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20世纪30年代初,胡佛村。那是大萧条时期人们失去一切后的栖身之所,也是沦为彻底流浪汉前的最后一道防线。20世纪30年代初,胡佛村。那是大萧条时期人们失去一切后的栖身之所,也是沦为彻底流浪汉前的最后一道防线。20世纪30年代初,胡佛村。那是大萧条时期人们失去一切后的栖身之所,也是沦为彻底流浪汉前的最后一道防线。

20世纪30年代初,胡佛村。那是大萧条时期人们失去一切后的栖身之所,也是沦为彻底流浪汉前的最后一道防线。

20世纪30年代初,胡佛村。那是大萧条时期人们失去一切后的栖身之所,也是沦为彻底无家可归者前的最后一道防线。

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Mysterious-Panic-443464 赞2025/3/16
This time around, they won't even let us have a Hooverville. It will be straight to the street, so we can get collected to work fields in a private prison.
这次他们连“胡佛村”(贫民窟)都不让我们建了。直接就给赶到街上去,好让我们被抓去私营监狱的农场干苦力。
CuntsNeverDie219 赞2025/3/16
Your comment has been flagged, and you are now on the list of potential terrorists. Your hate crime against the profits of the NYSE will not be tolerated!
你的评论已被标记,你现在已进入潜在恐怖分子名单。
Dense_Surround307143 赞2025/3/16
.... A search warrant for seditious materials was immediately signed and a SWAT Team are on the way now.
……搜查煽动性材料的搜查令已火速签发,特警队(SWAT)正在赶来的路上。
MaleficentCow851317 赞2025/3/16
After booking and processing, a judge will see you where you will be sentenced to work in the fields for a minimum 3 year sentence
登记入册后,你会见到法官,然后被判处至少3年的农场劳改。
Professional_Fee588326 赞2025/3/16
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Hate to tell you, but they are the same.
不好意思扫你兴,其实这两者没啥区别。
AdminFodder369 赞2025/3/16
I'm curious who owned the land these cropped up on. Were they legal settlements or just tolerated
我挺好奇这些地是谁的?是合法定居点,还是官方睁一只眼闭一只眼?
pachydrm164 赞2025/3/16
that first pic is from Seattle, in what is now considered SODO, which had been recently filled in from the [Denny regrade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regrading_in_Seattle#Denny_Regrade) which filled in the "unusable" land just south of the city. so I believe at the time it was owned by the city.
第一张照片是在西雅图,现在的SODO区。那地方是靠当年的“丹尼平整工程”(Denny regrade)填出来的,把市中心南边那些“没法用”的地给填平了。所以我估计那时候地皮应该是市政府的。
Swedzilla23 赞2025/3/16
SODO?
SODO(西雅图体育场区)是认真的吗?
_Smedette_103 赞2025/3/16
Neighborhood in Seattle. Depending on your age, **S**outh **O**f the **DO**me (Kingdome - demolished in 2000), or **S**outh **O**f **DO**wntown.
西雅图的一个街区。看你年纪多大,要是老一点就是**So**uth **O**f the **Do**me(国王穹顶体育场,2000年拆了),年轻点的就叫**S**outh **O**f **DO**wntown(市中心以南)。
emojisarefunny61 赞2025/3/16
Woah woah woah. An actual answer? Sorry man, this is reddit, we dont do that here. We only upvote the shittiest puns and low effort jokes
哇,哇,哇。居然有人正经回答了? 抱歉啊老兄,这可是 Reddit,我们这儿不兴这一套。我们只给那些烂透了的谐音梗和不用心的笑话点赞。
ParsleyMostly52 赞2025/3/16
SODO SOPA
SODO SOPA(南方公园梗,高档化街区)
THISoldD29 赞2025/3/16
Right past Shi Tpa Town
就在Shi Tpa Town(屎特帕镇)隔壁
Known-Delay722719 赞2025/3/16
I heard they have a shitty errr city wok
我听说那儿有家“屎”特……呃,城市炒锅(City Wok)
Delicious-Scheme-64815 赞2025/3/16
Historic Soda Sopa beside Kenny's house
就在肯尼家旁边那座历史悠久的Soda Sopa
guardian_rock80 赞2025/3/16
100% illegal, often on publicly owned land, but local governments and police understood that people were facing hardship and didn't mercilessly hound them down.
100%违建,通常还建在公有土地上。但当地政府和警察以前能体谅民众的生活不易,没把人往死里赶。
guardian_rock45 赞2025/3/16
Even today over 1 billion people around the world live in informal urban settlements. Imagine the humanitarian catastrophe with western-style criminalization of homelessness and informal shelter. At least they have a roof over their head and can live without being hounded down. [https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/goal-11/](https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/goal-11/) Heck, even in Tokyo most neighborhoods were built like a Hooverville, got improved over time by their residents, recognized by the city government and connected to water, electricity... This is what makes the city's unique charm and economic vitality in an otherwise stagnant country. [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61097667-emergent-tokyo](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61097667-emergent-tokyo) image [](blob:https://www.reddit.com/586404d9-c94a-4826-a091-0f38e4a6a3fa)
哪怕是在今天,全世界仍有超过 10 亿人住在非正式的城市定居点里。想象一下,如果用西方那种方式去把无家可归和非正式住所“刑事犯罪化”,那得是多大的一场人道主义灾难啊。至少他们还有个遮风挡雨的地方,能安生过日子,不用像过街老鼠一样被赶来赶去。 [https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/goal-11/](https://unstats.un.org/sdgs/report/2019/goal-11/) 见鬼,就算是在东京,大部分街区最早也是像“胡佛村”(贫民窟)那样建起来的,后来由居民自己慢慢修缮,最后被市政府认可,接通了水电……这正是这座城市在整个国家经济停滞的背景下,依然保持着独特魅力和经济活力的原因所在。 [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61097667-emergent-tokyo](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61097667-emergent-tokyo) image [](blob:https://www.reddit.com/586404d9-c94a-4826-a091-0f38e4a6a3fa)
guardian_rock53 赞2025/3/16
Governments were really tolerant of informal settlements back then, and are still today outside of western countries.
当年政府对非正式定居点确实相当宽容,在西方国家之外的地方,这种情况现在也依然存在。
VladimirBarakriss18 赞2025/3/16
This is not the case anywhere, they're left in place mostly because the government didn't have the resources to tear them down
这可不是到处都这样,政府放任不管大多是因为根本没钱没资源去拆除它们。
negative_imaginary15 赞2025/3/16
Is this true? because in India's case the government do have the resources to tear down this type of slums and they have done it brutally mind you but it is selective and doesn't have a cohesive precedent like what all I can assume is that some businessmen buys that land or ask for the government to "clean" it and then it happens but this just my assumption but other than that the authorities mostly ignore it and supply basic amenities like water, electricity and open gutters to this slums
这话当真?就拿印度来说,政府明明有资源去拆这种贫民窟,而且说实话,拆的时候手段还挺残暴的。但这事儿没啥定例,全看心情。我猜多半是有商人看中了地皮,让政府出面去“清理”一下才会动手。当然这只是我的猜测,除此之外,官方基本是睁一只眼闭一只眼,甚至还会给这些贫民窟通点水电,修修露天排水沟之类的基础设施。
bdh2067196 赞2025/3/16
Most Hoovervilles were in parks (Central Park in NyC, even) and near railyards. Not all that different from where you find encampments of unhoused people now.
以前大部分“胡佛村”都在公园里(连纽约中央公园都有),要么就在铁路货场边上。这跟现在那些流浪汉搭帐篷的地方也没啥区别。
ValkyroftheMall134 赞2025/3/16
Homeless. They're homeless people. Stop using sanitized corporate speak designed to make the concept of homelessness seem better than it is.
无家可归者。他们就是无家可归者。别再用那种为了美化现状、掩盖残酷现实的避重就轻的企业话术了。
Temporary-Whole330575 赞2025/3/16
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires
暂时落魄的百万富翁呗。
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TT-33-operator_30 赞2025/3/16
Urban campers
“城市露营者”。
clevercalamity84 赞2025/3/16
The rational about the phrase “unhoused” is to put responsibility on the community. The person is without housing. “Homeless” implies that the person is lacking a home and therefore responsible. I don’t necessarily have an opinion on this or necessarily agree or prefer one term over another, but the term unhoused came from Social Work and mutual aid work. It’s not corporate lingo.
用“无居者”(unhoused)这个词,背后的逻辑是想把责任推给社区——意思是这人目前没有房子住。 而“无家可归者”(homeless)这个词则暗示这个人是因为缺少一个“家”,所以责任在他自己身上。 我倒不是一定要支持哪种说法,也不觉得非得用哪个词不可,但“无居者”这个说法确实出自社会工作和互助工作领域,这可不是什么职场黑话。
phophofofo38 赞2025/3/16
Homeless just implies to me you don’t have a home which is just….true. Vagabond or drifter or hobo or something would imply it’s some sort of lifestyle choice. Do we have to say “unpennied” too or is penniless still okay.
在我看来,“无家可归”无非就是指你没有个家,这特么就是事实。 要是叫什么流浪汉、漂泊者、乞丐之类的,那才带有某种“生活方式选择”的意味呢。 那我们是不是还得改口叫“身无分文者”(unpennied)?还是说“没钱”(penniless)依然能用?
Frewseph163 赞2025/3/16
St. Louis had the largest Hooverville with its own self appointed mayor Gus Smith.
圣路易斯以前有过最大的胡佛村,甚至还有个自封的“市长”叫格斯·史密斯。
SimmentalTheCow154 赞2025/3/16
It’s still there, they just call it St. Louis now.
那地方还在呢,只不过现在改名叫圣路易斯了。
Frewseph39 赞2025/3/16
Now with less effective mayors.
而且现在的市长还没以前那位管用。
M1ster_Bumbl316 赞2025/3/16
DAAAAAAAAMMMMMN
卧——槽——!!!
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I know segregation was real strong during that time. Did African Americans have their own Hoovervilles?
我知道那个年代种族隔离挺严重的。那非裔美国人当时也有他们自己的“胡佛村”吗?
MOOshooooo101 赞2025/3/16
Can you imagine being in a mud pit and being worried about if someone with darker skin than you is in that same mud pit?
试想一下,大家都在泥坑里挣扎求生,结果还得操心身边的人肤色是不是比自己深,这得有多离谱?
Training_Cancel252642 赞2025/3/16
Crazy to think that even in the most extreme living environments people are still trying to separate themselves from one another
太疯狂了,即便在环境那么恶劣的情况下,人们还是在费尽心思搞隔离。
LowerEast740121 赞2025/3/16
well it didn't happen, hoovervilles were not segregated.
唔,其实没那回事,胡佛村并没有按种族划分。
no_crust_buster20 赞2025/3/16
Dedicated Black "hoovervilles," at this time, not really. Were they a part of these establishments in small numbers, yes. The new "hoovervilles" began to be exclusively Black (ghettos) following Urban Renewal programs (Double speak for "Black removal") and the highway act of 1956. But, that's a completely different story.
那会儿还真没什么专门的黑人“胡佛村”。他们倒是零星散落在这些聚居区里。后来随着“城市更新”(“拆除黑人区”的官话代名词)计划和1956年《联邦援助公路法》的推行,新的“胡佛村”才开始变成纯黑人区(贫民窟)。不过,那是另一码事了。
DishRelative585349 赞2025/3/16
Trumptown is coming.
“川普村”快来了。
pangea_lox58 赞2025/3/16
The most beautiful shacks you’ve ever seen. Thousands of them. It’s a beautiful thing, actually. They’re already thanking me.
你见过最漂亮的棚屋。成千上万个。说真的,这画面美极了。他们已经在感谢我了。
DishRelative585322 赞2025/3/16
They're going to love it. It's going to bring back jobs in those places. People are already talking about it.
他们会爱死这些棚屋的。这会给那些地方带回工作机会。人们都在议论这事儿呢。
Professional_Fee588320 赞2025/3/16
Many say to me ‘sir, we love these’. Can you believe it? They love it- Joe Biden never would’ve been able to do it. The crooked and illegal media say these are terrible places to live. But it’s so great. They’re really incredible. Perhaps the best housing program in history. We’ve built more houses than anyone. And they’re strong, so strong. Some say they’re stronger than the rundown skyscrapers in Manhattan but I don’t know. Manhattan never would’ve become so bad if they were all Trump buildings. People love their Trumptowns.
很多人跑来跟我说:“长官,我们爱死这些房子了。” 你敢信?他们超喜欢——换作乔·拜登,他根本干不出这事儿。那些腐败且非法的媒体非说这些地方没法住人。但它们棒极了,简直不可思议。这可能是历史上最伟大的住房计划。我们盖的房子比谁都多。而且它们很结实,非常结实。有人说它们比曼哈顿那些破破烂烂的摩天大楼还稳,我也不好说。如果曼哈顿全是川普盖的大楼,它根本不会沦落成现在这样。人们就是爱他们的“川普村”。
Automatic-Mountain4545 赞2025/3/16
People forget FDR went full marxist to save America and IT WORKED.
人们都忘了当年罗斯福为了拯救美国,可是把马克思主义那一套给用尽了,结果还真管用。
threecrowsamurder41 赞2025/3/16
In Grapes of Wrath, Steinbeck illustrates how the police would come and tell the "Hoovers" to clear out, then they'd burn the shacks down.
在《愤怒的葡萄》里,斯坦贝克描绘了警察怎么跑来命令那些住“胡佛村”的人滚蛋,然后一把火把他们的棚屋烧得精光。
LandscapeOld332521 赞2025/3/16
I was thinking, if this happened now the police would just throw out their tents and arrest the people (like they are currently doing), but now I see it's the same story, different era. For a supposedly "Christian" nation, we sure do hate the poor. It's despicable.
我就在想,要是这事儿搁现在,警察估计就是直接把他们的帐篷扔了,再把人抓起来(就像他们现在正在干的那样)。现在我明白了,剧本还是一样的剧本,只是换了个时代。口口声声说自己是“基督教”国家,可我们对穷人的恨意简直溢于言表。真够卑鄙的。
susannahstar200040 赞2025/3/16
Not so fun fact...everyone always says there was no work during the Depression. Actually there were jobs available but for women, who did take them. Men refused to do women's work, so didn't work.
一个不太好笑的事实……大家总说大萧条时期没工作。其实当时是有工作的,只不过大多是女性的工作,而且女人们确实也都干了。男人们打心眼里瞧不上这些“女人干的活”,所以宁可不干。
idiveindumpsters20 赞2025/3/16
That’s interesting. Does that explain why every picture I see of the bread lines is always all men? Also, what kind of jobs are we talking about?
有意思。那这能解释为什么我看到的那些排队领救济粮的照片里,清一色全是男的吗?还有,你说的到底是什么类型的工作啊?
Oddbeme4u29 赞2025/3/16
in a few years there will be Trumpviilles.
再过几年,遍地都是“川普村”了。
Roccosrealm25 赞2025/3/16
Ha years
哈,还得“过几年”呢。
UpstairsReading339124 赞2025/3/16
Is the third photo Central Park?
第三张照片是中央公园吗?
LittleWhiteBoots15 赞2025/3/16
Yes- I’ve seen this pic before. After a reservoir was drained, which is why it’s flat and treeless.
没错,这张图我以前见过。那是蓄水池被排干之后拍的,所以看起来光秃秃的,也没棵树。
_byetony_18 赞2025/3/16
Modern folks are so ready with vanlife and tiny homes
现在的年轻人倒是挺“超前”的,直接搞起房车生活和微型住宅了。
ashonee7516 赞2025/3/16
My grandfather was born in 1925. He told me a story about helping his father move a chicken coop to a piece of property in Windsor, Ontario so that a young family could move into it. He remembered it vividly. It was something he thought about every time he drove by that place. It affected his outlook on poverty and finances for the rest of his life.
我爷爷1925年出生的。他跟我讲过一件事,说他当时帮他爸把一个鸡窝搬到安大略省温莎市的一块地上,好让一家子年轻人住进去。他记得特别清楚,每次开车路过那儿,他都会想起这事儿。这件事影响了他一辈子对贫穷和金钱的看法。
guardian_rock9 赞2025/3/16
This is just fantastic! It's how countries all around the world have always dealt with homelessness: just let people build their own shack, and hopefully it becomes a proper informal neighborhood over time. Only western countries after 1945 have developed this obsession with criminalizing homelessness, criminalizing shelters, criminalizing living in your car and mercilessly hounding down people who cannot afford a home, while at the same time going the OCD way with building codes and zoning to make it impossibly expensive to build, rent or buy a home. Thus total homelessness was basically manufactured by laws, regulations and law enforcement. We have basically made it illegal to be poor.
这简直太棒了!这才是世界各地一直以来处理无家可归问题的方式:让人家自己盖个小棚子,指不定过段时间它就成了个像样的、虽然非正式但能住人的街区了。 也就是 1945 年以后的西方国家,才突然陷入了一种执念,非要把无家可归刑事犯罪化、把避难所刑事犯罪化、把住车里也刑事犯罪化。他们无情地驱赶那些买不起房的人,同时又在建筑规范和分区规划上搞这种强迫症式的限制,导致买房、租房或盖房的成本高到离谱。 所以说,整个无家可归现象基本就是这些法律、法规和执法行为给“制造”出来的。 我们本质上就是把“穷”这件事给搞成了非法行为。
RedditRobby239 赞2025/3/16
Isn’t this how people in other countries live regularly Arent they just called “favelas”
其他国家的人不一直都是这么生活的吗?
Ex-CultMember7 赞2025/3/16
Back before workers’ rights and the government working to support the poor and building up the middle class. We are reversing all that progress to go back to the Gilded Age, what Trump considerers “the best” era.
回想一下工人权益还没保障、政府还没开始扶贫、中产阶级还没崛起之前。
BodhingJay6 赞2025/3/16
When we play too much fallout 4 and God is like "this is really what we want? Okay.."
当我们《辐射4》玩得太多,上帝无奈道:“这真就是你们想要的?行吧……”
30yearCurse5 赞2025/3/16
elonville out in central texas, near his boring place... sure Zuk will build one.. then they will all make little hoovervilles.
埃隆镇(Elonville)快在德州中部建起来了,就在他那个“无聊公司”旁边…… 小扎肯定也会建一个……然后他们就会搞出一堆小“胡佛村”来。
beardofmice5 赞2025/3/16
Dogevilles!
“狗狗币村”!
Its_a_mad_world_4 赞2025/3/16
Most people on the west coast already have “Hoovervilles”. They’re just called encampments now. They’ll start with a few groups and continue to grow until they become a nuisance. The cops will come in and run them off. Then they pop up somewhere else and repeat. [google search for Washington state homeless encampments](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=6d728ade57108e4f&hl=en-us&q=washington+state+homeless+encampments&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_DnPN66xNYYiVBYF80MNa9-mD9FW2KvyJ7Ee6i9AfRy7R1eW7fYkhs9lmIjuzf1c814hZBiGsd-xVdQMnO74TAYLJAhYIGv5DZWk2prSDYpzr8sszhz84Ke34UXvtGMVqDsSZeZ-pCnCbJA9iMku2IJckgpo_imm8Y6-5lKdWtZbbm8o9a8RZj0j6pO8tufgnvfz1T2HYnSsrfpm4fK3KPvw0B6EO15cNADj7cYPlUxUXOLeKw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi80q7c3YyMAxXPM0QIHZhsK1UQtKgLegQIGRAB&biw=428&bih=743&dpr=3) It was becoming a big problem in Washington about the time we moved in 23. It was getting out of control trying to maintain a homeless population when all the red states, that receive money from the blue states, provide their homeless population with bus fare to WA and OR.
西海岸大部分地方其实早就有“胡佛村”了,只不过现在改名叫“露宿营地”罢了。它们通常先由几拨人开始,然后不断扩大,直到变成一种社会公害。接着警察就会进场把人赶走。没过多久,它们又会在别的地方冒出来,循环往复。 [谷歌搜索:华盛顿州无家可归者露宿营地](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=6d728ade57108e4f&hl=en-us&q=washington+state+homeless+encampments&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_DnPN66xNYYiVBYF80MNa9-mD9FW2KvyJ7Ee6i9AfRy7R1eW7fYkhs9lmIjuzf1c814hZBiGsd-xVdQMnO74TAYLJAhYIGv5DZWk2prSDYpzr8sszhz84Ke34UXvtGMVqDsSZeZ-pCnCbJA9iMku2IJckgpo_imm8Y6-5lKdWtZbbm8o9a8RZj0j6pO8tufgnvfz1T2HYnSsrfpm4fK3KPvw0B6EO15cNADj7cYPlUxUXOLeKw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi80q7c3YyMAxXPM0QIHZhsK1UQtKgLegQIGRAB&biw=428&bih=743&dpr=3) 我们 23 年搬来的时候,华盛顿州这块儿就已经是个大麻烦了。那些拿着蓝州拨款的红州,把自己境内的流浪汉塞上大巴送去华盛顿州和俄勒冈州,这哪管得过来啊,早就失控了。
Lucky22403 赞2025/3/16
We’re actually a head of schedule this cycle
我们这回进度还挺超前啊。
Vegetable_Orchid_4603 赞2025/3/16
LOL way off topic but .. Idk wtf is wrong with me, but the idea of living in a shack like some of those pictured or a "mini house" is so appealing to me. Out in the country though lol not in a shanty town. Obviously these people were struggling to get by and many likely had other mouths they needed to feed. I have no wife, no kids, so I often think about hitting the road and living in a big van, or buying a few acres of woodland for a cabin or a tiny modular home type thing.
哈哈,虽然完全跑题了,但是…… 我也不知道自己到底怎么了,但那种住在像照片里那样的小棚子或者“迷你屋”里的想法,对我来说简直太有吸引力了。当然是在乡下,哈哈,不是在贫民窟里。显然这些人当时是为了生存挣扎,而且很多还要养家糊口。 我既没老婆也没孩子,所以我经常在想,要不干脆就去流浪,住在那种大号房车里,或者买几亩林地盖个木屋,弄个那种模块化的小房子之类的。
GossamerGossiper3 赞2025/3/16
Next time they won’t allow Hoovervilles. They’ll just arrest people for being homeless
下次他们可不会让你建“胡佛村”了,只会直接以“无家可归罪”把你抓起来。
Comet_Empire3 赞2025/3/16
This isn't one step from....this IS homelessness. Those are shanty's built from garbage. They weren't paying rent. No home=homeless.
这哪是离……只有一步之遥啊,这直接就是流浪汉营地了。那些棚屋全是破烂搭起来的。他们又没交租,没房住不就是无家可归吗。
FrisoHalbertsma3 赞2025/3/16
Will they call the 2025 versions TrumpTowns?
到2025年,他们会管这些地儿叫“川普村”(TrumpTowns)吗?
MindFlayer152 赞2025/3/16
whats that giant building in the top right of the first pic?
第一张图右上角那个巨大的建筑是啥?
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