From LIFE magazine (1970s): 'Ali had been married before, to cocktail waitress Sonji Roy, from 1964 to 1966. She was unwilling to succumb to the background role required by Ali’s faith, according to LIFE magazine. After his divorce from Roy, Ali was quoted saying that his next wife would be a young woman around 17 or 18… “one that I can raise to my own way of thinking”.' He then married 17 y.o. Belinda.
He didn’t even need to groom her, it was an arranged marriage. Her parents just gave her to him.
他甚至都不用去“诱导”人家,这就是桩包办婚姻。她父母直接就把她送给他了。
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Wow thanks we all really needed that
哇,谢了,我们大家真的都很需要看这个呢。(阴阳怪气)
Anbaric_electron032 赞2024/9/23
Muhammad Ali was black?!
穆罕默德·阿里是个黑人?!
C__Wayne__G46 赞2024/9/22
I mean he didn’t even groom her he was just a child rapist at that point
我的意思是,他何止是诱奸,在那时候他这就是个强奸幼女的货色。
AndreasDasos26 赞2024/9/23
We have to be careful with words. It’s creepy af to me, but she was above the age of consent there back then. (If I have this right, this was Illinois, and it was 16 then, 17 now… and this is assuming they had sex when she was 16.)
I hope everyone in here saying "it was a different time" sees your comment and considers that he spoke these intentions aloud. Definitely a different time. Maybe it was different for your grandparents, maybe they really loved each other, but this was gross.
It was a different time. That time being the 7th century.
确实是“时代不同”。只不过那个时代指的是公元7世纪。
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It's called 'Islam'
这叫“伊斯兰教”。
palm0151 赞2024/9/22
I mean. No it isn't Islam. It's all abrahamic religions, they're all weird as hell about women. It just depends on the extent that their members conform to scripture.
Was gonna say. Jerry lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin and I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Muslim.
我正想说呢。杰瑞·李·刘易斯(Jerry Lee Lewis)娶了他14岁的表妹,我敢肯定他压根儿不是穆斯林。
palm088 赞2024/9/22
Myra Brown was actually 13. Priscilla was 14 when 24 year old Elvis ~~married her~~ started dating her Mildred Harris was 17 when she married 29 year old Charlie Chaplin. Lita Grey was 16 when she married a 35 year old Chaplin, Oona O'Neill was 18 when she married 54 year old Chaplin. It's almost like it's a pervasive issue that some bigots try to make about a specific religion when it's really just a fucked up cultural norm of the past. Hell, Clueless is about a 15 year old eventually falling in love with and dating her father's 19 year old employee. Like that was normal and okay.
A loooot of people in this thread are giving him a pass. In other threads other celebrities have been roasted for similar situations. Add to this his original take on interracial relationships (steadfast against it) and normally he wouldn't be so well remembered. Then his famous charm and equally famous quote about the Viet Cong, and people immediately dismiss criticisms.
According to Wikipedia, Ali then cheated on Belinda with *another* 16 year old. >At age 32 in 1974, Ali began an extramarital relationship with 16-year-old Wanda Bolton (who subsequently changed her name to Aaisha Ali) with whom he fathered another daughter, Khaliah (born June 1974). Welp.
根据维基百科,阿里后来又背着贝琳达(Belinda),跟*另一个* 16 岁的小姑娘搞上了。
Many-Birthday1234543 赞2024/9/22
Reminds me of the aunties in my culture that don’t consider women over 24 as marriage material. They want 22 year old girls for their 37 year old sons, they say they plan to live with their sons and guide the wife to be the right kind of wife…even now people are kind of done with their crap because so many of those sons are single.
This is a perfect rorschach test. A lot of people are veeerry uncomfortable to admit how cultural their deeply held beliefs are, had you been alive at the time, you would've thought this was perfectly normal
Yup. My boomer parents were about the same ages when they met, and 10yr gaps were common among my friends' parents.
没错。我爸妈那辈人认识的时候差不多也是这年纪,我朋友爸妈差个十来岁都很常见。
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My grandparents were 13 years apart and met when my grandma was 14, married when she was 17.
我祖父母差了 13 岁,我奶奶 14 岁时认识的我爷爷,17 岁就嫁给他了。
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She married a 4 year old?!
她嫁给了一个 4 岁的孩子?!
SeonaidMacSaicais16 赞2024/9/22
Gotta make sure those boys are raised right!
可不得好好确保那些男孩被“调教”得当嘛!
westedmontonballs28 赞2024/9/22
10 yr gaps aren’t the issue lol
重点又不是差 10 岁,笑死。
thelocalghost15 赞2024/9/22
I had to bring this up to my Mom who was a huge Elvis fan. She definitely does not support older men preying on young women, but when I brought Elvis and Priscilla up it took her a moment to rethink it all.
My grandmother was a West Virginia hills woman who was born in '22. She only went up to the 8th grade, used an outhouse until the county ran a water line through her area when I was in middle school, and chewed tobacco. She married my 25 yr old grandfather when she was 16. Country superstar Loretta Lynn was married at 15 I think. I believe Dolly Parton married a guy in his 20's when she was a teen. The popular tv series Little House on the Prairie, a show beloved for it's "simpler times" family wholesomeness, had no issues depicting such relationships. One of the main daughters married a man who was 25 in the show. In defense of accusations that former Alabama Supreme Court Judge Roy Moore use to prey upon teens at a local mall when he was 30, his supporters pointed out that's "just the way it was back then" and even proclaimed that Mary was only 14 when she had Jesus. And while I can write this off as history, there's more than I care to admit men who still think these kinds of relationships are okay today. I mean, a hundred yrs ago, times were different w/ different standards whether we agree or not. And not only in terms of these kinds of relationships but even the nature of the relationships themselves. Like men were expect to "control" their wives. Domestic violence was viewed as a "family" issue and it was "rude" to intervene. That's within my lifetime even. I was born in the early 70's and learned from one neighbor how regretful he was for stopping his dad from calling the police on mine after watching him whipping the shit outta me or my brother in the front yard when we were little. After the divorce when I was in the Navy, Mom told him stories that shocked him and filled him with regret for doing that. Or how another neighbor told my brother, after we grew up, how much he and his wife hated hearing mine and/or my brother's screams coming outta our house growing up but there was nothing they could do. Or the time when I was 12ish that I ran away when my dad was beating me with his fists. I bolted out the door and kept running. When the state police found me, I told them what happened and I was scared to go home. Dad thanked them after dropping me off. Back then, that was the norm. Today, my dad would be in jail. We've progressed since then. On relationships, domestic violence, and other issues. We know why they are wrong these days.
我祖母是西弗吉尼亚山区的一个女人,出生于1922年。她只读到八年级,一直用的是户外旱厕,直到我上初中时县里才给她们那儿接通自来水,她平时还嚼烟草。她16岁时就嫁给了当时25岁的我祖父。
乡村音乐巨星洛丽泰·琳恩(Loretta Lynn)好像是15岁结婚的。我还记得多莉·帕顿(Dolly Parton)十几岁时就嫁给了一个20多岁的男人。
流行美剧《草原小屋》(Little House on the Prairie)是一部因其展现“纯真年代”家庭温情而深受喜爱的剧集,但它描写这种关系时毫无压力。剧里其中一个女儿就嫁给了一个25岁的男人。
为了替前阿拉巴马州最高法院法官罗伊·摩尔(Roy Moore)辩解——他被指控30岁时曾在当地商场诱拐未成年少女——他的支持者指出“当时就是那样”,甚至宣称玛利亚怀耶稣时也才14岁。
虽然我可以把这些当成历史来看,但我不得不承认,即便在今天,仍有不少男人觉得这种关系没问题。我是说,一百年前,时代不同,标准也不同,不管我们赞不赞同。这不仅仅是指这种男女关系,还包括了人际关系本身的性质。
比如过去男人被认为应该“管教”自己的妻子。家庭暴力曾被视为“家务事”,干预它被认为是“没礼貌”。这甚至都在我这一辈人的经历里。我出生于70年代初,我的一位邻居曾告诉我,他非常后悔当初阻止他父亲报警。当时我父亲在院子里把我或我弟往死里打,那位邻居本来想报警的。离婚后,等我去了海军,我妈告诉了他一些往事,震惊之余让他充满了悔意。
又或者,有位邻居在我兄弟成年后告诉他,他和妻子当年是多么厌恶听到我和我弟在屋子里发出的惨叫声,但他们当时一点办法也没有。
又或者我12岁那年,我爸握着拳头揍我,我逃跑了。我冲出门一直跑。州警发现我后,我告诉了他们经过,说我不敢回家。结果父亲把接我回家后,还对警察表示了“感谢”。在那个年代,这才是常态。要是搁今天,我爸早进监狱了。
自那以后我们进步了。在两性关系、家庭暴力和其他问题上都是。我们现在很清楚为什么这些行为是错的。
Bean_Boozled15 赞2024/9/22
Most cultures of the world today still see this as perfectly normal, especially in Africa and the Middle East.
今天世界上大多数文化仍然觉得这完全正常,特别是非洲和中东。
Kyle_Reese_Get_DOWN301 赞2024/9/22
If he did that today, he’d be on the sex offender database.
如果他今天做那种事,他就会被列入性犯罪者数据库。
Frylock30488 赞2024/9/22
Depends on the state, if it's new york state he'd be fine, if it's California he'd be cooked
得看哪个州,如果是纽约州他就没事,如果是加州他就完蛋了。
Lizmo8215 赞2024/9/22
Frylock... Aww .
I miss ATHF so much.. Guess I gotta watch some now!!
Frylock... 啊。我太想念《水形战士》了… 看来我得现在去看几集了!!
Fit-Persimmon-432316 赞2024/9/22
Most likely not. The majority of states have an age of consent of 16
估计不会。大多数州的合法性交年龄是16岁。
JimJohnman252 赞2024/9/22
I was just thinking about the age gap here not being so crazy for the time, then I remembered I'm 24 and the concept of dating a 16 year old girl... Yick.
Ali is easily one of the greatest boxers of all time, so much that even today pretty much everyone knows his name. Nobody talks about Ali the man. Used to be best buddies with Malcolm X, eventually Ali got too extreme for X with stuff like defending child molesters, and helped lay the way to X's assassination. Cassius Clay the politician he was named after was an extremely vocal defender of black rights even when it caused fights to a point where he installed actual cannons in his home for self defense--denounced the name Cassius Clay and called it a "slave name." Sometimes, just sometimes, you can be so amazing at something that the world forgets all the awful things you say and do.
Only if you're man. I've never heard of a people forgetting the terrible shit a woman has done and making her a paragon. Well, except Oprah. She bends the knee and uses her power against women, so it's not surprising she gets to keep it.
只有男人才行。我从没听说过人们会忘记一个女人做过的烂事,然后把她塑造成典范。
Main-Vacation2007156 赞2024/9/22
Here come the excuses.........
瞧,又来找借口了………
profuselystrangeII176 赞2024/9/22
I just looked it up, and they first met when she was 10, which would’ve meant he was… 18 at the time? Oh and when he was 32 he cheated on her with a 16 year old, whom he had a child with and married while still with Belinda. So uh
I’ve started to feel like it’s probably best to assume any public figure has some skeleton in their closet, or some belief I find abhorrent, and I just haven’t learned of it yet. Of course, there’s exceptions to that, and some people are completely innocent, but I believe in preparing for the worst.
Oh how fun, he cheated. What a great man. What is wrong with people?
哟,真有意思,又出轨了。真是个“好男人”呢。这些人到底是有什么毛病?
MorrighanAnCailleach71 赞2024/9/22
Yep. I don't give Elvis a pass either. Nasty is nasty.
没错。我对猫王也一样不买账。恶心就是恶心。
stewie_glick79 赞2024/9/22
When my parents married, my mom was 21 and my dad was 17. The year was 1954. They were married til my mom passed in 1994.
我爸妈结婚那会儿,我妈21岁,我爸17岁。那是1954年的事了。他们一直相守到1994年我妈去世。
Twistedcinna62 赞2024/9/22
4 years is not the same as 8 years.
4岁(的差距)可不等于8岁。
Starkydowns15 赞2024/9/22
Can someone confirm?
有人能核实一下吗?
MentionImpossible18754 赞2024/9/22
“Different times” is a weird way to spell women’s oppression and abuse. For decades…. Centuries, “it was different times” doesn’t take away the disgust felt due to “relationships” forced on young girls to be sold off to the highest bidder with the best assets by their parents. Women matter we just didn’t have rights at all until recently and still fighting for them now. Maybe one day the light will fall on all this the correct way and show what it really was. Young women and girls were forced to relate to men especially wealthy men to help the whole family and make them look good. Young women and girls were taught their only function was to be a good wife to a man, no matter the treatment or age. “Different times” was women and young girls not even being looked at as human, just another accessory to add to the successes of a man.
I've seen the justification of war rapes and sexual slavery on the subreddit of a specific religion here. I honestly doubt these people have any humanity left after years of brainwashing by that cult.
The amount of ‘things were different back then’ comments 🤢it’s almost like it doesn’t make it any less disgusting just because it was so common ‘back then’
My mom was born in 1954. My dad was born in 1929. They met when she was 24 and he was 48. His second wife introduced them. My mom was his 3rd wife and he almost killed her a few times. This was also in the USSR. They divorced in 93 and my mom fled to the U.S. with me in 94. The times were different, sure. But the abuse? That shit was even worse. These age gap relationships are almost never good for the woman.
It was a different time. Kids were married while still in high school or right after graduation. They had life skills and could hold real jobs. Numbers wise, that age gap when they married still makes me uneasy.
Wasn’t this around the same time as the picture of him with the 6 year old girl thathe married after this one?
这事儿难道不是跟他后来娶的那个6岁小女孩的照片发生在大致同一个时期吗?
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alamarain14 赞2024/9/22
Didn't know Muhammed Ali was a peadophile.. oh well
居然不知道阿里还是个恋童癖……得,行吧。
HerculeMuscles13 赞2024/9/22
Groomer!
恋童癖!
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lovedrspock9 赞2024/9/22
Give me a break on the "outrage", people. Sheesh. I thought "women mature faster than men"... blah blah blah. This is old news and old customs. I grew up in the 90s and I vividly remember plenty of high school girls sporting college guy jackets and riding around in the cars of 20+ yr old as pre-18 girls. Women have always preferred (much) older men AND Ali MARRIED her not just lusted for her - #context
Took the name of a famous pedophile and quickly followed suit himself.
顶着个著名恋童癖的名字,结果自己也紧随其后。
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She was raised Muslim by her parents who were in the Nation of Islam and went to Muslim schools. The marriage was arranged by her parents. Happens in a lot of Abrahamic religions. So, it's really a religious issue since it still happens today. And, she's voting for Trump. So, it's really hard to summon sympathies for someone that wants a candidate that wants the same things to happen to other women.
她父母是“伊斯兰国度”(Nation of Islam)成员,从小按穆斯林方式抚养她,送她去的也是穆斯林学校。这桩婚姻是她父母包办的。在很多亚伯拉罕诸教里这很常见。所以,这本质上是个宗教问题,毕竟这种事现在还在发生。