil. They had to hide from their neighbors who were also helping others.
这就是悲剧啊。你分不清谁是好人谁是坏人。他们不得不躲着邻居,而那些邻居本身也可能在帮助其他人。
vote4boat23 赞2025/8/3
Never Agai...wait never mind
再也不……等等,当我没说。
Dangerous-TX97214 赞2025/8/3
That was a mind-blowing place to visit in Amsterdam. I was surprised at how many journals she had filled up, the top floor had about 20(?) or so on display. I only thought she had the one diary, I was wrong.
If you got access to a VR headset, check out the entire hideout in the Anne Frank VR app, it's phenomenal. I remember that entrance very well from the experience. You open it manually.
要是有 VR 设备的话,一定要去体验一下 Anne Frank VR 这个应用,整个藏身处都能看,绝了。我对那个入口印象特别深,得亲手把它打开。
Fkingcherokee10 赞2025/8/3
As a society, we made a grave mistake by removing Anne Frank's diary from the required reading list. While the atrocities of the Holocaust are well known, seeing through the eyes of a child who had to hide her existence just hits different. And it was removed because of her description of puberty, after HER FATHER removed any pages that he found to be too descriptive of the subject. Taking this book out of school and public libraries screwed up generations of people.
It takes an incredibly strong man to go back there in front of the world as the lone survivor, but you can see their ghosts in his eyes, I swear you can. He probably felt so numb when that picture was taken and may have had to recover for like a few days afterwards. All conjecture, but as someone with basically lifelong PTSD, that’s what I’m gleaning.
IIRC, the worst part is that they were outed by someone they were close with.
如果我没记错的话,最让人难受的是,出卖他们的人竟然是他们的熟人。
99923GR6 赞2025/8/3
Not that it matters to the power of the picture, but I understand that the modern thinking is that they were not betrayed. The unit that discovered the Frank family was not primarily responsible for seeking out Jews but investigating ration card fraud. Some people now think that it was just the mechanics of trying to obtain food for the extra people beyond what should have been there that led the authorities to search closely.
Otto's life was like a rollercoaster that keeps going down. He grew up wealthy, but his family lost most of their wealth due to the war and discrimination. But he still had a small business and a wife and kids and was living a simply, middle class life despite the hardships and increasing discriminations. Then the concentration camp happened and he lost everything.