This is one of those things that somehow is almost completely unknown in the western world and even in big parts of the former Warsaw pact. I stumbled upon this during my history studies for university. I asked my parents about this, who were raised in one of these countries and they enver heard about either. Same with other events like the massacre in Katyn. It's only now after the invasion of many people became aware of this.
It's worth mentioning that the people they kidnapped and stranded (to die) in the Siberian tundra, were indeed the families that had previously sent grains to Russia during their famine.
Youngest in Estonia was 3 days old. She died, of course.
爱沙尼亚最小的受害者才出生3天。当然了,没活下来。
No-Refrigerator-167218 赞2025/3/26
In modern Latvia those deportations are teached about in school history lessons, so they aren't forgotten.
在现代拉脱维亚,这些驱逐事件会被写进学校的历史课本里,所以并没有被遗忘。
Babyyougotastew4422113 赞2025/3/25
All we hear about Russia in America was the Cold war and communism. Very little about stuff like this
我们在美国听到的关于俄国的事儿,全是冷战和共产主义那一套。像这种事儿几乎没人提。
Soggy_Ad453164 赞2025/3/25
Probably why American tankies exist... the education system vould fix it all
这可能就是为啥会有美国“坦克派”(Tankies)存在的原因吧……教育系统本来是能解决这些问题的。
Whentheangelsings56 赞2025/3/25
They would just deny or justify it. Tankies know about so much of this shit they just refuse to accept their utopia would this or they accept it and say it was one it's few mistakes.
"To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs." "Yes, you've broken a lot of eggs. But where's the omelette?"
“想要摊个蛋饼,就得先打破几个蛋。”
“没错,你确实打破了不少蛋。但蛋饼在哪儿呢?”
PumpkinLittleDoll48 赞2025/3/25
My family members were deported from Latvia to Siberia without any reason at all except that they had some property/money at the time and the stories they told were harrowing. Infants and toddlers dying on the train and Russians just throwing their bodies out from the moving train in the middle of nowhere. Eating only potatoes for a year straight just to survive. 6 people living in a 15m2 barely heated room in the middle of nowhere for a long period of time. And this is only small % of the horrors they had to endure due to our dear eastern neighbours. Many Russians now saying this is fake news just makes me want to punch them in the face.
The family of a friend of mine got deported too (although for different reasons). According to what's left of their family records put of 60 people deported only 8 made it trough the first winter.
Man, same story Russians are telling us about Holodomor and mass deportations of Ukrainians (almost all Donbass spoke Ukranian before they made the artificial hunger and brought their own people into the houses of those who died from starvation) My grand grandmother survived Holodom and was on her own since 13 but 2 her brothers didn't survive it. Also my grand grandmother couldn't get the passport and leave the village up to 1974 - that was legal slavary of USSR.
This wouldn't be called "deportation" Deportation is the act of removing a foreigner from a country. The Estonians would have been native to their lands. This is "ethnic cleansing" or "forced displacement"
Russification is another word, because they didn't just remove us Estonians, they replaced us with Russians. Now most baltic nations have 25% russian population.
Karelia, Crimea, Ukraine, Koenigsberg, Buryatia, Don and Kuban as well
还有卡累利阿、克里米亚、乌克兰、柯尼斯堡、布里亚特、顿河和库班地区也是。
_llille37 赞2025/3/25
We have a specific word for forced deportations in Estonian. Thanks, Russia.
我们爱沙尼亚语里专门有一个词来形容这种强制流放。谢了啊,俄国。
_llille34 赞2025/3/25
(It's küüditamine if anyone's interested.)
(如果有人感兴趣的话,那个词是 küüditamine。)
OkNoise3000200 赞2025/3/25
It's crazy how much suffering the russian has causes their neighbours the last 100+ years. (Edit: +)
真不敢相信,过去一百多年里,俄国人给邻居带来了多少苦难。(编辑:+)
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Soggy_Ad453115 赞2025/3/25
1164? My brother in Christ, the Finnish-Novgorodian wars begun in the 11th century...
1164年?老兄,芬兰-诺夫哥罗德战争早在11世纪就开始了好吧……
notcomplainingmuch18 赞2025/3/25
Yes, this was just an example. Fighting the Slavic tribes was already old news during the Viking era.
对,那只是举个例子。早在维京时代,和斯拉夫部落的冲突就已经不是什么新鲜事了。
ErenYeager60028 赞2025/3/25
Good old racism. I suppose I can call the Fins Evil for working for Hitler now right Or better yet the Germans are evil cause the Holocaust, the Belgian for the Congo, the British and the French for their numerous atrocities Seeing as how we're throwing nuance and logic out the window
经典的种族歧视。那我是不是现在也能因为芬兰人给希特勒打工就管他们叫“邪恶”了?
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PleasantSalad24 赞2025/3/26
My grandmother was also forcibly displaced to Siberia from Poland. The exact timing of events was tough to nail down because she didn't like talking about it and she would have only been 10 or 11 at the time. Her father passed on the train, and his body was also just thrown off the train. Her mother died a few months later from starvation. She and her sister made their way to an orphanage run by nuns somehow. The orphans ended up in Siberia. She talked about foraging for food. Her most vivid memory is seeing a bear while foraging and one of the nuns scaring it off. In a family of 13, only her and her sister lived. Soldiers hung her brother with all the other boys to young to join the army in her village. She was still unfailingly kind to the end of her days. Even when alzeihmers had taken everything else. She was still kind. I think about her when shit feels hard.
One of the many reasons why estonians hate the russians.
爱沙尼亚人恨俄国人的原因之一。
Responsible_Weekend445 赞2025/3/25
Actually, they’re not the only ones. Nearly all ex-Soviet and ex-Socialist Eastern European nations hate Ruzzians.
其实不止他们。几乎所有前苏联和前社会主义阵营的东欧国家都恨毛子(Ruzzians)。
Azutolsokorty54 赞2025/3/25
This is the future, if that bald clown is not handled with care
如果不好好处理那个秃头小丑,这就是未来。
Fun_Intention984621 赞2025/3/25
The orange one is handling it just the way he likes.
那个橘色头发的正在用他自己的方式“处理”呢。
OpoFiroCobroClawo39 赞2025/3/25
On Christmas Day 1939, my great grandmothers entire family was put on one of the cattle trains from South-eastern Poland. No means of heating themselves, no toilet. Their heads fucking froze to the walls while they slept. Plenty died. The Russians laughed at them when they got off near Novosibersk and collapsed. They wrote plenty of letters just asking what they had done to deserve deportation and enslavement, never got a response. Ironically, the German invasion was what forced the Soviets to cooperate with Britain for aid and release them. Hitler probably fumed that he wouldn’t get the chance to kill and enslave them himself.
And people wonder why the Baltic states are so uptight about Russian expansionism.
现在还有人纳闷波罗的海国家为什么对俄罗斯的扩张主义这么如临大敌。
HuanFranThe1st25 赞2025/3/25
I see the tanky/ruSSia apologists are already in full swing here.
瞧,那些坦克党/俄孝子们已经在评论区火力全开了。
Emotional_Platform3530 赞2025/3/25
This sub is overrun with Russian propaganda.
这个版块已经被俄国宣传给攻占了。
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1822Landwood19 赞2025/3/25
I remember when Russia was our enemy (a couple of months ago)
我还记得当时俄罗斯还是我们的敌人呢(就在几个月前)。
MrCheeseman202217 赞2025/3/25
This is why the west should never drop the ball when it comes to Russian aggression
这就是为什么西方绝不能在应对俄罗斯侵略的问题上掉链子。
Tulemasin15 赞2025/3/25
It's not much talked about because modern day russia still denies these things happened and have never even apologized for it so just small countries who were victims of this remain to tell the story. One story about all this that always stuck with me was about a woman who was put on the train while pregnant, she gave birth on the train and the child died before they were let off the train.
My grandfather, along with his older brother and mother, was among those deported. He was only six years old when they came and took them. My great-grandfather, a postal worker, was executed. My great-grandmother sadly passed away shortly afterward. My grandfather remained in a Siberian orphanage until his early teenage years when his aunt bribed a Red Army soldier with homegrown potatoes to bring him back from Siberia. Everyone had family members who went through this. I had several teachers who were also deported as children along with their families. Later in life, my grandfather became a total badass—he worked on the first Soviet computers, traveled the world, taught at universities in three different countries, and was highly respected in his field. To us grandkids, he always seemed larger than life—and the grandfather who took us sailing.
Siberia in the best of conditions has a lot of large predatory animals. That must have been fucking horrific for them. Can you imagine doing that to people? Especially children... insane what humans are capable of
People are being systematically starved to death this minute. Nothing has changed.
此刻,还有人正在遭受系统的饥饿折磨,被活活饿死。
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Shocking how much people dont know this, and yet we are always called russiaphobes, well i sure do wonder why, sending prayers that this doesnt happen again from 🇱🇻
They were as bad as the Germans were. And are still
他们跟德国佬是一丘之貉。现在也一样。
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Weight_Slight11 赞2025/3/26
This happened to Polish people as well, my grandpa was one od them. Being a Polish soldier he was deported to Siberia to die in the cold. He survived the -40c winters and eventually came back.
He was a special man and a true hero and source of inspiration, and an artist as well, something that he passed on in genes on to me, carrying his legacy.
波兰人也遭遇过这些,我爷爷就是其中之一。身为一名波兰军人,他被流放到西伯利亚去挨冻等死。
assm0nk11 赞2025/3/26
wonder why we dislike russia so much
纳闷儿为什么我们这么讨厌俄罗斯?
IntoTheMurkyWaters110 赞2025/3/26
Russia is still a terrorist state. Nothing changes
俄罗斯至今仍是个恐怖主义国家。一点没变。
No-Goose-614010 赞2025/3/26
My grandfather told about how one day in march one third of the class didnt show up to school. Teachers wept quietly and kept on teaching knowing they could be next.
My grandma is Estonian. Her family suffered the soviet's deeds first-hand. It's astonishing to hear her talk about what the russians did to her brothers, and then have people argue that the soviets weren't as bad as the Nazis.
One of my grandparents got sent to Siberia from the Finnish border. He escaped and lived in Estonia until the end of his days, working on the northern border maintaining a lighthouse. So what? What outsiders don't know is that under Soviet occupation the whole shoreline was barbed wired and patrolled around the clock. Finland was the closest path to freedom, just over the sea, a trip that could be made on a makeshift raft. Ports were military outposts, garrisons with 24/7 patrols. Most soldiers were brought in as recruits from all over the union as part of Russification. None of the military personnel spoke Estonian of Finnish. So my grandpa, a runaway, lived and worked right under their noses and nobody gave him out. They did not understand that he had a strong Finnish accent as he only started learning Estonian after he ended up in Estonia. The accent is very prominent if you know either language.