20世纪70年代罗得西亚丛林战争期间，一名穿着运动鞋的罗得西亚士兵正在抽烟休息。
20世纪70年代，罗得西亚丛林战争期间，一名穿着运动鞋的罗得西亚士兵正在抽烟休息。
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AenonTown13302 赞2025/7/13
Interesting comments…now I must go down this rabbit hole.
评论有点意思……看来我得去深挖一下这个坑了。
trixel12141 赞2025/7/14
this sub only shows up on popular when it's Rhodesia or North Africa. If I had a nickel every time this sub shows up, I'd have a couple nickels and it's weird that it keeps happening.
这个版块只有提到罗得西亚或者北非的时候才会上热门。如果我每次看到这版块上热门都能赚五分钱的话，我现在也就攒了那一毛两毛的，但这事儿老发生确实挺离谱的。
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/10/magazine/rhodesia-zimbabwe-white-supremacists.html
Master_Status576497 赞2025/7/14
It’s comical to me that out of all the places the White supremacists tried to have their own state was a place surrounded by black people, for hundreds of miles. Why not try Europe or something?
我觉得特搞笑的一点是，那些白人至上主义者选来选去，非要在周围几百英里全是黑人的地方建国。怎么不去欧洲或者别的地方试试呢？
FreeRemove193 赞2025/7/14
>Why not try Europe or something? Well, they kind of *did....*
>怎么不去欧洲或者别的地方试试呢？
Master_Status576424 赞2025/7/14
lmao true
笑死，确实。
MarshallDavoutsSlut20 赞2025/7/14
There are several eastern European states that effectively achieved that via the Nazis.
有好几个东欧国家当年在纳粹的操弄下，实际上就是这么干的。
jdanielregan29 赞2025/7/14
Sounds about white.
很白人，这很符合他们的调性。
RiddickWins200025 赞2025/7/14
Just look at Israel nothing but Arabs for miles to see but hey this is a great place to put a country
看看以色列就知道了，周围全是阿拉伯人，但他们还是觉得“嘿，这就是建国的好地方”。
Soft-Twist247823 赞2025/7/14
White supremacy is an oversimplification of how Rhodesia chose to incorporate and restrict ethnic diversity. While there is evidence of supremist ideology, it is often intermixed with elements of an oligarchy that reinforces ethnic supremacy to maintain an established hierarchy of power. Racism is often just another tool in the arsenal of union busting
说“白人至上”其实把罗得西亚如何选择纳入和限制民族多样性的复杂情况给简单化了。
虽然确实有白人至上主义意识形态的证据，但它往往与寡头政治的元素交织在一起，通过强化种族优越感来维护既定的权力阶层。
种族主义通常只是打击工会者武器库里的又一个工具罢了。
AnalMohawk124 赞2025/7/13
I mean, lacking accountability is inherent in white supremacy.
我是说，缺乏问责机制本身就是白人至上主义的固有特征。
DapperHamster127 赞2025/7/14
Are you trying to tell me it wasn’t actually Hitler and the Nazi’s fault that their country was nearly annihilated when they lost a war of annihilation they started? /s
你是想告诉我，纳粹德国发动了灭绝战争却最终战败，导致国家几近毁灭，这事儿其实赖不到希特勒和纳粹头上咯？/s（反讽）
TheBlueGooseisLoose17 赞2025/7/14
Lions led by donkeys podcast did a few episodes on these shitbags. They actually got feedback from a fan who said he found a grave of one of the white trash and pissed on it. Well done!
《由驴领导的狮子》（Lions led by donkeys）播客专门做了几期节目讲这帮人渣。有个听众反馈说他找到了这帮白人垃圾其中一个的墓，还在上面撒了泡尿。干得漂亮！
Nice-Percentage721923 赞2025/7/14
Zimbabwe didn't turn out so great with a black government so....
津巴布韦在黑人政府治下也没好到哪去，所以嘛……
BonJovicus27 赞2025/7/14
Finish the sentence. Are you seriously trying to advocate for the existence of a state for White supremacists?
把话说完。你真的在为白人至上主义国家的存在背书吗？
PowerlineCourier25 赞2025/7/13
America's participation in the Rhodesian white ethnostate is hilarious and pathetic, look into soldier of fortune magazine and the exploits of kissinger
美国参与罗得西亚那个白人种族国家简直又荒唐又可悲，去查查《雇佣兵》（Soldier of Fortune）杂志和基辛格干的那些破事儿吧。
Backsight-Foreskin20 赞2025/7/14
I remember reading about a guy who wanted to be a mercenary, answered a classified add in the back of Soldier of Fortune, got hired to be a soldier in some African country. The flight he was on landed just as the airport was captured by the rebel forces. Things did not go well for him after that.
我记得看过一个人的故事，他想当雇佣兵，回了《雇佣兵》杂志封底的一则分类广告，结果被雇去非洲某个国家当兵。他坐的飞机落地时，机场正好被叛军占领了。之后他的下场很惨。
LordSloth11329 赞2025/7/14
Fuck Kissinger
去他妈的基辛格。
NotApparent17 赞2025/7/14
Went out for drinks when I heard he died and laughed about it with my coworkers the next day. My only regret is that he stuck around so long.
听说他死那天我专门出去喝了一杯，第二天还跟同事一起边笑边聊这事儿。我唯一的遗憾就是这老东西活得太久了。
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A colleague in the Oil and Gas industry from South Africa had another colleague who was one of the Selous Scouts during the Bush War. The guy would occasionally get drunk and talk about his time in the scouts. One day he started talking about a recon patrol they were on. They ran into a kid herding goats. They couldn’t let him go as he would give their position away. While they were debating what to do, one guy says he’ll sort it out and walks off with the boy. Ten minutes later he walks back wiping down his knife. The guy apparently still screams himself awake at night.
我在油气行业有个南非同事，他以前有个同事是丛林战争时期“塞卢斯侦察兵”（Selous Scouts）的成员。那家伙偶尔喝多了就会吹嘘他当侦察兵时的经历。有一天他聊起有次执行侦察任务时，碰上了一个放羊的孩子。他们不能放走那孩子，因为他会暴露位置。就在大家争论该怎么办的时候，有个家伙说“我来处理”，然后就把那男孩带走了。十分钟后，那家伙走回来，随手擦了擦他的刀。
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This is a very common bit of military folklore. It is an old tale that keeps getting retold, with different wars as the background. The first time I heard it decades ago, it was set in Vietnam but it was an old tall tale even then.
这不过是军队里流传甚广的段子罢了。这种老掉牙的故事每换一场战争就被翻出来讲一遍。几十年前我第一次听到时，背景还是越战呢，但那时候它就已经是个烂俗的“江湖传闻”了。
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I don't think it's folklore. It's just how wars are. My dad had a similar experience when he was in jump school, and he was going to be deployed to Vietnam. One of his trainers was an officer who was getting drummed out, my dad respected the man, and asked why he was getting the boot. The basic story was that the army was trying to get ahead of scandals after My Lai, and the officer had ordered a village burned because his squad's patrols kept getting ambushed regularly and the only place they could find that could support enemy forces in the area was this village. The village leadership refused to give any information about the ambushers, so the officer decided to prioritize the safety of his men over these people's homes. As my dad tells it, that's when he decided to go AWOL, because he both agreed with the officer's reasoning and also never wanted to be in the position of having to make a similar choice. He spent years running from the military and dodging the FBI before his parents managed to get a lawyer that could get him amnesty, i think during the Carter era.
我倒觉得这不是什么段子，战争本来就是这副德行。我爸当年在跳伞学校受训准备去越南前，也遇到过类似的事。当时他的一位教官是个军官，正准备被踢出军队。我爸挺尊敬那人，就问他为什么要被开除。大意是说，美莱村事件后，军方急于撇清关系，而那个军官之前因为手下巡逻队频繁遇袭，发现附近唯一能给敌军提供补给的地方就是那个村子。村里的头目拒不配合提供情报，那军官为了保住手下弟兄的命，就下令烧了那个村子。
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That sounds made up. The Army was NOT kicking people out for that kind of thing. And if he was being kicked out, he wouldn't be assigned as an instructor at jump school. And if he was, he wouldn't chat about war crimes with trainees
这听着跟编的一样。军队才不会因为那种事开除人呢。再说了，要是真要被开除，他也不可能被派去当跳伞教官啊。即便真是教官，也不会跟学员闲聊这种战争罪行吧。
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Just to be clear, “good” here is referring to the war criminal being traumatized, not the African child being murdered right?
明确一下，这儿说的“好”是指那个战犯感到受创伤，而不是指那个被杀的非洲小孩吧？
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Yeah, I hope it haunts him until he dies. I hope his old age is tortured by it.
没错，希望这事儿能折磨他到死。希望他的晚年被这噩梦缠绕。
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Uk SAs Afghanistan. Shush
英国特种空勤团（SAS）在阿富汗干的那些事。
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And now the IDF are doing similar stuff to Palestinian Children. Settler colonialst tradition i guess.
现在以色列国防军（IDF）也在对巴勒斯坦小孩干同样的事。这就是所谓的定居者殖民传统吧，呵。
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Do you know anyone who has served? one of my good friends is an army ranger. he is a totally broken person. he talk abojut dying all the time. we would often get super high and he would start talking abnout being in Iraq or Afghanistan on Pakistan and would tell me crazy shit and then say why did you bring this up. i would be like motherfucker i didnt bring this up i dont know anything about this shit you brought it up. war is a terrible thing for everyone.
你认识服过役的人吗？我有个好朋友是陆军游骑兵。他现在彻底废了。他老把死挂在嘴边。我们以前经常抽大了，他就开始讲他在伊拉克、阿富汗或者巴基斯坦的事，讲些疯话，然后反问我“你提这个干嘛”。我就回他：“我操，明明是你自己提的，我对他妈的那档子事儿一窍不通，是你自己非要说。” 战争对所有人来说都是场灾难。
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I'm gonna ask it: why are there so many arguments in these comments over Rhodesia? From my limited knowledge it was a colony that practised slavery and lasted 14 years and the country that proceeded it was also racist and is crashing hard due to that; living the same death Rhodesia had. Edit: all of my assumptions were right; racists can't stop jerking it to the idea of them once holding power for less than 20 years for the six thousanth time while the "worse and incapable" institutions all outlive them by hundreds of years.
我就直说了吧：为什么评论区里关于罗得西亚有这么多争论？
据我所知，它就是一个实行奴隶制的殖民地，只存在了14年。而取代它的国家同样也是种族主义国家，现在正因为这个原因陷入崩溃，重蹈着罗得西亚当年的覆辙。
编辑：我之前的假设全对；这些种族主义者就是停不下来，一遍又一遍地为了他们那点不到20年的“权力高光时刻”自嗨，哪怕那些被他们瞧不起的“无能”机构比他们多存在了几百年。
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Rhodesia is like the Atlantis for white
supremacists because when it was ruled by a white minority it had a relatively prosperous economy, and after Mugabe took over the country fell apart.
罗得西亚简直就是白人至上主义者的“亚特兰蒂斯”。因为在白人少数派统治时期，当地经济相对繁荣，而穆加贝接手后，国家就彻底崩盘了。
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Prosperous economy for like 10% of the residents.
也就那10%的居民觉得经济繁荣吧。
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Of course - but if you look at stuff like GDP and not inequality than you can convince yourself of all sorts of stuff.
那倒是——但只要你只盯着GDP这种数据，而不看贫富差距，那你就能给自己洗脑，什么歪理都信。
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White supremacists always conveniently overlook facts lol
白人至上主义者总是习惯性地选择性失明，笑死。
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“The Atlantis for white supremacists” brilliant coinage! I recall how Rhodesia was a cause célèbre for reactionaries in the 80s.
“白人至上主义者的亚特兰蒂斯”，这词儿造得绝！我记得80年代那会儿，罗得西亚在反动派圈子里可是个“热门话题”。
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Because if you haven't noticed many historical subs are crawling with white supremacists and revisionists.
这还用问？你没发现吗，很多历史类版块里到处都是白人至上主义者和历史修正主义者。
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It’s basically a dogwhistle, racists and incels love Rhodesia and talk about it constantly, and while it existed it was a massive cultural influence on western racism and white supremacy culture.
这基本就是个“狗哨”暗号。种族主义者和那些“无性恋仇女者”（incels）超爱罗得西亚，整天把这挂在嘴边。罗得西亚存在的时候，对西方的种族主义和白人至上文化影响深远。
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During the war the Rhodesian armed forces decided to attempt to recruit foreigners to bolster it's dwindling reserves. They sent out suitably macho ads like "be a man among men" and "Terrorists stop here" which hit a nerve with the "too young to kill asians" in US society and "I want to do my bit for colonialism" crowd in the UK. They advertised in "soldier of fortune" magazine and a particular demographic in the US ate that shit up. This would probably be a similar demographic to "loves watching ICE Raids on the TV" today. Most recruits in this campaign got just enough time in the country to get pictures like this dude above and then were either sent home unsuitable or quit.
战争期间，罗得西亚军队决定招募外籍雇佣兵来填补日渐枯竭的兵力。他们发了不少主打“硬汉”形象的征兵广告，比如“做男人中的男人”或者“恐怖分子止步”。这套说辞精准踩中了美国社会那些“在亚洲杀人还没过瘾”的家伙，以及英国那些“想为殖民主义尽份心”的群体的痛点。他们在《财富士兵》（Soldier of Fortune）杂志上打广告，美国某些特定人群简直把这套吃得死死的。这群人估计和现在那些“爱看电视里播ICE（移民执法局）突袭”的人是同一拨。这些新兵里，大部分人还没在当地待够时间拍几张像上面那哥们儿一样的照片，要么就被认定不合格打发回家，要么就自己溜了。
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Cracker is a term in America that primarily black people use as a derogatory term for white people. It comes from whip cracking.
“Cracker”是美国主要由黑人使用的一个贬义词，用来称呼白人。这个词源自甩鞭子（whip cracking）的动作。
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All they had to do was converse
他们本来只需要好好谈谈的。
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Roland the Thompson Gunner. Before he found Van Owen in Mombassa drinking gin.
罗兰（Roland）那个汤普森冲锋枪手。就在他在蒙巴萨遇见喝着杜松子酒的范·欧文（Van Owen）之前。
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What a underrated reference.
这个梗被严重低估了。
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Was Rhodesia better run than Zimbabwe? Possibly. But one would have to be deluded beyond reason to believe that Black Africans should have continued living as second-class citizens in their own land. Rhodesia is gone—and rightfully so. We can (and should) criticize how ZANU has mismanaged the country, but that doesn't mean the racist regime it replaced was in any way better.
罗得西亚治理得比津巴布韦好吗？或许吧。但要是觉得黑人就该在自己的土地上继续当二等公民，那绝对是脑子进水了。罗得西亚亡了——活该。我们可以（也应当）批评津盟（ZANU）把国家搞砸了，但这不代表它取代的那个种族主义政权就有多好。
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How did that Megamind quote go? “I wouldn’t say free… more like under new management.” In this case, “under new mismanagement” is more appropriate.
《超级大坏蛋》里那句台词怎么说的来着？
“我不会说是自由……更像是换了新老板。”
在这里，“换了新倒霉经理”可能更贴切。
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Nazis trying to normalize their white supremacist bullshit with this Rhodesia garbage. We see you.
一群纳粹在这拿罗得西亚那套垃圾试图合理化他们的白人至上主义狗屁言论。我们都看着呢。
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Anyone who defends Rhodesia in any capacity is a cockroach
任何以任何形式为罗得西亚洗地的人都是蟑螂。
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For sneaking 🤓
为了潜行 🤓
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Lol wasn't thinking I would see a bunch of losers defending Rhodesia today, but here we are.
笑死，真没想到今天会看到一堆失败者在这为罗得西亚辩护，但事实就是这样。
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I can’t imagine being willing to die for “Rhodesia.” Just go home to England and listen to the Beetles while drinking tea, old chap. Editing to add an alternative statement - “Imagine being willing to die to hold on to the property your mommy and daddy stole and to keep people enslaved.” Love the downvotes. Enjoy your Sunday weeping for a slave colony that lasted a grand total of 14 years. I assume Monday is reserved for weeping over the Confederacy and Tuesday for Apartheid.
真没法想象竟然有人愿意为“罗得西亚”去死。老兄，回英国听听披头士，喝喝茶不好吗？
补充一条备选评论——“想象一下，为了保住你爹妈偷来的财产，为了继续奴役别人，居然愿意去送命。”
我就爱看这些踩。祝你们周日愉快，继续为那个总共只存在了14年的奴隶殖民地哭丧吧。我猜周一你们得为邦联哭，周二还得为种族隔离哭呢。
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They are native to that land
他们本来就是那片土地上的原住民。
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They weren't fighting to stay, they were fighting to maintain superiority over black people while exploiting them as cheap labor. There wouldn't be an effort to get the white colonizers out if they weren't there to rule over the natives rather than treat them as equals. Also a huge number of people fighting in the Rhodesian bush war were not Rhodesian. They used to advertise in American magazines. Just like the pro-apartheid terrorism a decade or two later, there were networks of recruits from connected right wing extremist organizations, from American KKK and Nazi party members to European fascist sympathisers. It was like the Spanish civil war, except the only foreigners joining were the fascists.
他们打仗不是为了留下来，而是为了在剥削黑人廉价劳动力的同时维持对他们的优越感。
如果那些白人殖民者不是为了统治土著，而是把他们当平等的人对待，根本就不会有要把他们赶出去的抗争。
另外，参加罗得西亚丛林战争的很大一部分人根本就不是罗得西亚人。他们以前还在美国杂志上打过广告。就像一二十年后支持种族隔离的恐怖活动一样，他们背后有各种右翼极端组织牵线搭桥的招募网络，从美国的3K党、纳粹党成员到欧洲的法西斯同情者都有。
这就像西班牙内战，只不过加入进来的外援全都是法西斯。
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Love the FAL. Extra drippy flip-mag, too.
爱死FAL（步枪）了。
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Rhodesian = slavery + colonialism.
罗得西亚 = 奴隶制 + 殖民主义。
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I don't know shit about this conflict but I do know that the guy in picture gives literally ZERO fucks... seems like he would not care whatsoever if he lives or dies in this photo. Wild
虽然我对这场冲突狗屁不通，但我敢肯定照片里这家伙是真·完全没在怕的……看这架势，他就算下一秒死在这儿恐怕都毫不在乎。太野了。
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not the junglemag too😭
居然连丛林弹匣都整出来了😭
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You are talking like war is a football match and he took a smoke break at half time and about to go into battle again
你这话说的，搞得战争像场足球赛似的，而他只是在中场休息抽了根烟，马上就要重回赛场了。
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a whole lot of reddit arm chair analysts in here today
今天评论区全是键盘侠啊。
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"Rhodesia" was a colonial project: those people basically tried to have an Apartheid state in the 1960's and 1970's. They rounded up black people as ~~cheap workers~~ slaves during the day, and parked them in ~~special villages~~ concentration camps at night. The belgian soldiers guarding the ~~special villages~~ concentration camps kept labelling any African trying to be free a "terrorist". And those idiots wonder why the Africans do not respect them! In their minds, they were protecting Africans from so-called "terrorists" (actual independantists). With a LOT of African people working at every possible job, and very few European colonizers to steal the profits (businessmen, farm owners, factory owners), the situation was unbearable, especially when every country around got rid of the Apartheid regimes and was more or less independant. So, of course, Rhodesia became a free state at some point and called itself Zimbabwe. If you want to see archive footage from Rhodesia, here's a belgian documentary about some of the last white farmers in Rhodesia. It's in French, and was filmed only a few years before this Apartheid bullshit collapsed. [https://www.sonuma.be/archive/rhodesie-les-croises-de-l\_empire](https://www.sonuma.be/archive/rhodesie-les-croises-de-l_empire)
“罗得西亚”就是一个殖民项目：这些人基本上是在60和70年代试图搞出一个种族隔离国家。
他们白天把黑人聚拢起来当~~廉价劳工~~奴隶，晚上就把他们关进~~特殊村庄~~集中营。
那些守着~~特殊村庄~~集中营的比利时士兵，把任何想要争取自由的非洲人都贴上“恐怖分子”的标签。然后这些蠢货还纳闷为什么非洲人不尊重他们！在他们脑子里，他们是在保护非洲人免受所谓“恐怖分子”（其实就是独立运动者）的侵害。
当大量的非洲人干着所有的活，却只有极少数欧洲殖民者（商人、农场主、工厂主）在偷走利润时，这种局面是无法维持的，尤其是当周围所有国家都摆脱了种族隔离制度并实现独立之后。
所以，罗得西亚在某个时间点自然而然变成了自由国家，并改名叫津巴布韦。
如果你想看罗得西亚的存档录像，这里有一部关于罗得西亚最后一批白人农场主的比利时纪录片。它是法语的，拍摄于种族隔离这堆烂摊子倒塌前几年。
[https://www.sonuma.be/archive/rhodesie-les-croises-de-l_empire](https://www.sonuma.be/archive/rhodesie-les-croises-de-l_empire)
12 赞2025/7/14
Had no idea Rhode Island went to war solo.
我完全不知道罗德岛州居然单枪匹马打过仗。
12 赞2025/7/14
Huh, this is one of the first pictures of a Rhodesian soldier that I’ve seen where they’re not wearing those doofy fucking shorts. Also, FALs are awesome, but they look dumb asf with that baby-puke camo the Rhodesians sprayed all over them….the comments are weird.
嘿，这还是我第一次看到罗得西亚士兵没穿那种滑稽短裤的照片。
还有，FAL步枪确实牛逼，但涂上罗得西亚人那种像婴儿呕吐物一样的迷彩之后看起来真是丑爆了……评论区真是莫名其妙。
12 赞2025/7/13
That camo was fire
那迷彩明明帅炸了好吗。
10 赞2025/7/13
Whenever Rhodesia is mentioned and the details of Rhodesian atrocities are left out, its nearly certain the op is some sort of white supremicist. Such boutique racism you've got to be really tuned in to even be aware of it. Dylann Roof shit
每当提到罗得西亚却对其中的暴行只字不提时，发帖的人基本可以肯定是个白人至上主义者。
这是一种门槛很高的种族主义，你得非常“懂行”才能意识到这一点。典型的狄伦·鲁夫（Dylann Roof）那一套。
8 赞2025/7/14
I worked with an old dude that was part of this war ,Lt Alan Balson . We were building a gas plant in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta. He told me some fucked up stories .
我以前和一个参加过这场战争的老头共事过，Alan Balson 中尉。当时我们在阿尔伯塔省的萨斯喀彻温堡建一座天然气厂。他跟我讲了一些特别操蛋的故事。
8 赞2025/7/14
t. Redditors getting pissed off at non existent comments just to feel good about themselves. Nice photo, maybe someday the land will see stability and prosperity in our lifetimes
又是这套。Reddit 上的网友总喜欢对着根本不存在的评论自个儿在那儿破防，好让自己显得特别高尚。
8 赞2025/7/14
Fuck this POS I lived in Zimbabwe during my childhood. Racist, cruel, condescending pieces of shit. I wonder how many innocent people he killed.
去他妈的这垃圾玩意儿。
我童年时期是在津巴布韦度过的。
这帮种族歧视、残忍又自以为是的狗杂种。
我真好奇他到底杀过多少无辜的人。
7 赞2025/7/13
