法国殖民士兵用铁链拖拽着两名阿尔及利亚男子——这是阿尔及利亚殖民历史中一段黑暗的记忆。
法国殖民士兵拖着两名戴着镣铐的阿尔及利亚男子——这是阿尔及利亚殖民时期一段黑暗历史的警示。
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[已删除]356 赞2025/7/31
reading comments here made me realize so many ppl were not even aware of what french algerian war of independence was… and fucking savage the french were even in the 1950-60s
看了这儿的评论我才意识到，好多人居然连阿尔及利亚独立战争是啥都不知道……更别提法国在50-60年代到底有多他妈残暴了。
DebakedBeans188 赞2025/7/31
No one knows this history because France buried it. It's barely brushed over in schools. I'm half Algerian and never knew the extent of it until a few years ago. There's also a lack of outrage because of how rampant racism is. I really recommend reading 'Architecture of Counterrevolution' by Samia Henni, which really digs into systems of oppression, displacement, surveillance, and control of the Algerian population. Edit: please see the comments of people referring to Algerian resistance as "terrorism" and defending colonialism TO THIS DAY as proof of the deeply colonialist and racist legacy that is nurtured and grown like so much mould in present-day France Edit2 : I really appreciate hearing from fellow Algerian people, mixed or not. It feels so nice to be a part of such a keystone community in France and I've been so enlightened finding out more about our history and not the version of events we're normally served. I think French people in the comments protesting about whether or not Algerians were allowed an independentist movement and still perceiving resistance against a brutal military colonial regime as unnecessary are really driving my point home in a major way and showing the dire need for a proper education on the subject. As I mentioned, French military archives from the Algerian occupation have only just become public in 2022, and researchers are now working with more material than ever. There is a reason why people abroad know so little of the Algerian war and struggle for independence, so we must keep talking about it. Remember that there is a reason why people are jumping through elaborate hoops trying to justify colonial violence. Do not let them!!!
没人知道这段历史，因为法国把它给埋了。在学校里这事儿基本就是一笔带过。我是阿根廷裔混血，直到几年前才知道事情到底有多严重。而且因为现在的种族歧视太猖獗了，大家也根本不在乎。我强烈推荐读一下萨米亚·亨尼（Samia Henni）写的《反革命建筑》（Architecture of Counterrevolution），这本书真正深挖了针对阿尔及利亚人民的压迫、流离失所、监控和控制系统。
补充：看看评论区里那些管阿尔及利亚反抗运动叫“恐怖主义”，甚至到现在还在为殖民主义洗地的人吧，这就证明了那套殖民主义和种族主义的毒瘤在当今法国就像霉菌一样还在滋生蔓延。
补充2：我真的很感谢能听到同胞们的声音，不论是不是混血。能成为法国这个核心社区的一份子感觉真好。在了解到我们真实的历史，而不是平时被灌输的那套说辞后，我真的深受启发。我觉得评论区里那些还在纠结阿尔及利亚人到底该不该搞独立运动，还觉得反抗残暴的军事殖民政权是不必要的法国人，简直是在帮我论证观点，这更显示了对这一课题进行正规教育有多么迫切。正如我提到的，阿尔及利亚占领时期的法国军事档案直到2022年才解密，研究人员现在才有了更多的资料。国外的人对阿尔及利亚战争和独立斗争知之甚少是有原因的，所以我们必须不停地说下去。记住，总有人费尽心思去为殖民暴力找借口是有原因的。千万别让他们的阴谋得逞！！！
Amap0la46 赞2025/7/31
Visit the military museum in Algiers! My 8 year old definitely knows now lol worth it
快去参观阿尔及尔的军事博物馆！我那8岁的孩子现在肯定全都知道了，哈哈，绝对值得。
Symetrie28 赞2025/7/31
You 8 year old is now more conscious than many French politicians
你家8岁小孩现在都比很多法国政客更有觉悟。
Both-Witness-260552 赞2025/7/31
I'm French and i learned it in school in the 90s. It's not buried, it's just ugly. And you got tons of sources of this period. How people who fought nazis 15 years before where using the same methods and so on, torture, execution without trial, the guillotine working every day etc etc.
我是法国人，我在90年代上学时学过这段历史。
它并没有被埋没，只是真相太丑陋了。
关于这段时期你有成堆的资料来源。
看看那些15年前刚打完纳粹的人，是怎么用着同样的手段去对付别人的：严刑拷打、未经审判就处决、天天开动的断头台等等等等。
Maxyboy97435 赞2025/7/31
Still remember seeing some comments that sounded like French nationalists. How Algeria would come crawling back to France asking for forgiveness, it felt sick that this is how they dehumanize their desire for independence
还记得看到过一些评论，听起来就像法国民族主义者。说什么阿尔及利亚迟早会爬着回来求法国原谅，这种把对方追求独立的诉求“非人化”的言论真的让人作呕。
DebakedBeans25 赞2025/7/31
They still do and have tried to police Algeria even after independence. A couple years ago our government [pressured Algeria to change their revised anthem as it mentioned French colonialism.](https://trt.global/world/article/13611596)
他们现在还在这么干呢，独立后还总想对阿尔及利亚指手画脚。几年前，我们政府还[施压阿尔及利亚，要求修改修订后的国歌，因为歌词里提到了法国殖民统治。](https://trt.global/world/article/13611596)
131 赞2025/7/31
These comments are insane
这些评论简直疯了。
44 赞2025/7/31
Colonialism is back on table boys! /s
兄弟们，殖民主义又重回台面啦！/s（反讽）
91 赞2025/7/31
I know, I came in here thinking, "ok there's no way redditors will defend this vile shit." First comment: "well you know, maybe they were criminals." Like DUDE.
我懂，我进来的时候还在想：“行吧，Reddit上的网友总不至于帮这种烂事儿洗地吧。”
23 赞2025/8/1
Sadly, some people here seem more interested in justifying oppression than having an honest discussion
遗憾的是，这里有些人似乎更热衷于为压迫辩解，而不是进行真诚的讨论。
31 赞2025/7/31
What do you expect, sub is filled with Nazi Zionists.
你还指望什么？这版里到处都是纳粹犹太复国主义者。
92 赞2025/7/31
When staying in France came across some pics that someone tried to burn in the fire of Algeria. Some pretty shady images. What happens on the road stays on the road.
在法国待着的时候，偶然看到了一些别人试图在阿尔及利亚战火中烧毁的照片。
23 赞2025/7/31
What did you see?
你看见啥了？
85 赞2025/7/31
This sub is infested with nostalgic colonial freaks, or zionists. Same cancer.
这版里全是怀念殖民时代的怪胎，或者犹太复国主义者。根本就是一样的毒瘤。
17 赞2025/7/31
Zionist terrorist bots
犹太复国主义恐怖分子水军。
80 赞2025/7/31
I see why my Algerian friend don’t fw France
我终于明白为什么我阿尔及利亚朋友那么讨厌法国了。
59 赞2025/7/31
My blood boils when I see these photos. We, Vietnamese, beat the crap out of them in 1954 but after that instead of granting us a unified independent country they called in extremely heavy cavalry and we had to fight for our freedom for another 20 years against Americans. My work passee French embassy and everytime I see it I wanna sling poo on that building.
看到这些照片我简直火冒三丈。我们越南人1954年把他们打得落花流水，结果他们非但不给我们一个统一独立的国家，反而搬来了美军这种重火力，害得我们为了自由又跟美国人打了20年。我上班路过法国大使馆，每次看到那栋楼我都想往上面扔屎。
38 赞2025/7/31
The entire planet has a dark past.
整个地球都有段黑暗历史。
39 赞2025/7/31
Man came too ‘All Lives Matter’ this one. \*take several seats.
哥们儿居然跑来这儿玩“所有人的命都重要”那一套。
35 赞2025/7/31
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32 赞2025/7/31
Would you like to see French soldiers posing with Algerian heads ?
你想看法国士兵和阿尔及利亚人头颅的合影吗？
20 赞2025/7/31
That would be a photo that requires no context, are you saying the context for this photo is that these Algerians are about to be executed?
那种照片根本不需要什么语境，你是在说这张照片的语境是这些阿尔及利亚人快要被处决了吗？
15 赞2025/7/31
Reddit is insane. I thought there's no way redditors will defend this fucked up shit: Redditors: "well maybe they were like criminals or something. They shouldn't have committed a crime." Another comment actually tried the whole "muh both sides equally bad". Like I don't think any of you motherfuckers would be saying that same shit if your own country got invaded and brutalized like that. Real easy to talk all that shit behind a computer. It's the same mentality that bullies have. "You weaker, I use force to dominate you." Honestly, that's so sick and fucked up.
Reddit 真是有病。我本来以为 Redditor 不至于给这种烂事儿洗地：
结果 Redditor 说：“嗯，也许他们是罪犯之类的吧。他们不该犯罪。”
另一条评论甚至还玩起了“各打五十大板”那套把戏。
我敢说，要是你们自己的国家被入侵、被那样虐待，你们这些混蛋绝对说不出这种屁话。躲在电脑后面喷粪简直太容易了。这本质上就是霸凌者的心理：“你弱，我就用武力统治你。”
讲真，这真的既恶心又变态。
30 赞2025/8/1
During the independance war, Paris police lead by Maurice Papon (took part in the deportation of Jews) murdered between 48 and 200 Algerians, taking part in a pacific demonstration for independence, by throwing them in the Seine, beat them to death or shot them. Papon will be convicted for crimes against humanity for his role in the deportation of Jews in 1998. He never faced consequences for the 17 October 1961 massacre
独立战争期间，由莫里斯·帕蓬（曾参与驱逐犹太人）领导的巴黎警察，杀害了 48 到 200 名阿尔及利亚人。这些人当时只是在进行和平的独立示威，却被警察扔进塞纳河淹死、活活打死或枪杀。
28 赞2025/7/31
My grandfather was a paratrooper in the French foreign legion and was in Algeria for several weeks. I interviewed him before he passed away and it was very interesting.
He fled from his abusive step father after the ending of WW2 and joined the legion at the age of 17, lying about his age. He was seeking an adventure and joined the paratroopers as a sniper, because that was the branch with the most action. It was very important for him to tell me that he never shot civilians and prisoners (ofc I can't check on that). His first mission was the protection of French oil fields in the south, after that he was part of the French counter insurgency campaign. From the stories he told me the Arabs were very brutal as well, force recruiting minors and committing terrorist acts against civilians. He ended up in the coup Etat against Charles de Gaulle, after generals who didn't share his vision of independence for Algeria rebelled. It's an incredible story in my opinion. PS: I don't want to justify or detract from the French crimes committed in Algier, which probably dwarfed actions by the Arab rebels. This is just the perspective of one young soldier in the foreign legion.
我爷爷曾是法国外籍兵团的伞兵，在阿尔及利亚待过几周。在他去世前我采访过他，内容非常有趣。
二战结束后，为了逃离虐待他的继父，他在17岁时谎报年龄加入了外籍兵团。他当时寻求冒险，加入了伞兵团当狙击手，因为那是战斗最激烈的兵种。他郑重地告诉我，他从没射杀过平民和战俘（当然，我没法去核实）。
他的第一个任务是保护法国在南部的油田，之后他参与了法国的反叛乱行动。据他讲，阿拉伯人也非常残暴，强征未成年人入伍，还对平民发动恐怖袭击。后来他卷入了针对戴高乐的政变，因为那些将军们不同意戴高乐对阿尔及利亚独立的设想。在我看来，这真是段不可思议的故事。
PS：我不想为法国在阿尔及利亚犯下的罪行找借口或减轻责任，那些暴行可能远超阿拉伯反抗军的行为。这仅仅是一个外籍兵团年轻士兵的视角。
22 赞2025/7/31
And we wonder why the legacy of colonialism is still felt to this day.
居然还有人奇怪为什么殖民主义的影响至今仍未消散。
15 赞2025/7/31
Felt? More like colonialism is becoming mainstream again.
“感受”到了吗？
与其说感受到了，不如说殖民主义又开始回潮了。
18 赞2025/7/31
theres a picture of beheaded algerian next to french soldiers, that one stuck with me...western colonization was just terrorism but we somehow dont call it that!
有一张法国士兵和阿尔及利亚人断头合影的照片，那张图我一直印象深刻……西方的殖民统治本质上就是恐怖主义，但我们居然从来不这么称呼它！
13 赞2025/8/1
Watch the movie Algiers or read the wiki article about the war. Both sides were brutal, towards the end of the war the French more so. In the end the Algerians have the moral upper hand because the French colonized them.
去看《阿尔及尔之战》或者读读那场战争的维基百科吧。双方都很残暴，到战争后期法方更甚。最终，阿尔及利亚人占据了道德制高点，因为毕竟是法国人殖民了他们。
19 赞2025/8/1
Exactly. Brutality existed on both sides, but one side was fighting for independence and dignity, the other for maintaining control over a colonized people. That moral difference matters
说得对。残暴是双方都有，但一方是为了独立和尊严而战，另一方则是为了维持对被殖民者的控制。这种道德层面的差异至关重要。
10 赞2025/8/1
It really does highlight the absurdity of racism doesn’t it? If you changed their clothes and told me those were two southern French guys I would believe you. The in-groups and out-groups are not actually defined by physical features or even cultural distinctions (at least not fundamentally), but by power. If you're the French or the English and you have power, then you are 'one of us' and will do what you can, and if you're Algerian, Indian, Irish etc. and you don't have power, then you are the 'other' and will suffer as you must. So it has ever been.
这确实揭示了种族主义有多荒谬，不是吗？你要是给他们换身衣服，跟我说这俩是法国南部人，我绝对信。所谓的“圈内人”和“圈外人”，根本不是由外貌特征甚至文化差异来定义的（至少本质上不是），而是由权力定义的。
9 赞2025/7/31
Defending and bothsidesing colonialism go brrrr
为殖民主义洗地还搞什么“双方都有错”，这种操作真是有够下头的。
8 赞2025/7/31
France is still doing despicable shit in Africa. But of course EU doesn’t care. Trash.
法国在非洲干的那些龌龊事儿到现在还没停呢。当然了，欧盟根本不在乎。真垃圾。
7 赞2025/7/31
This is a nice video about a famous Algerian resistance leader Abd El-Kader, he was known for his compassion and human rights. Even french prisoners became later followerers or was meeting him in France when he was locked up, He also protected christians from being massacered in Syria. It's a very inspring and interesting story, a kind of the Algerian Ghandi. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjgPr3zlBE&t=260s&pp=ygUaQWxnZXJpYSBsZXRzIHRhbGsgcmVsaWdpb24%3D
这里有一个关于阿尔及利亚著名反抗领袖阿卜杜·卡迪尔（Abd El-Kader）的视频，他以仁慈和人权意识而闻名。
甚至连法国战俘后来都成了他的追随者，或者在他被囚禁在法国时去探望他。
他还曾保护基督徒免受叙利亚的屠杀。
这是一个非常鼓舞人心且有趣的故事，他简直就是阿尔及利亚的甘地。
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjgPr3zlBE&t=260s&pp=ygUaQWxnZXJpYSBsZXRzIHRhbGsgcmVsaWdpb24%3D
7 赞2025/8/1
I have seen worse pics, I am algerian and french by birth. And i have met so many freaks in france that miss those days. My gramma was one of the women who has to get face tats to stop the french soliders from forcing themselves on her.
我见过更惨的照片，我生来就是阿尔及利亚人和法国人。
而且我在法国见过了太多怀念那些日子的怪胎。
我祖母就是那些被迫在脸上刺青，以防法国士兵对她施暴的女性之一。
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Ah the righteous French.
啊，高尚的法国人，呵呵。
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Watch "The Battle of Algiers". It was banned in France for a decade.
去看下《阿尔及尔之战》吧。这片子在法国都被禁了十年。
5 赞2025/7/31
Every day I am served a dark reminder that everything on this platform is written by AI
我每天都被无情地提醒：这个平台上的一切评论都是AI写的。
5 赞2025/7/31
many people, especially in the West, view france as this liberal country that loves everyone. We in Africa have not seen that side at all, so when africans say they dont like the french government or its policies in Africa, why are we shut down and painted as if we are saying propaganda? France did good and bad in Africa, but they did more bad than good and you can call me a liar of propagandist if you dont belive me or dont like what i say, but that doesn't change the facts and you dont know more about my own continent than me
很多人，尤其是西方人，把法国看作是一个爱所有人的自由主义国家。
我们在非洲根本没见过那一面，所以当非洲人说他们不喜欢法国政府及其在非洲的政策时，为什么我们总是被禁言，被描绘成在散布宣传？法国在非洲做了好事也做了坏事，但坏事做得比好事多。如果你不信或者不喜欢听这些，你可以叫我是骗子或宣传机器，但这改变不了事实，而且你对我这片大陆的了解绝不会比我多。
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I don't see a chain..
我没看见什么链子啊……
4 赞2025/7/31
As a Moroccan, I have my eternal respects to our Algerian brothers who gave their life fighting the Colonial Invader. France, in one of the longest and most brutal Independence wars in the Arab World (eight long years). May their soul rest in peace.
作为摩洛哥人，我向那些为了反抗殖民侵略者而献出生命的阿尔及利亚兄弟们致以永恒的敬意。法国发动的这场独立战争，是阿拉伯世界历时最长、也最残酷的战争之一（整整八年）。愿他们安息。
3 赞2025/8/1
Colonialism is alive and well and thriving to this day based on these disgusting comments , what a shame.
看看这些令人作呕的评论就知道，殖民主义时至今日依然活得好好的，甚至还在大行其道，真是丢人现眼。