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1941年,苏联将爱沙尼亚人流放至西伯利亚,企图让他们在那里饿死。1941年,苏联将爱沙尼亚人流放至西伯利亚,企图让他们在那里饿死。

1941年,苏联将爱沙尼亚人流放至西伯利亚,企图让他们在那里饿死。

这看起来像是一场大屠杀,但并非如此。爱沙尼亚各年龄段的人民被强制驱逐,取而代之的是俄罗斯定居者,其目的是摧毁爱沙尼亚的国家地位,并将其同化入俄罗斯国家体系。单次驱逐规模最大的一天是1941年7月14日,当天有1万名爱沙尼亚人被驱逐。仅在一周内,就有约9.5万人从爱沙尼亚、拉脱维亚、立陶宛、波兰和比萨

1941 · 18,323 赞 · 2025-03-25 · 54 条评论

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bluebird810690 赞2025/3/25
This is one of those things that somehow is almost completely unknown in the western world and even in big parts of the former Warsaw pact. I stumbled upon this during my history studies for university. I asked my parents about this, who were raised in one of these countries and they enver heard about either. Same with other events like the massacre in Katyn. It's only now after the invasion of many people became aware of this.
这事儿挺离谱的,西方世界几乎没人知道,甚至连前华约国家的大部分地区都没什么人听说过。我是在大学学历史的时候偶然碰上的。我问过我父母,他们就是在其中一个国家长大的,但他们也完全没听说过。卡廷惨案这类事件也是一样。直到最近那场入侵发生后,大家才开始关注这些事儿。
talldata248 赞2025/3/25
In Estonia there is a [remembrance day for it](https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinap%C3%A4ev) on 14 th of June (use translate on the article)
Gustavsvitko129 赞2025/3/25
In Latvia it is today 25th of March.
拉脱维亚是在今天,3月25号。
talldata50 赞2025/3/25
More reading for people. [here (estonian article more detailed than English one so use translate)](https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juunik%C3%BC%C3%BCditamine)
给想深入了解的人再提供点资料。[点这里(爱沙尼亚语的文章比英语版详尽得多,建议用翻译工具看)](https://et.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juunik%C3%BC%C3%BCditamine)
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It's worth mentioning that the people they kidnapped and stranded (to die) in the Siberian tundra, were indeed the families that had previously sent grains to Russia during their famine.
值得一提的是,那些被绑架并扔到西伯利亚冻土区(等死)的人,偏偏就是当初曾在饥荒时期向俄国输送过粮食的那些家庭。
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tulihobu18 赞2025/3/26
Youngest in Estonia was 3 days old. She died, of course.
爱沙尼亚最小的受害者才出生3天。当然了,没活下来。
No-Refrigerator-167218 赞2025/3/26
In modern Latvia those deportations are teached about in school history lessons, so they aren't forgotten.
在现代拉脱维亚,这些驱逐事件会被写进学校的历史课本里,所以并没有被遗忘。
Babyyougotastew4422113 赞2025/3/25
All we hear about Russia in America was the Cold war and communism. Very little about stuff like this
我们在美国听到的关于俄国的事儿,全是冷战和共产主义那一套。像这种事儿几乎没人提。
Soggy_Ad453164 赞2025/3/25
Probably why American tankies exist... the education system vould fix it all
这可能就是为啥会有美国“坦克派”(Tankies)存在的原因吧……教育系统本来是能解决这些问题的。
Whentheangelsings56 赞2025/3/25
They would just deny or justify it. Tankies know about so much of this shit they just refuse to accept their utopia would this or they accept it and say it was one it's few mistakes.
他们才不会改呢,他们只会否认或者找借口。那些“坦克派”其实心里比谁都清楚这些烂事儿,他们只是打死都不愿承认自己的“乌托邦”会干出这种勾当,要么就是承认了然后甩锅说这不过是“少量失误”而已。
DumbNTough29 赞2025/3/26
"To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs." "Yes, you've broken a lot of eggs. But where's the omelette?"
“想要摊个蛋饼,就得先打破几个蛋。” “没错,你确实打破了不少蛋。但蛋饼在哪儿呢?”
PumpkinLittleDoll48 赞2025/3/25
My family members were deported from Latvia to Siberia without any reason at all except that they had some property/money at the time and the stories they told were harrowing. Infants and toddlers dying on the train and Russians just throwing their bodies out from the moving train in the middle of nowhere. Eating only potatoes for a year straight just to survive. 6 people living in a 15m2 barely heated room in the middle of nowhere for a long period of time. And this is only small % of the horrors they had to endure due to our dear eastern neighbours. Many Russians now saying this is fake news just makes me want to punch them in the face.
我家里人当年被从拉脱维亚流放到西伯利亚,没别的理由,就因为那时候家里有点财产/钱。他们讲的那些经历简直惨绝人寰。婴儿和幼儿在火车上接连死去,俄国人就直接把尸体从飞驰的火车上扔到荒郊野外。为了活命,整整一年只能吃土豆。6口人挤在鸟不拉屎的地方,住着15平米几乎没暖气的房间,一住就是好久。这还只是我们那位“亲爱的”东邻给我们带来的恐怖遭遇的一小部分。现在居然还有那么多俄国人说这是假新闻,真想给他们脸上来一拳。
bluebird81015 赞2025/3/25
The family of a friend of mine got deported too (although for different reasons). According to what's left of their family records put of 60 people deported only 8 made it trough the first winter.
我朋友家里也被流放过(虽然原因不同)。根据他们家留下的档案,被流放的60个人里,挺过第一个冬天的只有8个。
IGORLIA17 赞2025/3/25
Man, same story Russians are telling us about Holodomor and mass deportations of Ukrainians (almost all Donbass spoke Ukranian before they made the artificial hunger and brought their own people into the houses of those who died from starvation) My grand grandmother survived Holodom and was on her own since 13 but 2 her brothers didn't survive it. Also my grand grandmother couldn't get the passport and leave the village up to 1974 - that was legal slavary of USSR.
哥们,俄国人对我们说的关于乌克兰大饥荒和大规模流放的故事也是如出一辙(在他们制造人为饥荒并把他们自己人搬进饿死者房里之前,顿巴斯几乎所有人都是讲乌克兰语的)。我曾祖母从大饥荒里活了下来,13岁就孤身一人,但她的两个兄弟没能熬过去。而且我曾祖母一直到1974年都没法拿到护照离开村子——那简直就是苏联治下的合法奴隶制。
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Intelligent-Bank1653220 赞2025/3/25
This wouldn't be called "deportation" Deportation is the act of removing a foreigner from a country. The Estonians would have been native to their lands. This is "ethnic cleansing" or "forced displacement"
这事儿根本不叫“遣返”。 遣返是指把外国人从一个国家驱逐出去。而爱沙尼亚人可是那片土地上的原住民。 这分明是“种族清洗”或者“强制流放”。
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Russification is another word, because they didn't just remove us Estonians, they replaced us with Russians. Now most baltic nations have 25% russian population.
还有一个词叫“俄罗斯化”,因为他们不只是把我们爱沙尼亚人赶走,还要用俄国人来置换我们。现在大部分波罗的海国家里,俄裔人口都占到了25%。
Lamballama23 赞2025/3/26
Karelia, Crimea, Ukraine, Koenigsberg, Buryatia, Don and Kuban as well
还有卡累利阿、克里米亚、乌克兰、柯尼斯堡、布里亚特、顿河和库班地区也是。
_llille37 赞2025/3/25
We have a specific word for forced deportations in Estonian. Thanks, Russia.
我们爱沙尼亚语里专门有一个词来形容这种强制流放。谢了啊,俄国。
_llille34 赞2025/3/25
(It's küüditamine if anyone's interested.)
(如果有人感兴趣的话,那个词是 küüditamine。)
OkNoise3000200 赞2025/3/25
It's crazy how much suffering the russian has causes their neighbours the last 100+ years. (Edit: +)
真不敢相信,过去一百多年里,俄国人给邻居带来了多少苦难。(编辑:+)
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Soggy_Ad453115 赞2025/3/25
1164? My brother in Christ, the Finnish-Novgorodian wars begun in the 11th century...
1164年?老兄,芬兰-诺夫哥罗德战争早在11世纪就开始了好吧……
notcomplainingmuch18 赞2025/3/25
Yes, this was just an example. Fighting the Slavic tribes was already old news during the Viking era.
对,那只是举个例子。早在维京时代,和斯拉夫部落的冲突就已经不是什么新鲜事了。
ErenYeager60028 赞2025/3/25
Good old racism. I suppose I can call the Fins Evil for working for Hitler now right Or better yet the Germans are evil cause the Holocaust, the Belgian for the Congo, the British and the French for their numerous atrocities Seeing as how we're throwing nuance and logic out the window
经典的种族歧视。那我是不是现在也能因为芬兰人给希特勒打工就管他们叫“邪恶”了?
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PleasantSalad24 赞2025/3/26
My grandmother was also forcibly displaced to Siberia from Poland. The exact timing of events was tough to nail down because she didn't like talking about it and she would have only been 10 or 11 at the time. Her father passed on the train, and his body was also just thrown off the train. Her mother died a few months later from starvation. She and her sister made their way to an orphanage run by nuns somehow. The orphans ended up in Siberia. She talked about foraging for food. Her most vivid memory is seeing a bear while foraging and one of the nuns scaring it off. In a family of 13, only her and her sister lived. Soldiers hung her brother with all the other boys to young to join the army in her village. She was still unfailingly kind to the end of her days. Even when alzeihmers had taken everything else. She was still kind. I think about her when shit feels hard.
我祖母当年也从波兰被强行流放到西伯利亚。具体的事件时间点很难确定,因为她生前不喜欢谈这些,而且那时她才10岁还是11岁。她父亲死在了火车上,尸体直接被扔下了车。她母亲几个月后饿死了。她和姐姐不知怎么摸进了一家修女开的孤儿院,后来那群孤儿就被送到了西伯利亚。
Mart1986769 赞2025/3/25
One of the many reasons why estonians hate the russians.
爱沙尼亚人恨俄国人的原因之一。
Responsible_Weekend445 赞2025/3/25
Actually, they’re not the only ones. Nearly all ex-Soviet and ex-Socialist Eastern European nations hate Ruzzians.
其实不止他们。几乎所有前苏联和前社会主义阵营的东欧国家都恨毛子(Ruzzians)。
Azutolsokorty54 赞2025/3/25
This is the future, if that bald clown is not handled with care
如果不好好处理那个秃头小丑,这就是未来。
Fun_Intention984621 赞2025/3/25
The orange one is handling it just the way he likes.
那个橘色头发的正在用他自己的方式“处理”呢。
OpoFiroCobroClawo39 赞2025/3/25
On Christmas Day 1939, my great grandmothers entire family was put on one of the cattle trains from South-eastern Poland. No means of heating themselves, no toilet. Their heads fucking froze to the walls while they slept. Plenty died. The Russians laughed at them when they got off near Novosibersk and collapsed. They wrote plenty of letters just asking what they had done to deserve deportation and enslavement, never got a response. Ironically, the German invasion was what forced the Soviets to cooperate with Britain for aid and release them. Hitler probably fumed that he wouldn’t get the chance to kill and enslave them himself.
1939年圣诞节那天,我曾祖母一家被塞进了波兰东南部开出的牲口列车里。没暖气,没厕所。睡觉的时候,他们的头直接冻在了车厢壁上,死了一大片。当他们在新西伯利亚附近下车并倒下时,俄国人还在那儿嘲笑他们。
GoldenAmmonite26 赞2025/3/25
And people wonder why the Baltic states are so uptight about Russian expansionism.
现在还有人纳闷波罗的海国家为什么对俄罗斯的扩张主义这么如临大敌。
HuanFranThe1st25 赞2025/3/25
I see the tanky/ruSSia apologists are already in full swing here.
瞧,那些坦克党/俄孝子们已经在评论区火力全开了。
Emotional_Platform3530 赞2025/3/25
This sub is overrun with Russian propaganda.
这个版块已经被俄国宣传给攻占了。
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1822Landwood19 赞2025/3/25
I remember when Russia was our enemy (a couple of months ago)
我还记得当时俄罗斯还是我们的敌人呢(就在几个月前)。
MrCheeseman202217 赞2025/3/25
This is why the west should never drop the ball when it comes to Russian aggression
这就是为什么西方绝不能在应对俄罗斯侵略的问题上掉链子。
Tulemasin15 赞2025/3/25
It's not much talked about because modern day russia still denies these things happened and have never even apologized for it so just small countries who were victims of this remain to tell the story. One story about all this that always stuck with me was about a woman who was put on the train while pregnant, she gave birth on the train and the child died before they were let off the train.
这事儿之所以没多少人提,是因为现代俄罗斯至今还在否认这些事情,连个道歉都没有,所以只能由那些受害的小国来讲述这段历史了。
anialexanianart15 赞2025/3/25
My grandfather, along with his older brother and mother, was among those deported. He was only six years old when they came and took them. My great-grandfather, a postal worker, was executed. My great-grandmother sadly passed away shortly afterward. My grandfather remained in a Siberian orphanage until his early teenage years when his aunt bribed a Red Army soldier with homegrown potatoes to bring him back from Siberia. Everyone had family members who went through this. I had several teachers who were also deported as children along with their families. Later in life, my grandfather became a total badass—he worked on the first Soviet computers, traveled the world, taught at universities in three different countries, and was highly respected in his field. To us grandkids, he always seemed larger than life—and the grandfather who took us sailing.
我爷爷和他哥哥还有他妈当时也在被流放的行列里。他们被带走的时候,我爷爷才六岁。我太爷爷是名邮政职员,被处决了。我太奶奶没过多久也遗憾离世。我爷爷一直在西伯利亚的孤儿院待到十几岁,后来是他姨妈用自家种的土豆贿赂了一个红军士兵,才把他从西伯利亚接回来。
100Onions14 赞2025/3/26
Siberia in the best of conditions has a lot of large predatory animals. That must have been fucking horrific for them. Can you imagine doing that to people? Especially children... insane what humans are capable of
西伯利亚那种鬼地方,就算环境再好也有大把的猛兽。对他们来说那场面绝对是人间炼狱。你能想象人类会对同类下这种狠手吗?尤其是对孩子……人类能干出这种事真是丧心病狂。
bomboclawt7513 赞2025/3/25
People are being systematically starved to death this minute. Nothing has changed.
此刻,还有人正在遭受系统的饥饿折磨,被活活饿死。
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Shocking how much people dont know this, and yet we are always called russiaphobes, well i sure do wonder why, sending prayers that this doesnt happen again from 🇱🇻
令人震惊的是,竟然还有这么多人不知道这些事,而我们总被扣上“恐俄症”的帽子。呵,我真是纳闷这是为什么。祈祷这种悲剧不再重演。来自🇱🇻
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They were as bad as the Germans were. And are still
他们跟德国佬是一丘之貉。现在也一样。
StrikingVariation19912 赞2025/3/25
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Weight_Slight11 赞2025/3/26
This happened to Polish people as well, my grandpa was one od them. Being a Polish soldier he was deported to Siberia to die in the cold. He survived the -40c winters and eventually came back. He was a special man and a true hero and source of inspiration, and an artist as well, something that he passed on in genes on to me, carrying his legacy.
波兰人也遭遇过这些,我爷爷就是其中之一。身为一名波兰军人,他被流放到西伯利亚去挨冻等死。
assm0nk11 赞2025/3/26
wonder why we dislike russia so much
纳闷儿为什么我们这么讨厌俄罗斯?
IntoTheMurkyWaters110 赞2025/3/26
Russia is still a terrorist state. Nothing changes
俄罗斯至今仍是个恐怖主义国家。一点没变。
No-Goose-614010 赞2025/3/26
My grandfather told about how one day in march one third of the class didnt show up to school. Teachers wept quietly and kept on teaching knowing they could be next.
我爷爷讲过,有年三月的一天,班里三分之一的学生没来学校。老师们在默默流泪,但还在继续上课,因为他们知道下一个可能就是自己。
cabinetfriend10 赞2025/3/25
My grandma is Estonian. Her family suffered the soviet's deeds first-hand. It's astonishing to hear her talk about what the russians did to her brothers, and then have people argue that the soviets weren't as bad as the Nazis.
我奶奶是爱沙尼亚人。她的家族亲身遭受过苏联人的恶行。听她讲俄罗斯人对他兄弟们做的事儿,再听到有人争辩说苏联人没纳粹那么坏,真是让人震惊。
Ahvkentaur9 赞2025/3/26
One of my grandparents got sent to Siberia from the Finnish border. He escaped and lived in Estonia until the end of his days, working on the northern border maintaining a lighthouse. So what? What outsiders don't know is that under Soviet occupation the whole shoreline was barbed wired and patrolled around the clock. Finland was the closest path to freedom, just over the sea, a trip that could be made on a makeshift raft. Ports were military outposts, garrisons with 24/7 patrols. Most soldiers were brought in as recruits from all over the union as part of Russification. None of the military personnel spoke Estonian of Finnish. So my grandpa, a runaway, lived and worked right under their noses and nobody gave him out. They did not understand that he had a strong Finnish accent as he only started learning Estonian after he ended up in Estonia. The accent is very prominent if you know either language.
我爷爷奶奶里的一位当年从芬兰边境被发配到了西伯利亚。后来他逃了出来,并在爱沙尼亚度过了余生,在北部边境当灯塔管理员。那又怎样? 外人不知道的是,在苏联占领期间,整条海岸线都布满了铁丝网,还有人24小时巡逻。芬兰是通往自由最近的路,跨过海就到了,甚至做个简易木筏就能过去。港口全是军事哨所,驻军24小时严防死守。大部分士兵都是从苏联各地调来的新兵,属于“俄罗斯化”政策的一部分。这些军人没一个会说爱沙尼亚语或芬兰语的。 所以,我爷爷这个逃亡者,就在他们眼皮子底下生活工作,竟然没一个人告发他。他们根本听不出他有浓重的芬兰口音,因为他是在到了爱沙尼亚之后才开始学当地语言的。如果你懂这两门语言中的任何一种,那个口音简直太明显了。
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