How do we return to the age of countries gifting each other giant statues?
我们到底要怎么做,才能回到那种各国互赠巨型雕像的年代啊?
Astramancer_730 赞2023/1/2
Be the change you want to see! Build a giant statue and give it to another country.
想看这种事发生,你自己先带头啊!去造一座巨型雕像,然后把它送给另一个国家。
flimbs157 赞2023/1/3
Some might mistake it for a Kaiju attack and declare war.
指不定有人会把它误认成怪兽袭击,直接就宣战了。
catsmustdie57 赞2023/1/3
If Godzilla showed up to fight the gift it would be totally worth it.
要是哥斯拉真跑出来打这个大礼包,那绝对值回票价了。
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If this was a japanese movie it would be called something normal, but then we fuck it up and mistranslate it as: “Godzilla vs America” or some shit like that
And pack it full of soldiers like the proverbial *Trojan Horse*
而且还得往里头塞满大兵,就像传说中的“特洛伊木马”一样。
Caje_197 赞2023/1/2
In the category of be careful what you wish for, Russia actually gifted us a 10 story tall monument in 2005/06 as a 9/11 memorial, To the Struggle Against World Terrorism, with Putin even coming here to dedicate. I’ve gone on cruises out of Bayonne, New Jersey and recall the first time looking out from the ship to see what looks like a giant metal testicle (supposed to be a teardrop) hanging inside of a ragged vagina, and briefly thought to myself, how have i never heard of or seen this, which only lasted a second or two given how hideous it is.
Here’s an illustration of the color changes that occurred over time
这里有一张图,展示了随时间推移颜色发生的变化:
Material-Cook-945819 赞2023/1/3
Copper oxides forming initially, and then hydroxides.
起初形成的是氧化铜,接着变成了氢氧化物。
Totallynotdub96 赞2023/1/2
Good photos. Those girls fondling the nose... It's terrifyingly large, there's a word for how I'd feel stood in front of that face copy I just cannot remember she scared me that much
My best friend came to visit me and we took pictures with the face. I can confirm the nose is very well polished 😄 we also visited the Wall Street bull on the same trip and its testicles are very shiny compared to the rest of the statue.
You put it in the harbor, of course. Americans were cool with it, the island and pedestal were paid for by donations from American citizens.
那肯定得把它放港口里啊。
美国人对此倒是挺乐呵的,毕竟那座岛和底座都是靠美国公民捐款建起来的。
wjbc510 赞2023/1/2
It took a while. Fundraising in the U.S. stalled until Joseph Pulitzer urged the American public to donate money towards the pedestal in his newspaper the *New York World*. Then it took about six months to reach the goal. Most donations were $1 or less, but Pulitzer published every name, including many touching stories about the ordinary people who contributed during the campaign. It was good for his paper’s circulation. There were about 125,000 total contributions. Edit: Pulitzer (and his rival publisher William Randolph Hearst) also may have been responsible for the Spanish-American War. If not for the award he founded, Pulitzer would either be forgotten or remembered as an irresponsible "yellow" journalist who often published fabricated or unreliable stories, which is how Hearst is remembered, when he is remembered at all. It was called yellow journalism because of the popularity of the comic *The Yellow Kid*, which first appeared in Pulitzer's *New York World* and later Hearst's *New York Journal*. But it was intended as a disparaging term. It's ironic that the name "Pulitzer" is now associated with the most respected journalism in the country, and that reporters at the New York Times and Washington Post are honored to receive the Pulitzer Prize. It would be like if a hundred years from now the Pulitzer Prize was replaced by the Rupert Murdoch Prize or the Roger Ailes Prize.
1 dollar in 1886 is $30 in 2023, so people weren't just throwing pocket change at it
1886年的1美元相当于2023年的30美元,所以人们当时捐的钱可不只是随便打发点零钱。
wjbc176 赞2023/1/2
I mean, they were, but pocket change was worth much more then than it is now.
我的意思是,他们确实给过,但当年的零花钱可比现在值钱多了。
Alex217970 赞2023/1/2
It's one Statue, what could it cost 10 dollars?
不就是个雕像吗,能花多少钱,10块?
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johnniewelker20 赞2023/1/3
That number doesn’t seem right. It’s $30 if looking back at 1913; which is the oldest year in the BLS website calculator https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm If we use the same implied inflation rate of 3.2%, $1 in 1886 was worth $75 in today’s money
I visited the statue and the surrounding exhibits last October. The exhibit mentioned that overall people were pretty much in favor of receiving the statue as a gift. The only issue was paying for transport and the pedestal, they had to resort to a fundraiser headed by Joseph Pullitzer as local, state, or federal governments voted down any initiative to use public funds. France raised about $250k for the statue itself and American citizens raised $300k for transport and the pedestal.
Grateful. Placed next to Ellis Island, where the majority of European immigrants had arrived. Most of us learn about it in elementary school and see it as a beautiful gift with huge symbolism.
IDK I mean a clear coat copper look would be kind cool.
不知道诶,我是觉得那种透明涂层下透出铜色的质感应该会挺酷的。
hackingdreams106 赞2023/1/2
I'm not sure they had a mechanism for doing that in the 1870s. They had varnishes and lacquers, but they'd have to have stripped and replaced those every few decades for them not to have yellowed extremely until acrylics came along. That kind of UV exposure would have been absolute hell on the coatings. Besides, she's way better in green IMO. (Though if they were going to change anything now, I might leave the fire on the torch coppery. That might be neat to see.) At least they didn't paint her red white and blue...
Since 1986 when they renovated/replaced. I remember how cool that was as a kid
自从 1986 年他们翻新/更换之后。我还记得那时候作为一个小孩,觉得这玩意儿酷毙了。
MagicCuboid49 赞2023/1/2
There is sooo much green, oxidized copper in Paris. It's all over the place! I imagine it was just the style of the time.
巴黎到处都是那种绿油油的氧化铜,真的超级多!满大街都是!我猜那应该就是当时的流行风格吧。
Orcwin27 赞2023/1/2
I don't know why you were getting downvoted, you're right. A lot of roofing there was in the form of copper plating, and that was indeed a stylistic choice. They had plenty of experience with it, so they knew what they were doing.
> 1870s before color photography was ~~possible~~ common. FTFY. All you needed was a color filter to have colored photography, but we didn't have colored emulsions so developing true colored photos would take a few years longer. Maxwell (of the Maxwell equations fame) described a method for color photography in 1855, and just a few years later the first color pictures were taken using the mechanism as described.
Isn't it crazy that they sent us this after bankrolling the revolutionary war as a gift? Crazy.
他们在资助了我们的独立战争之后,又把这玩意儿当礼物送过来,这不离谱吗?太离谱了。
MagicCuboid107 赞2023/1/2
Very different contexts though. The French monarchy who helped us in the Revolutionary war was a different government from the one which gifted us the statue. Originally, King Louis supported the revolution as a means to undermine Britain and protect their colonies. The US was just one theater in a [global conflict](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/american-revolution-was-just-one-battlefront-huge-world-war-180969444/) between Britain, France, Spain, and the Netherlands. King Louis primarily saw helping the Americans as a means to restore faith in French power and therefore in the crown. Louis wasn't successful. A hundred years later, *The French Third Republic* dedicated the Statue of Liberty to us as a show of alliance between two major republics in a world swimming in monarchy.
Yeah for sure, your analysis is on point. In fact the proxy war was part of what led to the third Republic so it could almost be seen as a "thank you" for bankrupting the monarchy and precipitating the revolution.
Big countries do a lot to destabilize their enemies. France and Britain went to war in the Americas multiple times Don’t be surprised if you see a big statue in Kiev in five years.
Idk how I'd move and assemble it now even. How did they do it back then?
我甚至不知道现在该怎么去挪动并组装这玩意儿。那时候的人到底是怎么做到的?
LimeSugar13 赞2023/1/2
'Lady Liberty' is a French immigrant.
“自由女神像”其实是个法国移民。
30thCenturyMan13 赞2023/1/2
I feel like it wouldn’t take much to turn modern Christian conservatives against the statue. - Based on a Pagan goddess
- Created to celebrate abolition - Welcomes foreigners into America
Remember when France bravely didn't follow the US and UK into an illegal war and got absolutely lambasted by American media for it? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Ah, Lady Liberty of America.. first of her name, breaker of chains, mother of freedom.
啊,美国的自由女神……她是同名者中的第一位,锁链的粉碎者,自由之母。
NJ_Mets_Fan6 赞2023/1/3
Fun fact, the statue of liberty sits in NJ borders. The statue is owned by the feds. Old liberty island is owned by New York despite being inside NJ, and the addition to liberty island is owned by New Jersey, which were made with the soil dug up for the Lincoln and Holland tunnels under the Hudson river