They're not forgotten. The issue is that most people primarily learn the history that directly affects them - history tied to their country, their people, and those who look like them. I’d guess you’re not East Asian? But they know. They remember. And I'd be willing to be just as many people in East Asia don't know who Mengele is. That’s just how history education works when it’s crammed into a few underfunded school hours a week. The best thing we can do is encourage curiosity and a desire to self learn beyond what’s taught in classrooms. And if we're talking about the Redditsphere... Oh well I dare not look how many posts there are about Unit 731...
Except Japan does not teach about it. The culprits of those crimes were neither punished nor forced to admit they were wrong. It's a big reason why Japan and the Koreas/China have standoffish relations.
The Emperor’s Naked Army Marches On is a documentary about a guy trying to get justice for a private who was killed and eaten by superior officers during famine He blames the emperor for engaging in a war without the ability to feed the soldiers, does street protests, tracks down suspected officers and interrogates/beats them up, ends up shooting one of the officers responsible for the cannibalism at the end
Yeah I am African. But we learn about atrocities in Africa and Asia and so so the Asians learn about us. Pretty mutual
是的,我是非洲人。但我们(在学校)会学非洲和亚洲发生的暴行,所以亚洲人也了解我们的历史。挺互通的。
BastardsCryinInnit35 赞2025/2/18
Yes and people in the west do learn about it too. So East Asians learn about it... you've learnt about it in Africa... westerners learn about it... So surely we can't say "it's largely forgotten"!
The crimes of Unit 731 were “forgotten” because the scientists who took part had valuable data on the effects of biological warfare experiments. The Cold War was intensifying and both sides wanted the research. Operation Paperclip that turned Nazis like Von Braun into well paid post war scientists and even heroes is a closer analogy.
Yeah, but the Americans didn't know this when they shielded the Japanese war criminals from trial. They thought they would get useful data and turns out it was all worthless.
They also don’t make Hollywood movies about what they did every few years
而且,他们也没像某些人那样,每隔几年就拍部好莱坞电影来卖惨。
WeightLossGinger36 赞2025/2/18
Wikipedia says there were "No documented survivors". All of the prisoners were killed to conceal evidence of what they were doing. Absolutely chilling - even the Holocaust had liberators and survivors!
Vivisections mainly on US airmen from planes shot down. No anesthesia for unnecessary surgeries by Japanese “doctors” Just about thee worst way one could die
And the US pardoned all the worst of Unit 731 for their research. To me, it’s one of the most disgusting things our country has ever done (which is saying a lot) The 731 leader died peacefully of old age in America.
Guess what happened to all the german scientists developing rockets and weapons.
猜猜后来那些研发火箭和武器的德国科学家都怎么样了?
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The Nazis even told the Japanese to chill with their experiments
甚至连纳粹都觉得日本人做得太过火了,劝他们收敛点。
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They had to exhume his skull in Brazil in order to confirm it it was him.
最后还是在巴西把他的头骨挖出来才确认了身份。
rockstarcrossing196 赞2025/2/18
He died an embarrassing death though he deserved worse.
虽然他死得够丢人的,但他罪有应得,本来应该死得更惨。
Simone_Galoppi07121 赞2025/2/18
How did he die? I wanna smile.
他怎么死的?我想乐呵乐呵。
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Had a stroke while swimming in Brazil.
在巴西游泳的时候中风了。
Simone_Galoppi07235 赞2025/2/18
Less pathetic than i thought, i hope he felt his lungs filling with water before passing out <3
比我预想的死法还不那么窝囊,希望他在昏迷前能感觉到肺里灌满水的滋味 <3
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He did
他确实感觉到了。
Simone_Galoppi0762 赞2025/2/18
Nice
干得漂亮。
Ktan_Dantaktee31 赞2025/2/18
If you want a better one, give a glance through Reinhard Heydrich’s life and death
如果想看更精彩的,去瞅瞅莱因哈德·海德里希的一生和死法吧。
Rhbgrb30 赞2025/2/18
That's not embarrassing
那可不算丢人。
Tapprunner35 赞2025/2/18
"hey guys, check out what a good swimmer I am. I can do all sorts of strokes."
“嘿伙计们,看看我这游泳技术多牛,什么姿势我都会。”
werewere-kokako15 赞2025/2/18
No, but drowning *is* excruciatingly painful
不,但溺水*确实*是极其痛苦的。
sweetcinnamonpunch24 赞2025/2/18
Not painful and also not as bad as slowly rotting away in some shitty bed.
不痛苦,而且总比在什么烂床上慢慢腐烂强。
rockstarcrossing21 赞2025/2/18
The son of a bitch died of a stroke while swimming.
这王八蛋游泳时中风挂了。
Iamgoingtojudgeyou29 赞2025/2/18
It wasn't a breathstroke
游的肯定不是蛙泳。
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The truly embarrassing thing is that like so many nazis that committed and supported atrocities at the highest level, we the people did nothing and he led a good life in south america surrounded by other fascist and nazi friends until that accident in old age
And here we are. They are alll comin back out. All the babies born to them since.
结果现在好了,他们全都又冒出来了。还有他们之后生的一窝子后代。
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I never believed in karma, seen too many good people lead miserable lives and bad people lead blessed ones and dying peacefully, our system supports that way of things intrinsically so it's no wonder the psychos fair better. But I'm starting to think what is coming, this global fascism and new world order, this is our collective karma for not doing anything about it. Not then, and also not while the west oppressed and exploited the global south. There's a sentence going around right now that goes something like "fascism is imperialism coming home" and it's true. The sad truth is most people operate on a "fuck you got mine" preposition, it's what we're taught to do after all, and now since most of us aren't part of the capitalist class that is mostly isolated from all these atrocities and actually end up proffiting from it we're all going to really find out.
Notice how all the guys on the side of "genetic purity" look intensely inbred?
有没发现那些张口闭口“基因纯净”的家伙,一个个长得都跟近亲繁殖似的?
barnfodder128 赞2025/2/18
Which is really weird, because a ton of holocaust survivors recount mengele as being tall, blond, and handsome. It's some kind of collective trauma response.
说来也怪,明明一大堆大屠杀幸存者在回忆录里都说门格勒又高又帅,是个金发碧眼的帅哥。
Yochanan578164 赞2025/2/18
Memory is a weird thing, and trauma complicates it so much. Probably years of propaganda of the perfect Aryan combined with the name most associated with Nazi race science, in combination with one of the most traumatic sites in human history I remember there was some joke even when the Nazis were in power within Germany about how they wish they had the various Aryan attributes of Nazi leadership, like the slim figure of Göring and the height of Hitler, and so on
Either that or a well-fed guy not used as slave labor comes across better appearance-wise when he’s surrounded by holocaust victims. I hope this guy and his cronies are burning in hell
very interesting. I should think though that being in the presence of someone with a terrifying level of authority and a known penchant for cruelty when you are yourself powerless and malnourished would skew your perception of said figure making them seem larger than life.
JFK and Jaqueline were considered the most beautiful couple in their time, but when you look at them now, they are low key ugly.
肯尼迪和杰奎琳在当年被公认是颜值最高的一对,但现在回过头看,他们其实挺一般的,甚至可以说有点丑。
maxwellorwell20 赞2025/2/18
100%…you’re totally right…just breeding within their own groups to keep things “pure”. But it’s more like a bad copy, of a copy, of a copy. Diversity leads to diverse genetics, while inbreeding leads to stagnation, mutation, and deformation. Just look at the Hapsburgs…or try not to (yikes, that jaw).
One of the biggest tragedies is the world is this cunt got away and died a free man
这世上最大的悲剧之一,就是这个混蛋居然逃之夭夭,最后还以自由之身寿终正寝。
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No it’s the 6 million that died in gas chambers
不,最大的悲剧是那600万死在毒气室里的人。
KeyApplication221108 赞2025/2/18
He died in Bertioga, Sao Paulo Brazil. I used to spend vacation at the beach he died.
他死在巴西圣保罗的贝尔蒂奥加。我以前常去他去世的那个海滩度假。
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Who knows? you might have set up your beach towel on the spot where he set up his.
谁知道呢?说不定你铺沙滩巾的地方,正好就是他当年铺过的地方。
MOOshooooo30 赞2025/2/18
A dinosaur might have pissed on the stone in the aggregate in the concrete you walk on.
恐龙可能还在你脚下踩的那块混凝土的碎石上撒过尿呢。
jollanza96 赞2025/2/18
he is why I don't believe in karma.
他就是我不相信因果报应的原因。
Oliv11216 赞2025/2/18
You think he escaped Samsara?
你以为他逃脱了轮回?
jollanza16 赞2025/2/18
I don't believe in Samsara, so he couldn't escape from something that doesn't exist.
我根本不信什么轮回,他不可能逃脱一个压根儿就不存在的东西。
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Supposedly died in South America. VERY evil man.
据说死在南美了。真是个彻头彻尾的大恶人。
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Not supposedly, it's proven. His family even sent him money.
不是据说,是已经证实了。他家里人甚至还给他寄过钱。
Livid_Illustrator_1446 赞2025/2/18
His son once asked him why did you kill all those people. He got angry and responded, you also believe those lies. Good that his son grew up to have some morals unlike his evil dad. Saw a documentary about Mengele once and learned this from there.
This guys such a piece of shit. Really evil. Doesn’t get talked about much.
这家伙简直就是个人渣,坏透了。不过关于他的讨论确实不多。
rockstarcrossing48 赞2025/2/18
Probably because what he did was so utterly disturbing. The Holocaust itself was rarely openly discussed until the 1970s because it was such a bloody page of human history.
He was usually behind the front doing experiments towards victims which probably explains why he wasn't called out too much compare to his boss and some of the lackeys in higher positions.
I read his doctorate thesis. Not only was it complete rubbish, it was also the bare minimum effort possible at the time and one of many on the same topic.
I think he was completely incompetent and used the opportunity to appear as if he was capable of doing scientific work. That explains why his experiments were not only needlessly cruel but also completely useless.
I agree. Most of these advancements would probably have been gained through non-fatal trials with volunteers and experience from real life incidents. It's not like they were breakthroughs either.
It's totally false. There were zero scientific advancements because of Nazi medical experiments. The research was so poorly done without proper control groups. Even ignoring the cruelty and evil that went into it, it was plain and simple bad science.
I knew a girl who had a grandmother that was an Auschwitz survivor. This grandmother was in a bakerstore in Brazil buying some bread in 1950. She recognized Mengele beside her and started peeing on her pants.
One Auschwitz survivor living in Brazil was with her family and knew about Mengele living in a city Far from there. She had a panic attack because she was in a group used as experiment and met Mengele there. They had to enter on a tank with boiling water, stay submerged for some time then go out and enter on a freezing water tank. Mengele pulled his gun and pressed her head down in the water otherwise she would be killed there. She suffered a lot. Think about the possibility of meeting him again gave her panic attack for days.
As an atheist, I hope hell exists so he can suffer more and forever
我是个无神论者,但真希望有地狱存在,这样他就能永永远远地在那儿受苦了。
HetaGarden123 赞2025/2/18
The more you learn about him, the worse it gets.
你越深入了解他,就越觉得他这人烂透了。
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Disgusting vile human being. I don’t call him a monster because doing so IMO removes the fact that a human decided to do those horrible things to other innocent humans.
Never saw that photo of him with his coat, but it is known from the prisoners, that he had a white uniform (not a doctors coat) with white gloves and a white hat when he selected prisoners on the ramp. That was why they called him "Angel of Death", as he looked very different in this clothes than the prisoners and the SS men. But i'm not sure if there is a photo around, there are some others where he has the regular SS uniform, [like this one here.](/800px-Richard_Baer%2C_Josef_Mengele%2C_Rudolf_Hoess%2C_Auschwitz._Album_H%C3%B6cker.jpg) This photo was found in a photo album from a former SS-guard from Auschwitz, this photo was taken on a party when the SS men had some time off and drank together.
After his remains were identified, no one wanted to claim them so his bones sat in a bag on a shelf in Sao Paulo. Now one of the doctors involved in identifying the remains uses them in his classes at the legal medicine department at the University of Sao Paulo to see if students can identify what caused his various injuries And while his students are handling the remains of one of the most evil people who ever lived, they get a very sobering reminder on the importance of medical ethics
Died on a beach while swimming in the ocean and living his best life.
在海里游泳的时候挂了,死在了海滩上,临死前还享受了一把。
eccomercepadawan15 赞2025/2/18
Auschwitz, the meaning of Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The way that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in; like cattle, you run
Stripped of your life's worth
Human mice for the angel of death
Four hundred thousand more to die Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood
Destroying without mercy
To benefit the Aryan race
Surgery with no anesthesia
Feel the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down, screaming out to die Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher
Angel of death Pumped with fluid inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins
Pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh drips away
Test of heat burns your skin
Your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen-water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'Til you rip yourselves apart Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The Holocaust Seas of blood bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide-awake nightmare
Wings of pain reach out for you
His face of death staring down
Your blood's running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating Pathetic, harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid angel of death
Flying free Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher
Angel of death
Angel of death
This asshole made Bundy look tame by comparison and that's saying a lot. Mengele was the epitome of evil, and one of the reasons the Israeli Mossad was formed.
The reason the song Angel of Death by Slayer exists. It’s about this guy.
Slayer 乐队那首《死亡天使》就是这么来的,写的全是这家伙的事儿。
katsumodo476 赞2025/2/18
Unit 731 did bad and worse but they were hired by the Americans after the jap surrender. Literally everything we know about frostbite is from until 731 torturing people and sellung the research to the yanks