帕特·蒂尔曼（Pat Tillman）曾是一名NFL职业球员，也是一名反战人士，曾公开反对将反恐战争扩大到伊拉克。2004年，他在阿富汗的一次“友军误伤”事件中身亡。
帕特·蒂尔曼（Pat Tillman）曾是职业橄榄球联盟（NFL）球员，后来投身军旅。他反对将反恐战争扩大到伊拉克，最终于2004年在阿富汗的一起“友军误伤”事件中牺牲。
评论 (74)
bardown__1,778 赞2025/5/27
A tragic loss, made more painful by the deliberate effort to conceal the truth and silence the football star
一场悲剧，而刻意隐瞒真相并封杀这位橄榄球明星的做法，更是让痛苦加倍。
jlennon1280598 赞2025/5/27
No doubt about it, the died in the line of fire story was a huge mistake. But it was a very unpopular war and the story of him being killed by friendly fire would only make matters worse for the army at that time. They rolled the dice and lost.
毫无疑问，“在交火中阵亡”那套说辞简直是大错特错。但那场仗本来就不得人心，要是承认他是死于友军误伤，当时只会让军方处境更难堪。他们赌了一把，结果输得底裤都不剩。
Common-Frosting-9434609 赞2025/5/27
The fuckin coward pigs murdered him and that war was a 100% shitshow instigated by greedy rich people.
那帮怂包条子就是谋杀了他。那场战争百分之百就是场狗屁倒灶的闹剧，全是为了那些贪婪的富人发起的。
SummertimeThrowaway2161 赞2025/5/27
In a way the politicians murdered every single fallen soldier in that war
从某种意义上说，是政客谋杀了那场战争中每一个阵亡的士兵。
DukeBradford2204 赞2025/5/27
No, his fellow soldiers literally murdered him. They shot him as he was screaming “I’m Pat fucking Tillman stop shooting!” from 30 yards away in the open with no enemy near him. The whole lost contact with friendlies excuse was also bs.
不，是他自己的战友亲手杀了他。当时他在空地上，周围根本没有敌人，距离对方只有30码远，还在大喊“我是帕特·蒂尔曼（Pat Tillman），别他妈开枪了！”，结果他们还是开了枪。说什么“跟友军失去联络”全是扯淡。
The_Best_Yak_Ever96 赞2025/5/27
I didn’t know that… I knew he was killed by friendlies, but that’s horrible. Thirty yards is literally nothing. You can make out virtually everything at that range. You could almost read his rank and name tag at that distance… So the guys who scragged him, did they just personally hate the guy? Or was it deeper?
我以前还真不知道这些……我只知道他是死于友军误伤，但这太可怕了。30码简直近在咫尺。那个距离基本上能看清一切，甚至连他的军衔和姓名牌都快能读出来了……所以那几个干掉他的家伙，纯粹是私人恩怨？还是说有什么更深层的原因？
Andromansis133 赞2025/5/27
They murdered him. A football star has access to a publicist, and you can't let people with publicists have opinions you don't agree with if you're trying to manufacture consent for a war so you can bilk government contracts.
他们就是谋杀。身为橄榄球明星，他有自己的公关团队；而如果你想操纵民意来打仗、好从中捞取政府合同，就绝不能容忍有公关资源的人发表和你相左的意见。
Blondecapchickadee17 赞2025/5/29
He was also in conversation with Chomsky - the author of Manufacturing Consent.
他当时还在和乔姆斯基（《制造共识》的作者）通话呢。
Common-Frosting-9434108 赞2025/5/27
He was publicly against the invasion of Iraq, rumors ~~where~~ were he might have seen a bit too much and people got afraid he might give public testimony about some of the more inacceptable things they did down there.
他公开反对入侵伊拉克，有传言说他可能看到了太多不该看的东西，那些人怕他回来后公开作证，抖出他们在当地干的那些丧尽天良的勾当。
mgj681872 赞2025/5/28
>some of the more inacceptable things they did down there Specifically CIA and SF personnel directly involved in drug trafficking, allegedly.
>他们在那儿干的一些事儿简直让人没法忍。
具体点说，据称中情局（CIA）和特种部队（SF）人员直接参与了毒品走私。
LectureAdditional97128 赞2025/5/28
I can confirm this.
我能证实这一点。
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He was in contact with Oliver Stone iirc and was going to do an interview
我如果没记错的话，他当时和奥利弗·斯通（Oliver Stone）有联系，本来打算接受采访的。
RenegadeMoose53 赞2025/5/28
He had come out and said "This war is so fucking illegal". It sounds like those soldiers were instructed to take him out :(
他当时公开表示过：“这场战争他妈的简直是非法的。”
crvarporat16 赞2025/5/28
idk why i feel so bad about this guy, probably cause he played NFL
不知道为什么我对他这件事感到这么难受，可能是因为他以前打过 NFL 吧。
Goldenthing46 赞2025/5/28
Tillman said he joined the military to fight a war he disagreed with because he thought it was wrong that poor people were doing most of the fighting while he got paid millions of dollars to play a game he loved.
蒂尔曼（Tillman）说他参军是为了去打一场他并不认同的战争，因为他觉得让穷人去冲锋陷阵，而自己却拿着几百万美元玩着心爱的运动，这不对劲。
crvarporat19 赞2025/5/28
man i have huge respect for this guy. Too bad justice was not served for the pigs that murdered him. I hope he has peace now
老兄，我对这家伙真的肃然起敬。可惜那些谋杀他的猪猡没能受到制裁。希望他现在安息吧。
spursfan202141 赞2025/5/28
Because this man loved his country, went overseas to fight for it, then found out he was running security for opium fields. Once he realized how involved we were in the drug trade, he became a threat.
因为这家伙深爱着他的国家，远赴海外去为国效力，结果发现自己居然是在给鸦片田当保安。当他意识到我们卷毒品贸易卷得有多深时，他就成了个眼中钉。
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They lied about being shot at. They fabricated a whole story and wouldn't let any of them talk to the family. Tight 3 shot group to the head, and they tried to say it was enemy fire.
他们谎称遭到了枪击。他们编造了整套说辞，还严禁所有相关人员和家属接触。头部近距离三枪连发，他们居然还想赖说是敌方火力。
Asleep_Touch_882417 赞2025/5/28
His brother confirmed that he was basically decapitated.
他兄弟证实过，他基本上是被爆头了。
SummertimeThrowaway237 赞2025/5/27
I know that I’m just pointing out the fact that it was all murder in a way. Tillman’s death was a direct murder though yea, I believe that.
我知道我这只是在指出一个事实：某种意义上，这一切都是谋杀。不过蒂尔曼的死确实是纯粹的谋杀，没错，我坚信这一点。
DeathCaptain_Dallas29 赞2025/5/27
It was only 10 yards or 9.1 meters away. Total bullshit. I don’t know how an accident can happen that close.
离着也就10码，不到10米吧。简直扯淡。我真搞不懂那么近的距离怎么还会出这种事故。
Ancient-Watch-119190 赞2025/5/27
Are there wars, after WW2, which were not instigated for that reason?
二战之后，有哪场战争不是为了这个理由挑起的吗？
tickingboxes171 赞2025/5/27
Nope. As Noam Chomsky famously said, “If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.” And he’s correct.
没有。正如诺姆·乔姆斯基那句名言所说：“如果按纽伦堡审判的标准来判，那战后每一任美国总统都该被绞死。”他说得一点没错。
ImperialxWarlord54 赞2025/5/27
Afghanistan? Korea? The gulf war?
阿富汗呢？朝鲜战争呢？海湾战争呢？
Epcplayer73 赞2025/5/27
Yugoslavia… Kosovo… Somalia… “Every” is such a hyperbolic statement since there were several UN-approved interventions mixed in there.
南斯拉夫……科索沃……索马里……
“每一次”这种说法也太夸张了，毕竟中间混杂了好几次联合国批准的干预行动。
ImperialxWarlord15 赞2025/5/27
Very true!
确实！
Elantach52 赞2025/5/27
>But it was a very unpopular war It's impressive how Americans have deluded themselves in believing they've always been opposed to the war in Iraq. The people overwhelmingly supported war in Iraq
>但那是一场非常不得人心的战争
最绝的是，美国人居然能自我洗脑，坚信他们一直都反对伊拉克战争。当时民众可是压倒性地支持打伊拉克的。
JoeAppleby32 赞2025/5/27
I was a junior in high school in the South in 2002/2003. The teachers, some of whom went to college to avoid the draft during Vietnam, were against the war while the students were mostly in favor. They were also critical of Germany not joining. They were surprised when I told them that as a German that when I get back I would most likely have to do my military service and thus there would be a chance I would have to go there. The last part wasn’t even remotely likely, I still had two years of school back home and conscripts weren’t deployed abroad anyway. But it was a good tool to show them how quickly one‘s opinion changes when one is personally affected. It was a somewhat wealthy white suburb, none of them went to the military unless they really wanted to.
2002/2003年的时候，我还在美国南方读高二。
学校的老师们——他们当中有些人当年为了逃避越战征兵才去读的大学——基本都反对战争，而学生们大多是支持的。他们当时还对德国不参战颇有微词。当我告诉他们作为德国人，我回去后很可能得服兵役，所以我有可能会被派去战场时，他们都惊呆了。
其实后半部分压根儿就不太可能，我回国后还得念两年书，况且义务兵本来就不会被派驻海外。但这确实是个好招，能让他们看看，当一个人自己身陷其中时，他的立场转变有多快。那是个相当富裕的白人郊区，除非是自己真心想去，否则没几个人会参军。
DonatedEyeballs16 赞2025/5/27
It’s shameful. Pat Tillman gave up a life most people dream of to fight for something he thought was right. Rest in power, my man.
这太丢人了。
帕特·蒂尔曼（Pat Tillman）为了他心中认为正确的事业，放弃了大多数人梦寐以求的生活。
安息吧，兄弟。
716 赞2025/5/27
the fact that the Administration and Pentagon exploited his death for propaganda and gave a false narrative about the circumstances made his death even more tragic. Having said that, Pat was an exceptional character. Intelligent, loyal, humble and gave up a $3.6 million dollar NFL contract to serve his country.
美国政府和五角大楼利用他的死搞宣传，还编造了一套虚假的战死经过，这让他的死显得更加悲剧。
话虽如此，帕特确实是个非凡的人物。聪明、忠诚、谦逊，甚至放弃了360万美元的NFL合同去报效国家。
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All those boys died for fucking oil
那些小伙子都为了他妈的石油死了。
152 赞2025/5/27
Afghanistan wasn’t about oil, it was about opium. Which the Taliban have destroyed the poppy fields since they took over.
阿富汗不是为了石油，是为了鸦片。塔利班上台后，就把罂粟田给毁了。
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I believe Pat actually stated this about the poppy fields in his diaries while he was doing his service. They knew for a fact someone as high profile and idolized as him coming back from the war condemning the armies action would’ve been detrimental to the war effort. They showed up unwarranted to Pats funeral.
我记得帕特在服役期间的日记里确实提到过罂粟田的事。
他们很清楚，像他这种知名度高、被奉为偶像的人，如果从战场回来后谴责军队的行为，那对战争推进来说简直是灾难。
他们居然还厚着脸皮跑去参加了帕特的葬礼。
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I’ve never read Pats diaries, but got my information first hand from a buddy who served at the same time as Pat. He personally had been sent with his unit to guard fields of poppy because the Taliban wanted them gone and would raid the fields.
我从没读过Pat的日记，但我的信息是直接从一个和Pat同期服役的战友那里听来的。他本人曾随他的部队被派去守卫罂粟田，因为塔利班想把它们铲除，并且会袭击这些田地。
25 赞2025/5/27
When I was a kid and more radical I remember reading or hearing about this stuff when researching Naomi Klein shock doctrine, back in the early YouTube days I remember finding out more and more about what the war effort was about overseas. I didn’t hear about Pats story until years later but I knew it was from what he was experiencing from his service. He like many others who signed up thought they were procuring freedom and helping not terrorizing locals and strong arming foreign business.
我小时候，思想比较激进那会儿，我记得在研究娜奥米·克莱因的“休克主义”时，读到或听到过这玩意儿。在早期YouTube时代，我记得当时越来越清楚地认识到海外战争到底是为了什么。
25 赞2025/5/27
As the other commentator said it was about opium or more precisely poppy fields, which the Taliban cracked down due to the opium addiction rising in Afghanistan, such action wasn't well received by USA pharmaceuticals. The funniest part is that since USA took control of Afghanistan they ramped up the poppy production which led to a massive increase in opium and derivatives available for sell in USA causing the opium epidemic for profit. All those suckers died and murdered innocent people so USA pharmaceuticals could sell opium to yanks and cause a wave of overdoses. Be sure to thank them for their service on causing an opioid epidemic o7
正如另一位评论者所说，这事儿跟鸦片有关，或者更准确地说是跟罂粟田有关。塔利班当时严厉打击鸦片，因为阿富汗国内的毒瘾问题日益严重，而这种做法让美国制药公司很不爽。
最荒诞的是，自从美国接管阿富汗以来，他们反而加大了罂粟产量，导致阿富汗海洛因及其衍生物在市场上泛滥，最终流入美国，为了利润炮制了一场阿片类药物危机。
那帮傻X为了让美国药企能向老美兜售鸦片并制造一波波过量死亡案例，不仅自己送了命，还杀害了无数无辜者。
记得感谢他们的“贡献”，给美国带来了这场阿片类药物危机，o7（致敬）。
24 赞2025/5/27
The roots of the opium epidemic began before Afghanistan. Doctors were handing out OCs like candy in the late 90s. When they cracked down on that in the 2000s people turned to the now available heroin, now that heroin is short, people are turning to fent. Afghanistan didn't help but the epidemic in america started with pharma
鸦片类药物危机的根源在阿富汗之前就有了。90年代末，医生们像发糖一样随便开奥施康定（OCs）。2000年代对这个严加管控后，人们转向了当时能搞到的********。现在********也稀缺了，人们又转向了芬太尼。阿富汗虽然没帮什么好忙，但美国的这场（药物）危机是从制药公司开始的。
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>to serve his country. You mean to kill and or oppresse people that never had done anything to harm the US?
>报效国家。
你是说去杀害或压迫那些从来没伤害过美国的人吗？
374 赞2025/5/27
He was murdered by his fellow squad mates and it was covered up
他是被他的战友谋杀的，而且这事被掩盖了。
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Absolutely, that’s why I put friendly fire in quotes, it’s very disturbing and sad
没错，这就是我把“友军火力”打引号的原因，这真的很让人心烦又难过。
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Why did they kill him?
他们为什么要杀他？
124 赞2025/5/27
Incredibly high profile athlete who would’ve turned celebrity after his service. Someone as high profile as him coming out publicly and condemning the war or writing a tell all book about what was really going on overseas would’ve cause a major shit show back home. He was an American kid through and through as was his family so they couldn’t discredit him by conjuring up dirt Or false information to publicly disparage his character so instead they killed him overseas.
他是一位知名度极高的运动员，退伍后肯定会成为大明星。
像他这样声名显赫的人，如果公开站出来谴责战争，或者写一本揭露海外真相的爆料书，那在国内绝对会引发一场惊天大乱。
他和他的家人是彻头彻尾的美国人，所以政府没法通过捏造黑料或发布虚假信息来公开诋毁他的人格，于是他们选择了在海外干掉他。
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"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
“那杀身体不能杀灵魂的，不要怕他们；惟有能把身体和灵魂都灭在地狱里的，正要怕他。”
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He was trying to expose corruption. They set him up to be killed and then covered it up…
他当时正打算揭露腐败。他们给他设了个套让他送命，事后又把真相给掩盖了……
30 赞2025/5/27
Murder, not kill. He is murdered for calling out the invasion of Iraq as illegal
是谋杀，不是普通的战死。他就是因为指出入侵伊拉克非法才惨遭灭口的。
23 赞2025/5/27
He wasn’t murdered. He was killed by a trigger-happy special forces member with a chip on his shoulder. It was a tragedy. The scandal is that the Army covered it up and used his service/death as a recruiting tool. Jon Krakauer wrote a fantastic biography about Pat and the modern history of Afghanistan. Highly recommend it
他没被谋杀。他是死在一个手痒又心理扭曲的特种兵手里。这确实是个悲剧。真正恶心的是军方掩盖了真相，还把他当成招兵的活招牌。乔恩·克拉考尔写过一本关于帕特以及阿富汗现代史的传记，非常赞，强烈推荐。
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Gigachad
顶级猛男（Gigachad）。
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It's sad how he died, but I can't get over this dudes chin. Brother looks like he could bite open a coconut.
他死得确实挺让人唏嘘的，但我还是没法忽略这哥们的下巴。兄弟，这下巴看起来能直接咬开椰子。
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He looks like Stan Smith from American Dad.
他长得好像《美国老爹》里的斯坦·史密斯。
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May everyone involved in his murder burn in hell
Fuck every single one of them, they aren’t hero’s Fucking cowards He stepped up and joined and put money and fame to the side all to be killed by cowards
愿所有参与谋杀他的人都下地狱。
去他妈的，他们每一个都不是什么英雄。
全是一群怂包。
他挺身而出选择参军，把金钱和名声都抛在了脑后，结果却死在了一群懦夫手里。
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Maybe it’s because I’m an ASU guy but this has to be the least “rare” historical photo i’ve seen on this sub lol
可能是因为我是亚利桑那州立大学（ASU）毕业的吧，但这绝对是我在这个版块见过的最“不罕见”的历史照片了，笑死。
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Right?? Like, this is like the default picture anybody uses for Pat Tillman. This picture is not rare at all lol
对吧？？简直就是大家提到帕特·蒂尔曼时默认会用的那张照片。这张照片根本一点都不罕见，哈哈。
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The military did him a tremendous disservice by claiming he was killed by enemy troops. He stepped up and abandoned a lucrative career in the NFL to serve his country. I opposed the war from the beginning but Pat Tillman put his life on the line for what he believed. Very few of those who were so gung ho about the war did anything that even inconvenienced themselves, let alone put their lives at risk. Honorable dude.
军方谎称他是死于敌军之手，这对他来说简直是巨大的侮辱。他本可以拥有高薪的NFL职业生涯，但他选择了放弃，挺身报国。我虽然从一开始就反对那场战争，但帕特·蒂尔曼确实为了自己的信念赌上了性命。那些当初叫嚣着支持战争的人，连半点个人利益都没牺牲过，更别提冒着生命危险了。真是条汉子。
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When I imagine the epitome of American soldier, it looks like him. Handsome man.
当我想象中美国士兵的典范时，他就是那个样子。长得真帅。
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75th Rangers committed a shit load of war crimes that were covered up during OIF.
第75游骑兵团在伊拉克战争（OIF）期间犯下了一堆战争罪行，结果全都被掩盖了。
23 赞2025/5/27
Family guy did a great bit on this.
《恶搞之家》里有个段子讽刺得特别到位。
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I remember this
我记得这事儿。
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Not a rare photo
这照片一点也不罕见。
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Read Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer
去读读乔恩·克拉考尔写的《荣光之境》（Where Men Win Glory）吧。
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anti-war gigachad vs virgins who think war is like bideo game Edit: why did I get a reddit cares for this 😭😭
反战界真·究极巨佬 vs 把战争当电子游戏玩的底层小丑
10 赞2025/5/27
Legitimate friendly fire incidents happen more often than you’d think (up to 20% of casualties in some conflicts). It’s tragic what happened, but somewhat understandable. War is chaotic and disorienting. Their unit was in a bit of a situation—fired upon, broken down vehicle in hostile territory, in a narrow canyon. Tillman and others separated from the vehicle as repairs were underway; they eventually came back and approached from the top ridge after the vehicle was back in action, pushing through the canyon. The soldiers inside the vehicle mistook Tillman’s approach as hostile and opened fire.
实际上，误伤事件发生的频率比你想象的要高得多（在某些冲突中伤亡比例甚至高达 20%）。
发生这种事确实很悲剧，但也算是有迹可循。战争就是一团混乱，让人摸不着头脑。当时他们的部队陷入了困境——遭到火力攻击，车辆在敌占区抛锚，位置又在一个狭窄的峡谷里。
在抢修车辆时，蒂尔曼和其他人离开了车辆；等车修好、部队开始推进穿过峡谷时，他们又从顶部的山脊绕了回来。车里的士兵误把靠近的蒂尔曼当成了敌人，于是开了火。
15 赞2025/5/27
Yeah but if it’s so easy to explain his death shouldn’t have been covered up. Also, from my understanding he was shit at less than 10 yards. All seems a little sketchy especially considering that the Pentagon tried to cover it up after and his comments about the war.
是啊，但如果这事儿这么好解释，当初就不该掩盖真相。而且据我了解，他当时在 10 码不到的距离被射杀。怎么看都觉得挺蹊跷的，尤其是考虑到五角大楼事后试图遮掩，还有他本人之前对战争发表过那些评论。
9 赞2025/5/27
This is what being a solider is all about. You can be as brave and as chisel jawed as you like. One day you just get squished between the sides and thats your valor and your bravery, worth nothing next to some mortar rounds.
这就是当兵的真相。你可以表现得无比勇敢、长得一脸正气，但某天你可能就像只臭虫一样被夹在战局里压扁了。在那一刻，你的英勇无畏在几发迫击炮面前屁都不是。
8 赞2025/5/27
Gigachad
真·巨佬（Gigachad）
7 赞2025/5/27
My high school social studies teacher said it best “ to you think they send their kids to die in a war”?, the answer is no just the poor desperate or uneducated.
我高中社会课老师说得最精辟：“你觉得他们会送自己的孩子去战场送死吗？”答案是不会，送去的只有那些贫穷、绝望或没受过教育的人。
6 赞2025/5/27
He looks like that Chad meme in all the best ways possible
他简直就是那个“Chad”表情包的完美真人版。
6 赞2025/5/27
what a unit
真是一条硬汉。
5 赞2025/5/27
absolute gigachad. RIP
绝对的真·巨佬，安息。
5 赞2025/5/28
5 赞2025/6/1
I knew his family. Great people. I once played Santa Clause for he and his brothers at an Xmas Eve party
我认识他家人，都是很好的人。有次平安夜派对上，我还给他们几兄弟扮过圣诞老人呢。
4 赞2025/5/27
Hella sad, look at this dudes jawline though Jesus Christ.
真特么让人难过，不过你看看这哥们的下颚线，我的老天鹅啊。